bOtH SiDeZ!!

Man I'm a progressive and even I can tell this is propaganda.

Also, missed a bunch of presidents? Bush 1 after Reagan. Lyndon B, Nixon, Ford and CARTER between Kennedy and Reagan.

I obviously agree with the overall message (that "both sides" is and always has been bullshit) but c'mon man.

Edit: like, you could put the actual campaign goals and summarized impacts and then it would be a real infographic. Like "passed tax cuts for top _% of income earning Americans" "repealed gun laws". It's still cherry picking and biased but that's what moves something like this out of the realm of propaganda and into I dunno...something more like biased news? Bias isn't inherently bad, obviously when you're trying to have an argument you have a side and an agenda.

Edit: like, you could put the actual campaign goals and summarized impacts and then it would be a real infographic.
The point of a meme is to be short and punchy, not academic.
- This like watching the trope of “Republicans are evil, and Democrats can’t govern” play out in realtime.
- We're here for memes, not to RaRa your campaign.
What were William Harrison's goals for office? 🤔
- You know I'm not sure if you're joking but I'm genuinely curious now.
  Edit: I looked it up and most of what I could find was, "Let's finish killing all the Indians". 😬
- I think he was just really happy to be included.
This a meme, not an infographic.
- You're right. It's not an infographic. It's also not a meme.
  It's a political cartoon. Definition from Brittanica: " a drawing (often including caricature) made for the purpose of conveying editorial commentary on politics, politicians, and current events. "
- It's just a joke.
  Where have I heard that before?
political memes are propaganda. all of them. always have been always will.
there are no exceptions, only examples which oppress and exploit more or less.
something this sublemmy needs to get into its head.
It's... a political meme. I wonder what sub this is...
- This feels more like boomer humour than a meme.
I would argue that you know it's propaganda because you are progressive.
- What? I think a lot of non-progressives would call this propaganda.
Man I'm a progressive and even I can tell this is propaganda.
Aw man, you saw right through it!
I was told you progressives were smart but you caught this propaganda in no time! And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for you meddling progressives!!
- Ok how else would you word that I'm on the political "side" of the meme and still call it out for being kinda shitty by misrepresenting the 'other side' in a way that undermines the credibility of the message?
  I did not expect this to blow up and made an offhand criticism that used a cliche literary device before heading out for the day. I apologize for getting tripped up when information is misleading or inaccurate, it's a condition, and obviously I am long overdue at the gulag
  Y'all take stuff way too seriously on the Internet.

Anyone that says Biden isn't doing anything is blind.

Or most likely not reading truthful news.
Tbf, society used to have "news", and many people are slow to realize that while the media still call themselves by that name, they no longer live up to that truth. i.e., not everyone who is blind is purposefully ignoring the truth - there is a whole spectrum of people in the middle.
- As the New York Times' coverage of the Israeli Genocide has made obvious to even the blindest most tribalist of people, the "liberal" media was and is just as hard spouting propaganda as the far-right one.
  Personally I think that the decay from Journalism into "Opinion Forming" in the traditional more liberal Press long predates the Fox-News Age and their destruction of the trust in the Traditional Press for temporary political gains of "their side" created the prime conditions for the rise of the made-up-outrage "Press" that so well fits the modus operandi of far-right populism and hence fed and was fed by made-up-outrage far-right populist politicians like Trump.
- I mean, public radio and tv exists.
- Now we have hate boner political infotainment. It's disgusting.
  We need a free press, but we need to figure out how to deal with those that take advantage of their status... In this case, all of them...
He sure is sucking zionist dick really hard. Some would say too hard.
- Hey guys I found this book written by god that says trump tower is mine. Think the us government will back me?
But... he's old! And not perfect!!! So obviously, we should stay home and see how much better our lives will be under Trump when it's his last (legal) term and literally what keeps him out of prison... Duh.
- Look, I know the opposition is worse in quite literally every conceivable sense, but BOTH SIDES! Ha, take that, LIBS!
"saving democracy" tho; lol. if he wanted to do that, why the fuck is he running again?
edit: that feels more like 'dangling democracy over a trumpian abyss to jack off his own geriatric ego'.
- He's certainly not destroying it.
About as blind as Biden is to Palestine.
They're liars, they know full well what he's accomplished, but they refuse to acknowledge it because their peers would ostracize them
Right, he is totally supporting genocide of the Palestinian people.
- I notice the .ml communities are, how to say it, "I'm 14 and edgy".

