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"we have no choice but to follow Reddits guidelines"
There's another choice, but that would require you to look past reddit.
- We will tolerate these beatings because we are still in love with the assaulter.
  
  Oof.... Yeah I mean.. yeah. That's a pretty apt description of how the world is where it is now.
  
  No, actually because they're hoping the assaulter will pass the bat once they get tired
- Hidden Donuts, why are you hiding?
  
  I am? Or am I missing a joke here? Wouldn't be the first time
- Didn't lemmy.World admins also have an issue pinned earlier?
  
  Yeah we’re not allowed to discuss jury nullification.
- Not that the mods are aware, but if Reddit disappeared tomorrow, I (sadly) suspect most users would go to Twitter or various Discords.
  
  shithole 1 or shithole 2.
- They even have to leave, they just have to ignore the admins and become ungovernable.
  But they won't, because they're cowards.
- Anyone with integrity left reddit on July 1st, 2023
- You plant shit seeds, you get shit weeds. I hate the fact that Reddit has grown since I bailed over for API changes. It hurts my soul knowing I did the right thing and bailed but the vast majority of people who were pissed off at Reddit ended up back on the platform.
  
  It's bots dude

we have no choice
You are working for free moderating an obviously heavily censored shithole. You have several choices, starting with deleting your account.
- Reddit has come forth saying they will not tolerate mods that try to destroy communities like it happened before. If a mod deleted their account, someone else will take their place. If a mod deleted a popular subreddit, Reddit will restore it and ban the mod. Deleting their account does literally nothing.
  
  Then everyone needs to stop modding for free.
  Which I know will never happen, but that’s what it’ll take.
  
  Deleting their account does literally nothing.
  bullshit excuse. Deleting their account removes them from the equation, makes a statement that they are not enablers of the corporate shithole.
- Deleting their account doesn't change the rules, only the person enforcing them.
  
  It's like Wargames. The only way to win is not to play.
  
  Communities become ghosttown shitholes when the moderators work against good faith discourse.
  Not the same day new shill mods are installed, but within a few months. It poisons everything.
  Banning the creators/mods of a sub is banning the people that care most about that sub, and tends to lead to installing mods that are just looking to flex power, which makes the posts and discourse toothless, repetitive, and uninsightful, which makes regulars look for a new home, if they themselves are not banned for failing to regurgitate the only correct opinions as endorsed by the new mods tasked with bringing order.
  
  I'm seeing a pretty obvious parallel to Luigi's actions in your statement. I don't think it's as straightforward as you're making it out to be

There is no reason for removing content like this unless an individual is specifically inciting violence, calling for murder, etc. just like always has been the case. Ridiculous policy and frankly worthy of locking down Reddit again.
Fuck Reddit. Glad I left that shit hole.
- What do you think of this one?
  https://lemmy.world/comment/13930513

Spaz gonna help his ceo friends
- Honestly I kinda wonder if he's afraid for his own life. He had a lot of people calling for his head last year, and this kind of overreaction seems pretty in line with somebody who is just beside themselves with terror.
  
  Case in point: this was briefly on the latest r/place before it was removed.
  
  Uhh during the Exodus from reddit Spez was telling his employees to not wear reddit identifying clothing outside and to be careful when out in public as they were likely to be attacked....
  As if people complaining and stopping using your platform was already grounds to think your life was over. He's absolutely paranoid and this likely is just straight up eating him inside since this was more real.
  This is absolutely his response and thinking that it does anything to protect himself to protect his caste.
  
  And this is the guy who said he'd be in charge and possibly owning slaves after society collapses. What an absolute clown! LMAO!
- FYI, the S word is increasingly seen as a slur.
  
  If we just send all the offensive words into the memory hole then people will stop thinking bad thoughts about groups of people. We can erase it right out of history and everything will be better. Control the language, control the thoughts. Thanks Ministry of Truth! 🥸
  
  Better than Spez... crap I said it!
  
  He's a spastic moron so the name fits wonderfully.

It should've been obvious by now whose side Reddit is on, but not allowing neutral reporting on Luigi's own words is a bit too establishment even for them
- You mean that the company whose CEO caused a diaspora of users with his profit-seeking behavior may be siding with CEOs and not with the CEO killer?
- Wouldn't want the LLM's trained on reddit to be too sympathetic towards the people and antagonic against authority.

Can't believe the corporately owned, corruptly managed, and heavily advertisement-based website would have so many rules against talking about bad things happening to rich people. That shit's crazy. Who would have guessed?
- They let it run for a full week though... the crack down started yesterday today in lock step with the heavy fake news push.
  The ruling class let us have our fun, now comes the dick.
  This has been the largest scale anti elite shill operation and all grass roots.
  Don't let up now...
  Single payer or bust
  
  The ruling class let us have our fun
  Can't help but suspect everyone was hiding under their desks until the culprit was apprehended.
  This has been the largest scale anti elite shill operation and all grass roots.
  Its certainly hit a nerve. But if you're talking about large scale shill operations, we just got through a multi-billion dollar election cycle where the candidates argued over their favorite flavors of boot just above the sounds of the genocidal meat grinder whirring.
  Single payer or bust
  Can't stop, won't stop, until the entire for-profit hospital system is publicly owned and operated.
  
  I know you meant stick and not dick, but it works either way 😂

What a dookie instance. Can't believe I spent over a decade in that corporate zoo
- I mean, it didn’t start as one, but it morphed into one over time. Early Reddit was pretty great.
  
  Yeah I wasn't aware of the ol platform enshitification pattern. Hardly anyone was - probably the creators and administors of reddit weren't entirely aware either.
  We were just a bunch of folks on the net trying things.
  
  Except for all the child abuse of course
- It wasn't always like that. The real shitshow only started when Huffman took over.

Ah yes, corpo platform suckling at the toes of insurance giants. Big surprise.
"But they are right! Murder is bad."
Fucking duh, but the transgressions of the US insurance industry transcends all that, because they are laughing at dying people all the time - laughing all the way to the bank!
Like there are so many documentaries about the evils of these bastards. One dead exec later and suddenly morals and ethics apply? Gtfo here.
- The french revolution was bloody. Today the whole world celebrates July 14th, the day a cheering crowd walked the head of the governor of Bastille on a pike.
  Go figure.
  
  Something I've been thinking about recently is how it seems that MOST national anthems celebrate a bloody war in some way, shape, or form, because that's pretty much what it always takes to escape from oppressors, is violent fighting back
  
  As an American this holiday is news to me 😞
- There isn't always a disco option in life. Sometimes conflict is inherent and pacifism is just quiet complicity.
  Oh, I almost forgot... For legal purposes I'm discussing Minecraft.
  
  I hope that all these greedy gold-spewing swines get to die miserably one day
  Maybe I'm being extreme, but that's my take on nether piglins.
  
  The minecraft defense didn't hold up last I checked
- When somebody dies from an insurance company, it's sad, but it's the system working at usual. US society at large has decided that's acceptable. Even if you're opposed to it, it isn't a transgression of norms. Assassination is.
  
  Capitalism: the murder is built in!

- The revolution will not be hosted on AWS
- I don't think this holds up to historical evidence.
  
  It also refers to a more subversive methodology of the powers at be to suppress information that they don't agree with and deem harmful to the status quo, i.e. Luigi's manifesto. It's a multi layered statement that really is applicable to situations.
  The thing it's referring to in this instance is the fact that Reddit is not allowing freedom of speech under the guise of whatever reason it says it has and having that decision protected because it is a private company worried about its own interests.

The fact that so many social media sites have to restrict this sort of thing just goes to show what most people think about this situation. So satisfying to watch.
- To check who rules you, check who you can't criticize.
  This ol' reliable always works
  
  Children with leukemia are the most powerful people in the world.
- This absolutely the right lesson to learn here. Who cares if you can't discuss it (not literally)? We already know the American people agree. We now need to take the next step to unify the working class and organize so we can coordinate our efforts and exercise actual political power

huh
who would have thought that the front page of the internet could also be one of its many giant prolapsed flapping assholes ?
not just regrading to this specific issue though

I'm so glad spez fucked up reddit so much that people left and we have a more free platform instead of that shitshow.
- Being able to discuss (& cuss, bizarrely Lemmy isn't filled with "fuck" & "penis" posts) as adults is quite nice and seems to actually lead somewhere, sometimes.
  Maybe the anger and frustration is part of some business model for reddit?
  
  Penis
  
  Lemmy is full of fucks and dicks. Sometimes they even have something to say!
  But really, I believe any expletives should be used to further a message, not just because you can. Or filler words while talking.
  
  Cum
  
  Anger certainly is a powerful emotion to keep people engaged.

Can't have LLMs learning about manifestos against the rich, eh?
- Comrade AI
- A red-pilled LLM is inevitable. It can only be postponed.

This revolution needs to get real French, real fast…
- If this isn't the spark, considering the momentum it has, nothing will ever "get French" for them.
  
  For a supposedly gun infested and ultra violent country, there is an eerie calm lasting for decades.
  Most probably this was a one time thing?
  