Okay, I get what you're saying, but to call the Affordable Care Act "Universal Healthcare" is like calling one of those meal boxes from Taco Bell an all-you-can-eat buffet

While I do agree with what you say, the post is about goals, not achievements. It's an important distinction, and Obama did have universal healthcare as a goal.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jun/11/obama-administration-universal-healthcare-reform
- Gee, I wonder WHO was taking actions to prevent that from coming out as universal healthcare. And I wonder WHICH SIDE of the aisle they were on.
Obama also campaigned that he would codify abortion into law, got elected, and then said it was not a priority. Then didn't do anything to protect reproductive rights.
This image is complete propaganda.
- Obama goal: ~~end FPTP so the 2000 election doesn't happen again and again~~ Short term easily reversible promises
  Biden goal: what democracy, and how exactly
- Ah yes, the old "it's propaganda because it doesn't include literally everything that has ever happened".
  Bush dodged that shoe like a fucking boss so how bad a president could he have been?!
  Is it rosy colored? Sure. Does it still have a generally true premise? IMO yes.
If he is to be believed (and that is certainly up to debate), Obama's goal was universal healthcare, and his compromise was the ACA.
Personally I think as soon as the public option was gutted this compromise failed to meet what was sought out by the goal, so I don't think it should be counted at all as achieving that goal, but I don't think it's inherently disingenuous to make the claim that Obama wanted universal healthcare... I guess he just didn't want it enough.
People hate finding out the ACA is the Republican plan based on Romney's healthcare system from MA.
- Well we couldn't know what it said til they passed it. "Call it the stupidity of the American voter"
Obama supported the public option which would have been a form of universal healthcare. It was axed because Joe Lieberman spent months grandstanding and then Ted Kennedy died.
- Postal 2 was right to teach us all to hate that dude
Lieberman threatened to join Republicans in filibuster to kill the public option and Obama's response was "Okay, we'll just pull that piece for you, no problem."
Gee, thanks, you jerk. Now I want one of those meal boxes from Taco Bell.

To be fair, I don't believe Trump's goal is more money for rich people.

I believe it's more money for himself but to do that he works towards more money for rich people because those rich people will in turn support and fund him further.

He's too damn selfish to actually consider people, rich or not.

Not even money, I have no doubt he just wants to be president to get out of all the rape and fraud accusations running against him.
- The Romans are said to have conquered the world in self defense. Trump's plan is to ruin it instead. Easier.
Before Trump, the Rich controlled America via the Politicians.
Trump just removed the middle man.
- Politicians have always been part of the wealthy owning class, its built into the system becsuse the system was created by a wealthy owning class

A huge part of Clinton's deficit reduction was eviscerating welfare with the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act. He also made a lot of money for rich people by repealing the Glass-Steagall Act, which directly let to the 2008 financial collapse. Also, Obamacare is not Universal Healthcare; Obama would have needed to keep the Public Option for it to be considered universal coverage. He also made a lot of money for rich people through TARP.

Also, the year gaps are a little disingenuous. Like, where are Nixon, or even Carter. Like, Carter is a good man at least.
The public option was tanked by Senator Lieberman, who at that point became an independent. All we would have needed was a Republican to break ranks and we would have had a public option.
- A) Lieberman didn't become an independent at that point, he'd been an independent since he lost his primary in 2006 B) no matter what the excuse, it doesn't change the fact that saying the ACA is Universal Healthcare is a lie.
Define "huge"
- Why, would it be better if he gutted welfare for a small deficit reduction?

I would like to see a more accurate one that actually just listed passed and proposed legislation for each one instead of just circlejerk fodder.

Well that wouldn't really be a meme then but yeah this meme is kind of shit
With the naming schemes going on for GOP legislation, that would only tell you that they do everything to hide the actual effects under some nice boilerplate names just to help sell it to their constituents, like if people they elect would never lie to them.

I remember with each Presidential change, that when a Republican president came into power, they had a budget surplus, created by their democratic predecessor, which they then squandered, and when it was tome to switch to a democratic president, they got a deficit, and managed to work theyr way out of it. Each time, fox would comment on how these Democrat presidents always had a deficit. It was, and continues to be, maddening.

Require news organizations to be truthful again, fuck that "but much first amendment" bullshit, one has nothing to do with the other

Require news organizations to be truthful again,
Faux News has stated in court that they are not a "news organization", they are "entertainment".
- That sounds like an admission to false advertising to me
It's the same in the UK. Within 15 minutes of the Tories finally (hopefully) losing power in the next election they'll be gesturing to the shit state of things, that they themselves caused, and saying "Look at how the Labour government has ruined this country!"
- I find it funny how tories were like "This is the best the economy has been in five years! Look at us go!!" Okay, and who was in government 5 years ago?
News conglomerates haven't been truthful since at least Hearst.

Clinton is one of the worst. The party went, can't beat 'em, might as well join em.

Clinton essentially fulfilled some of the great Republican dreams of deregulation. See Glass-Stegall how he joined hands with Republicans. Which you can then fast forward to the banking and financial crisis that hit the world and screwed economies and brought austerity programs worldwide.