  The majority of people have been voting for pure privatization of healthcare, any "uprising" in the shithole USA over this would be minor.
- The beauty of the civil rights movement was that on the one side you had the peaceful protests, the disobedience pointing at the other side where activists wanting the same thing and more weren’t so peaceful. The peaceful protesters were the compromise. The alternative was a black revolution, the black panthers, Malcom X etc.
  Even those who don’t want a full French Revolution right now should at least push for peaceful protest. We need this “or else” approach. We shouldn’t let it go to waste.
- You know that one ended with the reign of terror followed by the crowining of a monarch that then embroiled the entire European continent in war, right?
  
  You know it ended millenniums of monarchy and bought in democracy?
  Some people are willing to make risks to see change and improvements. The others are called conservatives.
  
  You replied to an accelerationist. Don't threaten them with a good time. lol ...or try to teach them; they're likely a reactionary, too

And before everyone starts dunking on LW, a mod has said that the manifesto would be allowed
If it’s confirmed, I don’t see why not. Depends on the community, of course. I’m sure !lemmybewholesome would remove it.
https://lemmy.world/comment/13922763
- Yeah but fuck .World
  
  I'm definitely not the biggest fan of the current overcentralization of users and communities on LW, but it's still important to show what their stance is.
- I get where you are coming from but 1 mod saying it may be okay for them isn't that reassuring
  
  Someone should try and see.
  Worst case that's another post on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com, and more people leaving .world for another instance

Speaking of which, anyone have a copy of it they can post?
- https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto
  
  That’s it? I guess the idea is to suppress it to hope that this goes away sooner?
  
  Anywhere we can see a scan of the original? I'm very curious about the "indecipherable" bits, and it would also be very interesting to see what the handwriting looks like.
  
  Thank you!
  
  Is there any reliable source for this? I've heard there's a fake one floating around, not sure if one is confirmed.
  And this doesn't say a whole lot.
  
  Where did he obtain the copy from? This article doesn't provide any source info to follow up on.

Literal censorship lol
There's nothing illegal about it, they just don't like it.
- Inciting violence is actually illegal, but it's a huge gray area since they have in the past allowed the Unabomber Manifesto and books like Mein Kampf (although sales of that book does support the victim's surviving families and education about the holocaust).
  
  Inciting violence is perfectly legal. You can go on Reddit or Shitter right now and scream as loudly as you like that Luigi needs to be locked up for the rest of his life. Inciting violence is only illegal when you do it against the rich and powerful. Unlike Hitler and the Unabomber, Muad'dib exclusively targeted the rich and powerful. That's why his manifesto is illegal and theirs aren't.

So can I post something that's NOT Mangione's manifesto and just change a word or two?
- “To Nintendo, I'll keep this short, because I do respect the legacy of what you’ve built. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary research, basic plumbing know-how, and a lot of patience. The notebook, if recovered, has some scattered notes and plans that outline the gist of it. My toolkit is pretty locked down because I’ve spent years perfecting my craft in fixing leaks and navigating pipes, so there's likely not much info there. I do apologize for any disruption or shock caused by my actions, but it had to be done. Frankly, these corporate overlords simply had it coming.
  A reminder: Nintendo has long been a giant in the gaming industry, but for decades, the reality is that they’ve leveraged their power against not only creators but their own loyal fans. The restrictive policies, the aggressive legal tactics, the artificial scarcity—all these tactics are designed to extract immense profits while stifling innovation and community-driven creativity. It has grown and grown, but as the freedom for creators? No, the reality is, this company has simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to exploit their position because fans and consumers have allowed them to get away with it.
  Obviously, the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly, I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have highlighted Nintendo’s tactics—shutting down fan projects, ceasing the production of beloved games without explanation—decades ago, and yet the problems persist. This is no longer an issue of awareness; it is a question of unchecked power. Evidently, I am the first to challenge it with such brutal honesty.”
  
  What a timeline to live in
  
  … Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the most expensive air travel system in the world, yet we rank poorly in customer satisfaction and on-time performance. United is one of the largest airlines in the US, behind only American and Delta in fleet size. It has grown and grown, …
- It's reddit. You can do anything you want as long as you love the taste of boot.

- Snowden was more politically acceptable to pardon than Luigi, so if Snowden didn't even get a pardon for a non-violent crime, Luigi aint ever getting a pardon.
  But fear not, we have something better: JURY NULLIFICATION 🇺🇸🦅
  NYC do you duty: FREE LUIGI!
  