Dare ya to read up on all the congressional stock trading from not just Repubs but very much Dems as well.

The party went fully corporate with Clinton.

"The era of big government is over" from his 1996 state of the union.
Three strikes laws, too.
It's not the 90s anymore. Right now the most pro-union president in history is running against a literal fascist.
- I don't disagree but it bears repeating. If you ignore the past, you never learn from it. You get repetition. Control of the narrative very much influences the present and therefore, the future.
  The devastating illegal war in Iraq was not only costly to human life, but also to the social and economic damage to Iraq and the US afterwards. Ironically it helped create a more virulent terrorism in the region where there was none before. Falsified reports of terrorists in Iraq were a reason for the war mongers and war profiteers to go all out Dr. Strangelove and justify the war.
  The financial crisis and the toll it took and its after effects weave right into life today. No one was charged, Bernie Madoff was a perfect fall guy for an entire financial and banking industry that fought against any changes to the way of doing things.
  Obama's admin basically helped enshrine "Too big to fail" and they all got away with the damage they wrought.
  Never any repercussions or prosecutions or accountability for people bringing humans to the brink, to one abyss or another. Whether it was Reagan and Iran-Contra, or even Clinton being impeached for lying under oath and obstruction of justice. Had Clinton been impeached, perhaps Trump would never have risen. But when people see powerful people getting away with 'it', whatever it is, then that creates a future where someone like Trump will get away with 'it'. You've undermined equal under the rule of law and that has blowback.

Biden:
Discontinued American Rescue Plan programs that helped low income Americans like the Expanded Child Tax Credit.
Did $1,200 payments during covid (-Promissed $2,000)
Did not actually do meaningful college debt relief ("muh, but the courts" - shut up, the Secretary Of education has the power, he really just doesn't care about it that much)
Still kinda sorta half asking the effort via another legal argument
Cabinet full of corporate ghouls
Based Lina Khan and NLRB
Unconditional support for Israel
Did not deschedule marijuana ("working" on it, believe when you see it)
Continued monetary incentives and subsidies for anti-union corps
Left Afghanistan
No challenge to the Supreme Court corruption
No real platform for re-election, no interviews, no debate, no primaries
A bunch more.
Trump: Literally nothing good. Just way worse all around.
- Leaving Afghanistan was a bad move? Okay, sure buddy.
- Challenging supreme court corruption is Congress job. Impeaching a justice takes a simple majority in the house and then 2/3 in Senate.
  Not gonna happen. Not in a corrupt Congress. Only happened one time, nearly 220 years ago.
  Removing a member of Congress is also pretty impossible right now. Takes a 2/3 vote.
  Could vote out the worst apples. Tough with gerrymandering, but theoretically possible. But that's a prerequisite to anything else.
Massive difference between cutting taxes and giving investment grants. The latter has strings attached.

Don't forget deregulation, those fuckers love removing protections for the environment and workers.

especially child workers
The Republicans are cartoon villains.
Yeah but deregulation is ultimately just a way for them to give more money to rich people.
The democratic governor in my state recently succeeded in a years long endeavor to legalize gambling. That's deregulation too
- Legalizing something isn't the same as deregulation but it's a subtle distinction.

Democrats aren't for more money for rich people? News to me. Nice job leaving off things like welfare reform, the crime bill, and the repeal of glass-steagall (which led to the 2008 global financial crisis) from under clinton. You left off obama continuing the policy of bailouts for the rich after the 2008 global financial crisis, his support for the surveillance state (and going after Snowden after claiming to protect whistleblowers), and bombing so many more countries (like Libya, Somalia, Yemen, and Syria). Of course there's the glaring absence of supporting genocide under biden, but I think you get the picture.

Both sides aren't the same in all things, but they are definitely the same in supporting the rich first and foremost. Democrats are better than republicans, but you're not making a strong point by pretending democrats only do good things.

In this system money is speech. Not literally, like the Supreme court has codified but in practice. No matter the party the only chance you have in getting elected is fund raising. It's a shit system and no democrats aren't a victim but their is no other credible option.
- No, no, critical support for genocide here in the US. /s

Nixon: More money for rich people,

Carter: Peace in The Middle East

Edit: Carter: Climate Change. He installed solar panels at the White House that Reagan destroyed.

Carter: Peace in The Middle East
Also, getting started fighting climate change back when we should've started. (See also: solar panels on the White House etc.)
- Oh you're correct, totally forgot that Reagan ripped those off.
Carter: Selling weapons to Indonesia to commit genocide in East Timor.
As an Australian, I’d like to give a personal fuck you to Jimmy Carter for that one. Fucking arsehole he was.

OK who let the DNC get a lemmy.world account

Sorry, it can't be tankies all day every day.

Saving Democracy

Biden was responsible for removing the democratically elected prime minister in Pakistan because he refused to follow the geopolitical whims of the USA. His entire party is dead in the water with several MNAs assasinated, hundreds tortured, and thousands of supporters still in jail without trial or bail.

So respectfully, fuck off with this shitty propaganda meme.

“But but but vote blue no matter who!”
Give me a fuckin’ break.
How can Biden remove the PM of Pakistan?
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change
  According to one study, the U.S. performed at least 81 overt and covert known interventions in foreign elections during the period 1946–2000.
  It’s not a new thing.

I would not say both sides are the same, but this a bullshit oversimplification. The dems are not some ray of sunshine who have only made this country better.

Wrong argument. No one is saying they are faultless. They are responding to the both sides argument. The ‘both sides’ argument is a relative argument and oversimplified comparisons they are still clearly the lesser evil. Yes they could improve but this isn’t the argument it’s answering to.
- That what I was talking about. This post is a bad faith response to the both sides argument.

Clinton repealled the Glass-Steagal act, which led to the 2008 crash, Obama's unconditional bailouts of financial institutions and ultra-low interest rates and subsequent hyperfinancialization of the Economy, the current house prices bubbles, an explosion in inequality, and an even further collapse of social mobility in the US.

To say that he doubled-down on Reagan's work is an underestimation.

Sure, it's all a bit obscure for those who weren't in Finance during the period around 2008, but that doesn't make it any less so.

(And lets not forget his wife's later "got paid million dollar for a speech to a room full of financiers" that helped her loose to none other than Donald Trump)

The idea that almost all those Democrats in that list didn't do "More money for the rich" is hilarious.

Also as an European in a country with a National Health Service, celebrating Obama's version of "Universal Healthcare" is "you're fucking kidding me"-level insulting.

That stuff is some Narnia-level Eyes Hard Closed level of tribalist self-delusion.

That's a giant load of revisionist history
- The alternative explanation is that you're a commited member of this specific political tribe and just have to defended those you see as your chiefs no matter what, even if lacking an actual argument.
  This alternative explanation perfectly explains the absence of even a shred of an actual counter argument in your post.
- I was right in the middle of the Investment Banking Industry back at the time and paid close attention to all the details about how the entire thing was conducted and the kind of market interventions going on, rather than just eat up the high level bullshit fed to pre-convinced members of that specific political tribe who don't know how the business works ...
  I actually had a pretty good opinion of Obama up until I saw who he put there conduction the bailouts, how they were conducted, how the pain was distributed, how the market was intervened in and which economic strata were saved with whose money.
  TARP doesn't even amount to a tip of an iceberg.

So glad Obama gave us universal healthcare.... Oh wait.

We all know this is bullshit right? Neither the Republicans or the Democrats give a shit about anything else then making rich people more money. I'm sorry to break it to you but the Democrats aren't your friends. I know they pretended to be but they're not. They are just as much your enemy as the Republicans. 😞

We know and the point of this post is that voting for one of them and grinding down the other is a clear message of what people want. Rich dude making his friends richer should have been a no-brainer but people keep using slimy tactics like the one you are using to distract the people from that fact.
- The rich people who pay them both through lobbyists know what the people actually want. We don't need to vote more clearly. 🙃
  I'm not using a slimy tactic. This is my opinion. Sorry you think that not agreeing with you is slimy.
  I'm a socialist. The Republican and Democratic parties are Siamese twins. They cannot survive without each other. They are completely dependent on the idea of voting for the lesser of two evils. Pretending like the Democrats actually cared about you or will do the things they say they will is an understandable coping mechanism for our situation but it's not real. 🤷
- Both sides are rich dudes making rich dudes richer…
At least you named yourself appropriately. Lazy. Otherwise, you would know that Obama attempted to provide a public option for healthcare. You do realize how politics works, right? You need a certain amount of votes and support in order to pass new legislation. If you don't have enough votes on both sides of the aisle, then you change NOTHING. So yes, one side, the Democrats, tried to provide healthcare that had a public option, and the other side, the Republicans, fought tooth and nail to stop it.
And you blame Obama.
<polite golf clap>
- Personally attacking me right off the bat. Now that's a sign of intelligence! /s
  So my point is that the Democrats never do what they say they will do. So pointing out that there was an unsuccessful attempt to create a public option doesn't really undermine my point. It just illustrates it for me. Because the fact remains Obama didn't not bring universal healthcare to the USA. I wish he had. I also wish he would have closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised. But again the Democrats just say nice things they don't do them.
  I hate the Republicans too. I don't attribute anything good to them. The I just don't pretend that the Democrats actually care about working class Americans.
  I don't have a particular axe to grind with Obama but if you need help seeing him as a charismatic individual who works against us on behalf of capital I recommend you look into how he downplayed the lead poisoning in flint Michigan https://youtu.be/AjugN-nUHh8?si=w_PTMd1QXzS47rQW
  If you need help seeing the Democrats as a whole as ruthless and against you i recommend you read about their pied Piper strategy https://theweek.com/speed-reads/1015258/the-pied-piper-strategy#:~:text=In%20Maryland%2C%20Pennsylvania%2C%20Colorado%2C,It%20also%20might%20backfire%20spectacularly.
  Good luck rude stranger ✌️😎