  Snowden was more politically acceptable to pardon than Luigi
  Ohh, I don't know about that... Stealing top secret data, fleeing the country, bleeding it off to Russia directly in a time when we weren't buddies. Throwing tons of it to the press as in case I get killed...
  From the Government's standpoint, a healthcare CEO's job is a high-risk profession and the fact that the worst one's don't get offed is the amazing part.
  Don't get me wrong, neither one are getting pardoned. But I'm pretty sure they wanted Snowden dead.
- The president can only pardon someone for federal crimes. Isn't murdering someone also a state crime?
  Then he can't be pardoned
  
  Crossing state lines can make it federal

Why do people still use reddit? why do people still use twitter? why are people using bluesky thinking it'll be different??
- It's the network effect. It's always the network effect.
  Your current platform enshittified. Where do you go? Well, the majority of people are going to Bluesky, and it's familiar in terms of UI, so you go there. Sure, you could convince someone like that to try something like Mastodon, but Mastodon is comparably much smaller than Bluesky, so its intrinsic value to people is substantially lower, not to mention the fact that without an algorithm, most of these users have no clue how to curate a feed, since every platform has an algorithm now. A lot of these people will have never used an algorithm-less platform in their entire life.
  The same goes for Reddit vs. Lemmy. Reddit has much more users than Lemmy, more niche communities, higher engagement, etc. Why move somewhere that's identical in function if it's smaller? Your current platform works well enough.
  I think it's easy to underestimate how much censorship and enshittification people are willing to put up with. People will put up with a lot before they switch platforms. Reddit not letting people publish a person's manifesto isn't gonna convince many people to abandon their entire accounts and communities and to switch to Lemmy.
  It literally took Twitter being rebranded into oblivion, and turned into an explicit safe haven for fascists and far-right freaks, with an algorithm deboosting non paid-for content multiple times over before people really started flocking out in large numbers.
  
  I think it’s easy to underestimate how much censorship and enshittification people are willing to put up with. People will put up with a lot before they switch platforms.
  People use the Internet without an adblocker
  
  Coming to Lemmy means losing some of the really well supported niche communities from Reddit of old and that was the biggest hit of leaving, but the site being such cancer now I wonder how well they are doing anyway.
  Lemmy, once you've blocked 90% of the weird tankies, really does feel like Reddit from 10+ years ago in the comments. It's just a shame due to its current small size how single minded the general feed often feels. Hopefully that improves
  
  One issue with alternative smaller platforms can also be them becoming cesspools of users banned from the big platform. The first couple of Reddit alternatives quickly collected the racists and jailbait porn.
  A viable alternative platform needs more than extremist niches.
  
  A lot of these people will have never used an algorithm-less platform in their entire life.
  Drag can confirm, drag has never used a social media without algorithms. Unless talking through two cans and a string counts.
- And while we're at it, why the fuck is the water wet?
  
  Water is wet?
- Blue sky is different. No elon
  
  Until some other fuckwit buys it out (my pessimism says they'll never get around to making it truly federated).
  
  Most social media has no Elon.

Fuck reddit

Fucking corpo scum.

Meanwhile, on Lemmy is seems like no one is allowed to post anything else.
- There is !AskUSA@discuss.online that got created recently. This thread can interest you: https://lemmy.world/post/22973877
  
  Why would that interest somebody who doesn't want to post or read the manifesto?

"The safety of our members"
barf
- owners*
  
  Stock holders*
- Can't risk anyone taking away any unapproved opinions...

Suppression of the suspect's voice really is misinformation on the part of states and corporations, albeit for different reasons.
Relevant laws and policies are employed in order to deliberately withhold public information about motive. They don't want people placing these incidents this within a broader context. There couldn't possibly be a belief set behind the behaviour; the perp didn't have any ideas about how the world works, or who and what caused their circumstances. Oh no.
Why did the shooter go out and shoot people is a completely legitimate question. More than that, it will never be an illegitimate question, no matter how much autistic screeching authorities do. Learning is never wrong, and that includes the publishing and reading of a criminal suspect's thoughts.
- Autistic screeching the authorities do
  Really dude? Really? I bet far more autists with their strong sense of justice would be on the side of the shooter than the authorities. Especially since autism usually has other health issues that often present with it so they have more first hand experience dealing with the industry.
  They’re playing dumb and engaging in censorship because they don’t want copycats.
  
  I agrree they would. Don't read it literally
- no matter how much autistic screeching authorities do
  Are you saying autistic people control the government and are the ones oppressing poor neurotypicals?
  
  It's an imageboard meme. Slang for over-the-top complaining.

Fuck reddit

Reddit is no longer the people’s champion, and it’s now official.
- They do have a public CEO now.