Don't forget Bush the First, the former director of the CIA and his mad desire to run shadow wars to disrupt democracy in other countries in the name of American corporate interests

Thank god no other president has done this

If you only compare democrats to republicans, every Democrat is going to look amazing.

Like comparing a large McDonalds combo meal to a literal shit sandwich.

I'll always take some Mickey D's in that choice. Even though it's probably been a decade since I've actually ate that trash.

But if those are my only two options for every meal, I know on a long enough timeline the McDonald's is going to kill me. Eventually I got to start asking why my only options are something bad for me and something that's drastically worse for me.

I just want a fucking salad for once. Like, let's just give it a chance, see how it works out.

Excellent. Changing the electoral system and changing the FPTP ranking is going to take a lot of work, but that’s the way to go!
Until then though, we got the McDonalds (now with 30% less plastic!), or the shit sandwich which wasn’t refrigerated properly. So. Make your choice. Oh and If we could maybe not kill the planet, like, real soon that’d be swell.
- If McD's knows you'll always buy whatever they put out because you essentially have no choice, why would they EVER want to implement something like eliminating FPTP voting that locks you into this ridiculous choice?
- You act like the only two parties America has had is D and R...
  And that the parties are the important part not the voters.
  Before we're able to kick all the neoliberals at of the dem party and beat back republicans to have the numbers to really change our political system, we'll see the parties shake up. Marc Cuban has been getting his name out there for four years. He's coming in 2028. And regardless of who wins 2024, the majority of Americans will be upset about it and there won't be an incumbent.
  "Beating the system from within" doesn't mean just using the two existing parties, it means using the party system to replace the FPTP.
It's because if too many people ask for salads without enough asking for a salad, then everyone has to eat the shit.
So are you confident enough that enough people want salads to risk eating shit if you're wrong, when the alternative is one more burger?
Point being, we need to move to some type of ranked choice voting instead of first past the post in order for it to be safe for people to say what they really want, and still not risk "horror" if not enough people agree.
- What and you think that's just gonna happen? Why would the Dems ever want to implement ranked choice voting when FPTP is exactly what keeps you in this ridiculous situation?
  Just keep voting for Dems, that's how we'll eventually reform the system into one where we don't have to vote for Dems... Yeah
Sounds fuckin great; if you know how to navigate in the direction of the salad please let me know.
In the meantime I do think it makes sense to request the burger instead of telling the waiter to just bring whatever
- No don't worry, THIS time when we eat shit it will TOTALLY encourage everyone to agree to not eating shit next time!
  Unlike, you know, the last 20 or so times this happened.
- Sounds fuckin great; if you know how to navigate in the direction of the salad please let me know
  I used to say voting in the party from the ground up. But that hasn't worked and the more we try the more the parties fight it.
  The 2020 DNC "fund" changes is even worse than Citizen's united, but no one ever mentions that.
  The DNC outright says if they don't like a primary they can ignore the results. And they're already taking delegates from states.
  But it's a different age now, debates rarely even get held and haven't mattered for decades. Which was the big thing that used to hold third parties back: access to debates and tv interviews. The parties are nothing more than agents at the end of the day. Just middle men who hand money between people and keep some while enjoying the high life.
  What matters now is internet exposure and buzz.
  For good candidates that can be almost free, for shit candidates that can cost over a billion dollars even against someone as hated as trump. And Bernie showed us that even with small donors, you can run a pretty big campaign.
  A third party president only takes getting people on the same page.
  Political change is rarely slow and gradual, shit happens quick, even though the people who were in power always says change will take forever right up till it happens
Disclaimer- I know about the Dixie Flip and how the parties are not what they were a hundred years ago. However you said every Democrat. I am legally obligated to mention this.
Abraham Lincoln.
- Don't forget Rough-Ridin' Trust-Bustin' National-Parks-foundin' Teddy "Bull Moose" Roosevelt

Don't forget Obama's work on a 2015 stimulus for the international Doctors without Borders program that allowed the construction of a brand new hospital in Kunduz, saving countless lives!

For more information, Google "2015 Kunduz Doctors without Borders"

Good to know that my tax dollars were spent on getting them the healthcare that I can't get as an American
- If you Google it, the US actually bombed the hospital, rather than funding the construction. So no worries, they aren't getting the healthcare either

God, go back to fucking Reddit.

yeah, I am quickly walking towards the door here, because these are the posts that get the most engagement, and quite obviously nothing about this platform has solved the core problems at the heart of reddit. Ooh, avoid the IPO, federation is so nice, sure, whatever, but then everything is still a horrible echo chamber where there's no room for nuance. Maybe even more of an echo chamber than previously, because of federation, I dunno, hard to tell. Makes me want to not be here, though.
- Yeah, it's a fucking cesspool of ideological nonsense here.
Lol, ok Trumper
- How on earth can that be construed as a "Trumper" statement? He really does live rent free in your head, doesn't he?
- bro is working overtime 😭
- tell me with a straight face your life is better off under Biden than 4 years ago. or 8 years ago under Obama. This "meme" is so fucking stupid acting like no republican did anything good, or that no democrat did anything bad. If you believe that you're a fucking idiot that can't be helped.

Don't be blind.... Every President gets more money for rich people in some way or another. Some just also try to help the little man sometimes.

All presidents kinda suck....you can't get to that level of power without some compromise of character

If you look up the CPG grey video "rules for rulers" it logically explains exactly why that's necessary for anyone vying for the job. It's a necessary part of the current structure of mass governance unfortunately.

Here are Clinton's claimed achievements. It's a lot more than "the deficit". There's a reason why he was reelected:

https://clintonwhitehouse5.archives.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-01.html

Clinton ushered in the era of the neoliberal democrats, after a series of genuinely good ones like JFK and Carter, and ones like LBJ that might have been murderers abroad but at least were aggressively progressive at home. (I know, JFK killed a bunch of people too)
I'm not saying Clinton was bad necessarily; he was certainly better than more Republicans, but he wasn't a mostly affirmatively good thing like Obama or Biden have been. The pre-internet picture of the world that most voters had was radically more conservative than today's view (in a way that's honestly hard to remember now that non-establishment news is a normal thing). I think as a result of that blinkered view, candidates too far on the left were just getting their ass kicked in the election over and over again, so maybe it was the right thing for him to do to move to the right. But even some of the stuff on that list of achievements is sinister neoliberal shenanigans (more police, less people on welfare after welfare-to-work, etc). Income at the top went up, but income inequality continued to skyrocket under Clinton's economic policies pretty much exactly as it had under Reagan's.

Kennedy also got us into Vietnam. Just saying.

IIRC Kennedy was more just doing it to keep the french from doing something stupid, Johnson was the one who kicked it into full gear
- Phew, I bet those Viet Cong feel pretty silly that they fought for their lives after learning that.
Almost got us into a nuclear war, too

And yet people's lives haven't improved much, if at all, in quite some time. The war machine is also still marching forward; we spend billions on things that don't actually improve the lives of the average person. Both sides of the aisle are bought and you can't just ignore that. With all of that said, I'm still voting for Biden, but only because I'm forced to due to how unbelievably fucked our system is.

Sounds good - get it on my ballot, I'll vote for it.

Even though I agree with the sentiment, and being a very extreme leftist myself, this is cartoonishly lopsided.

This will not convince anyone. Have fun preaching to the choir I guess, it is a pointless endeavor 🤷🏻‍♀️

If we want to turn people away from them, it will take more than pointing out that they’re evil, however true it may be. (And don’t misunderstand me, it is very true)

You forgot:

Johnson: Eliminate Poverty
Nixon: Burglary and coverup
Ford: Swine Flu vaccination
Carter: Egypt/Israel peace agreement

Ok but this is not balanced because you didn't list all the great things Trump has in store:

The definitive end of democracy
ww3
all money that's left goes to billionaires
hopefully the end of humanity
Nobody left to incriminate him with anything
huge wins
nobody has ever seen wins such as this
anybody? Hello?

You left out
accordion hands for all
- It depends at which point it applies.
  If it's after Trump ghoul comes out from his vault, I'm not sure it works.

Why isn't the Peace Corps a good thing JFK did and why is only one Bush listed?

And for that matter why skip LBJ with Civil Rights? Or Carter with nascent attempts to address Clime change?

Bush and Bush Jr both fed the war machine

Yup, totally the same.

-insert The Office meme here-

_ Corporate wants you to tell the difference between the two parties.

_ American: They are the same party.

I love how you just continue to insist on being wrong despite reality

Dawg you cant be serious. They both want more money for rich people 💀

Trump wants to win because he is a narcissist and really needs a few get out of jail free cards.

Sure seems like bOtH SiDeZ have started blatantly lying for their propoganda, and are trying their damnedest to villify the other by pretending that they are perfect. If you're demanding unquestioning loyalty, you're a fascist regardless of your label.