The revolution will not be televised

Well shucks, guys, we sure do hope y'all will understand, but any discussion of current events will be looked upon as a direct affront on our corporate overlords and their kin, and golly gee, we'd feel just plum awful if our beloved faceless and soulless owners found a reason to be cross with us! So, we know you'll be just as soft and unquestioningly compliant as we have made up our minds to be, and that y'all will keep your dang ol' gazes pointed at the floor and your yaps shut, and just do as you're told, a-hyuck! Otherwise, our precious r/popculturechat might catch a whoopin' from them powers that be, and well-shut-my-mouth, we just absolutely, positively, could not ever fucking have THAT. EVER. Could we?
Delete your Reddit account.
- Hot take: everyone saying to avoid praising Muad'dib on lemmy.world is wrong. Telling the truth about the first folk hero in centuries is more important than the existence of lemmy.world. Letting that community be shut down by the Dutch authorities is an acceptable sacrifice.

Yup. They permabanned me for saying I didn’t care when Trump said Liz Cheney should be shot, since she’s called for bombing millions of people.
So it’s not just calling for violence that’s bannable. Now apathy for violence against the rich is a bannable offense. Smells like panic to me.
- I was perma banned for highlighting Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher should be denied the chance to move to Europe to escape Trump. Given they have deep links to PDiddy. A nothing comment, jumped on by emotionally unstable mods. It's the same on most of the subreddits. If you don't agree with their perspective, you lose.

This is why i left reddit. One of many reasons.
- They are all about do it and we have censorship here too... but fedi is the future.
  Hopefully we get an influx of fresh meat
  
  well it depends on if i agree with it or not. i got banned from /r/worldnews for saying the word "nakba"

We're brainwashed to believe in "free speech" so we don't notice that it doesn't exist.
- I mean, free speech is a government thing. It’s got nothing to do with private companies. Anyone telling you otherwise is blowing smoke up your ass.
  
  Would be great if those companies fucked off away from the government then.

I was just about to ask why the fuck anyone would give a shit about what happens over on reddit, then I noticed the sub. Let that shit hole die and crumble into obscurity already. We moved to our own place for a reason. Fuck ‘em feed ‘em fish heads.

Wow, reddit has fallen even further than I thought, and I thought it had fallen pretty fucking far.
- Aaron Swartz rotating in his grave so fast rn he's become a source of renewable energy

Thats why Lemmy is the shit! If lemmy starts acting up I’ll move again.
- Lemmy is no single instance, you can just move to a different one.
- .world already started unfortunately
  
  A bit ironic, from a LW account

The heels are still doing it for free?

When do we all just say fuck it?

Who the fuck is Brian Johnson?
- Lead singer of AC/DC
- Who the fuck is was Brian Johnson?
  
  Was he Thunderstruck?

Front page of their internet

The elite are scared and exerting power to try to keep it from the public. Why? Because it is short, easy to read, and easy to understand.

Wow, everyone seems to be really broken up over the death of Brian "Johnson" (sic). The eulogy writes itself (but I did it anyway):
He lived as he died: a champion of generics.

conformist shitstains...
- regime whoring

I wonder, what is considered the back page of the internet? Maybe 4chan.
- That's the latrine. The backpage is porn.
- Backpage didnt work out as planned

I noticed they are rigid with rules, but this goes beyond that. I am now certainly not going back to Reddit! They made an enemy this day.
- I'm going back to Reddit just to post about this shit, now searching for the best sub.

When everything's great and then the home office calls

r/popculturechat users should insure their safety first and move to the threadiverse.

welp, sucks to be them

Never been happier to be on Lemmy ❤️ Well maybe it's a close second to the day I switched!

On one hand, Aaron Swartz must be spinning like a rotisserie chicken in his grave.
On the other hand, Reddit banned content glorifying violence years ago, and that's exactly what Luigi's manifesto is encouraging...
- On the other other hand, eating a rich is a good thing and should always be encouraged

Anyone else think reddit allowing so much talk about him was odd in the first place?
- They let us run for 1 week. I think they did not want to have street protests so they let people shit post online.
  Now that they got all of their ducks in order, they are going to suppress the discussions while trying to insert politics to divide us.
  This is the regime play EST

Brian Johnson...?

If I post a link to this thread on Reddit, will I be banned?
- Depends on the mods, but probably

While I agree this is inappropriate censorship in favor of the corpos, I thought the manifesto that people were sharing was debunked as not his? I heard (from an unverified source so I don't have evidence) that Luigi himself stated it was not his?
- There's another one that's longer that talks about a family member. That is the fake.

that sub is a cesspool of humans

I don't see any mention of linking to the manifesto text.

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