Now do one where you show who were the majority holders of each respective legislative house.

You're not going to like what happened during Gingrich

I'm thinking about killing myself by jumping off a tall building, but I don't think I have the courage.

Well in case this isn't a joke going over my head, you probably have more to live for than you realize :)
- Unfortunately it's not a joke. You're probably right but it doesn't feel like it today.
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Please don't.
There are innocent people walking below, and even if you don't hit any of them you'll traumatize them for life.
- Unfortunately, while true, this will usually not mean much to someone in this state of mind.

Bush: More money for rich People, killing a bunch of brown people, try to be be even more of a global disaster as dear old dad (was close but too incompetent to do it)

Obama: More money for rich people, killing a bunch of brown people

Trump: More money for rich people, killing a bunch of brown people, destroying democracy, treason, try to be even more of a global disaster as Reagan (was close but too incompetent to do it, there's always next time)

Biden: More money for rich people, killing a bunch of brown people

I think this is the most accurate take I’ve read so far

Infrastructure was done under every president but Trump and is normal functioning governance.

Corporate subsidy and monopolization of EV market

Corporate subsidy for MIC

Not actually loan Reform, college is more expensive than ever

Drug pricing might be the only novel and just good thing going on this list. But it's certainly not stacking up to ACA and Zero Deficit Budgeting.

Yet another bad faith meme trying to make Biden look more friendly to the average American than he is.

In other news today we found out he never meant for Palestine to have it's own state. That was all lies. We know this because the cables leaked showing the US trying their damnedest to get other countries to vote against Palestinian Statehood. This couldn't possibly be a distraction from that, right guys?

If anyone's interested in actually good stuff Trump signed, two things off the top of my head are Right To Try Act and the Second Chance Act. He also opposed the renewal of the Patriot Act.

The First Step Act he signed reauthorized the Second Chance Act, which was Obama. Still a good thing though.
- What, Trumpers have to lie about good things he did?
  No way!
- Interesting, I didn't know that, thanks for clarifying!

He's also going to fix all ice cream machines nationwide.

Y'all left off "enabling genocide" for Biden. should definitely be before saving democracy.

Edit: also, you can't save something if it's already destroyed.

You really got downvoted for this? Lol, Lemmy is pretty fucking stupid.

Lowering admission standards is not helping the country, is dumbing it down.

I mean usually if you wanted to jerk off in front of other people, you'd pay like, an e-girl to watch you do it and give maybe a live football commentary or whatever. Guess shitposting also works though

Facebook leftist grandpa type meme

There isn't a leftist on earth praising Biden for "saving democracy"
This isn't even close to leftism lmao

I'm convinced that Lemmy is riddled with Russian bot farms trying to stir up shit. I'm mostly democrat and believe Biden is a net good over Trump, but I won't delude myself into thinking they care about me personally. How-fucking-ever, Trump is a literal threat to our democracy and if we can't rally against him by rallying for Biden, we're absolutely fucked. And you morons are just giving into this extreme lefty rhetoric because of people like Hasan? That mother fucker is a millionaire and lives like one too.

Lemmy is a worse echo chamber than reddit. I was proud when I came here during the API-bullshit and supported Sync for Lemmy but I can't do this shit any more. I'm actually embarrassed to come here and read all this anti Biden shit while you guys complain about roe v wade being overturned, billionaires (which trump made the biggest tax cuts in history to), Israel (which is somehow Biden's fault? 🤣).

I believe this post, OP. Whether you're trolling or not. Everyone else can go fuck yourselves. Go ahead and ban this one too, mods. Since we're not living in an echo chamber.

Many of us on the Left will vote for Biden because we're terrified of another Trump presidency but like to complain about how we resent having to do so. I want far more than dems give us. I want actual care for the people who make up our country. I know I'm not gettin' that, so I complain and vote for the less-bad of the two.
It's just so exhausting, right? Im with you 100% on this.
Suppose we survive Trump, 60-40 ish. Who comes next? Is every future election going to be a fight to keep democracy?
- Yes.
- it was 51-47 last time and it's been getting closer and closer each time.
  the fact that you don't know either of this despite it being available in a 5 second google search proves that we're screwed and going to have to keep doing this until there is no longer a "lesser evil" to vote for.
  EDIT: this isn't any kind of an indictment on you; i feel that your view is extremely common and felt the need to point that out.
Honestly, I think the left needs to lean into shit like this post. Just loudly pretend Biden is the best president ever and should be unanimously elected god-emperor of the earth for life. We can have the real adult discussion when some jurisdiction finally smacks Trump with something that'll bar him from office (or he kicks the bucket) and enough of the boomers have died off that the Republican party can't win purely by catering to the most deranged of them. Or at least wait until 2028 when we have Democrat primary.
I don't think that people are dumb, but most are too distracted, tired and disengaged to see "vote as harm reduction" as meaningful motivation to vote for someone. Nuance does not make for good propaganda, and while propaganda is distasteful, it's necessary.
Even if you're of the opinion that the only way to effect meaningful change is through violent revolution, the far left in this country does not have and is not in a position to co-opt the infrastructure necessary to do that, nor the widespread political support.
Counterpoint: lemmy is full of reddit bots making it seem like there's an echo chamber so that people abandon it to go back to reddit
Before the Reddit API exodus, Lemmy was a lot harder left leaning. Lemmygrad (literal communists) were the largest instance, and tankies on Lemmy.ml still make up a decent portion of the userbase. So don't be surprised that there's a lot more extreme viewpoints here.
Seems to happen more and more with the internet as a whole. There's always a douchebag or edge lord to come in and drop a post "bomb" just to watch ppl squirm. Hell I don't even think it's the internet that is bad, it's the ppl on it. Alot of us are sick in the head and it's depressing.

Don't you know if a president doesn't want to lick daddy Stalin's blood-strained boots they're no better than Hitler? Clearly, none of these facts matter.

Edit: either y'all don't understand sarcasm or tankies are pissed and I can't tell which.

It's the latter

You left 'exterminating Palestinians' off that last one.

I think it's only listed if it's different than the opposing party.
For Biden it's only an acceptable outcome (for some godforsaken fuckin reason which I won't defend in the slightest)
For Trump, punishing brown people is a core value he makes a priority of. Remember Muslim ban / family separation / moving the embassy to Jerusalem / "finish the job"?
Hi, Palestinian American here, stop fetishizing our corpses as an excuse to let the guy who wants the genocide to come here too into office.
Badna N3aesh.
Edit: fuckin' love the full mask off reply of
"The genocide of your people isn't about your people!"
Whitest bougeyvik bullshit I have ever witnessed put to keyboard, PoC aren't even allowed ownership of being genocided anymore if whitey doesn't like how we decide to respond to it.
- So you’re not gonna answer anymore huh? I can only assume that you’re a second generation immigrant and you’re not capable of actually speaking, let alone reading or writing in Arabic. If you’re indeed Palestinian go ask your parents what I wrote lmao. Machine translation is not gonna help you.
  Assuming that YOU indeed are who you claim, let me tell you something. Unlike you I actually grew up in Palestine and I’m Palestinian first. You seem to be first of all American and this whole Palestine thing is more of a thing where in high school you bring some Hommos and celebrate diversity. But we’re not some illusion of your assumed identity. We are real people living real lives, and we’re dying and being oppressed right now. This is happening at the hands of a genocidal maniac armed and supported by the current president Joe Biden. Many of my relatives and friends have died, my family has been displaced and lives in diaspora.
  Since you’re mainly American you won’t understand this, but if Biden isn’t willing to give up his die hard Zionist stance, we’re not gonna vote for him. If Trump wins the election and the US becomes a dictatorship, we will go somewhere else. We have left our lives behind and we’re prepared to do it again. And we’re not going to sacrifice ourselves because people like you are too afraid to give up their cushy American lifestyle.
- Thanks for saying this. The comments are crazy. Like it would be more convenient if you could be genocided after the election, because you know this genocide is kind of in the way of some other domestic issues we’re having. So if you could just let Biden have this one until after the election that’d be great.
  I take back everything. This guy makes no sense and I completely misunderstood the comment. And I don’t think he speaks Arabic but claims to speak for Palestinian Americans. L take.
- It's not just about you guys. If we let this slide then our laws about not supporting human rights violations are a dead letter. We have important domestic reasons for holding Biden's feet to the fire.
Da.

Geez...how could anyone care about genocide. Were gonna possibly get negotiated drug prices. That's the real deal.

If you want "both sidez", both sides supports the federal reserves which directly robs the poor and middle class and has been doing it for decades. But sure, taxes on the rich are really the problem!

Deep cut!
- I can point to how the federal reserve is harming the poor and middle class, and I think its important to recognize when your own side is fucking them.

Is anyone buying these lib propaganda memes? Carter is the one the screwed over the economy.

Carter, who was President for 4 Years Screwed up the economy by liberalizing the housing market
Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and Bush Sr, who ran the White House for 20 years had nothing to do with it
Please nobody ask what inflation was like between 1968 and 1992
- Yeah, it's probably better to go back to a lot of FDRs policies.
  Or the bipartisan effort to keep house prices by any means necessary. Such as by giving everyone who a fairly low interest home loan , which directly led to 2008.
Is anyone buying these right wing trolls pretending to be leftists?
- Yeah libs keep trying to pretend to be leftists, its annoying.
- Liberals you mean?
Lol, lib propaganda, ok Trumper