South Carolina executes second man by firing squad in 5 weeks

Rank Of Preferences of what I would most prefer to do after reading this, starting with most preferred!
be shot by a firing squad
die by lethal injection
visit south carolina

Barbaric idiots.
Death penalties don't help to fight crime, as has been proven over and over again.

I've had several surgeries in my life that required a general anesthetic. There is no excuse or justification, other than sadism, for suffering here. Shouldn't have the death penalty in the first place.
- Except for the fact they let him choose his method of executions. I mean, being against the death penalty in general is one thing, but the sentence was passed out and the convict chose that method.
  
  Choose between three painful methods.

Three bullets shot by a three man squad. State can't even afford more men and a conscience round.
- they're all equally responsible, fuck it, equitable execution.
- Executioners have no conscience.

Republicans love to kill.
- But they told me they're pro-life. What a monumental disparity, how do we proceed?
  
  Abort them.
- Pro-life. 🙄
  
  Pro-Life until you are born. Once you are born, you're fucked.
  -Rough George Carlin quote
  
  they are the answer to "anti-life" darkseid has been searching about.
- How long until these executions are televised live on Fox?
  
  public executions, probably will include multiple people. it would be pay-per -view
  
  Football stadiums have dual use now!
- Now they get to use more guns to do it. E: If guns aren’t good for killing people maybe they should use knives instead. Or baseball bats. Or cars. Or whatever other tool gun nuts say can be used.

I can't wait until we go back to stoning or burning at the stake. The US is going to undo the entire Reformation period.
- My money is on Massachusetts bringing back Pressing.
  
  More weight

I find all forms of capital retribution to be barbaric, in addition to having the problem of killing potentially innocent people. Add to that it's hard to argue that a justice-system can even exist when a prosecutor can just dangle the death penalty over a defendants head if they don't sign a plea.
-With all of that in mind I've always found the idea of a firing squad to be the least unappealing option out of all of the multiple unappealing options. Guns were specifically designed to effectively kill people with hundreds of years of iteration built into them. Our military and our Allies military sometimes even use them to kill children. a skilled shooter and a stationary target can make it quick. -At least, that's what I can imagine.

The can on "cruel and unusual punishment" had always been a farce.
- It is said that it has to be both {cruel && unusual} simultaneously to be unconstitutional. The more they carry out these "new methods" like nitrogen gassing the more 'usual' it becomes.
  
  well no, nitrogen gassings aren't "cruel", they're novel.
  What they mean when they say cruel and unusual is some shit like strapping a guy into a 2007 camry, sending it down a mountain into a fucking lake, until he drowns.

Honestly much better than lethal injection. Lethal injection is slow and tortuous but looks less violent.
I'd rather be give a fuck ton of herion and ran over with a bulldozer. If that's not available chop my head off
- I'm convinced lethal injection was intentionally designed to be agony, and torture. There are too many accounts by eyewitnesses of it not being peaceful, and painless.
  
  Afaik the process itself is fine, but it involves things like starting an IV and dosing, and people who are skilled in those kinds of things tend not to be the kind of people who are okay with assisting in an execution. So, the ones who end up doing it are basically cops with a syringe, and -big shock- fuck it up cuz they're either too stupid to do it correctly or too evil to want to.
  
  Létal injection work well in theory
  The problem is, skilled people don’t want to do it. And pharmaceutical companies don’t want their products used in it. So it’s done by unskilled people with a reduced access to products.
  
  Mainly because the drugs administered as anesthesia and loss of consciousness weren't enough and people botched them in myriad ways, from my current understanding.
- It sounds pretty freakin cruel to me but I'll just post this quote and link:
  source: Discover
  "The physician concluded based on his observations that a severed head could retain consciousness for 25 to 30 seconds."
  
  I'd assume with the spine severed like that you wouldn't feel much pain.
  Plus with lethal injection it's common for it to take hours. Just sitting their slowly drowning as your lungs fill with fluid. I'll take the 25 to 30 seconds
- I'll just take that heroin od
  
  Yeah, I've overdosed before, it's a swift, painless slide into the dark.
- https://youtu.be/lfsMMVgIToA
  
  The giant meat tenderizer is a nice touch.
- That's not a good story... Ask if they have a mallet!

Article about execution by firing squad.
Shows picture of an electric chair.
- I can't tell if it is specifically an electric chair from the tiny photo but I do know they don't shoot you standing up. You are strapped to a chair and shot sitting down.
  The article shows a pic of a lethal injection table so maybe SC isn't releasing photos of the execution chair.
- Larger version of the picture can be found here: https://apnews.com/article/execution-south-carolina-mikel-mahdi-8d0ca5a6dab1af35bea2f80ef6f6ca50
  Caption:
  This undated photo provided by the South Carolina Department of Corrections shows the state's death chamber in Columbia, S.C., including the electric chair, right, and a firing squad chair, left

I fould prefer this over drowning in lung fluid, or being slowly electrocuted also.
Heck, execution is preferable to how the average person lives their lives.
- I remember seeing some war footage or something of a guy being executed from a meter away by a truck mounted .50 caliper gun. His head just disappeared. After my initial, holy shit! why did I just watch that, I thought, I can't think of a better way to go. Minus the buildup.
  
  personally I don't believe in an afterlife. I do believe that once your organs cease to function your brains gets a cocktail boost that sets you into a fast dreamlike state. think of it like a naturally induced coma that you might never wake up from.
  in this state is when you have your "afterlife". I believe it's an evolved trait that allows the brain to survive as long as possible after a traumatic death.
  In my perspective, shooting a person in the head is just about the worst thing you can do because it robs them of those final moments where they could possibly live out an entire lifetime.
  I would much rather die naturally, but will gladly take a slow painful death that will guarantee me my final moments instead of a "blip you're dead forever" moment.

It's like we are going backwards
- When it comes to capital punishment, the US has really never been forwards.
- Ain't nothing "like" about it
- Y'all are most assuredly going backwards
- Make America great again... They never said how far back tho!

- The fucked up thing is that both of them CHOSE this. That’s how bad lethal injection can be
  
  also the companies are in europe so they started to stop giving it to the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanging_in_the_United_States
Currently, only New Hampshire has a law specifying hanging as an available secondary method of execution, now only applicable to one person, who was sentenced to capital punishment by the state prior to its repeal in 2019.
The hanging of Billy Bailey is likely to be the final hanging in the United States, considering that all three of the states that maintained hanging as a secondary method of execution alongside lethal injection after the 1976 restoration of the death penalty have now abolished executions. Delaware's Supreme Court declared the death penalty to be in violation of their state constitution in 2016,[21] Washington abolished executions in 2018,[22] and New Hampshire abolished executions in 2019.[23] However, the last person on death row in the three states is Michael K. Addison in New Hampshire, convicted in 2008 of the 2006 murder of Michael Briggs, an on-duty police officer. Should the state carry out Addison's execution, the method could be hanging if lethal injection was found unconstitutional or inefficient, or if he chooses to be executed by hanging.
Talk about a go-down-in-the-history-books opportunity.
- Since the last execution in New Hampshire was a botched hanging in 1939 that took 6 minutes for the guy to die, I kind of doubt the court would allow them to go through with that.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Long
  
  Lol, wait until the current admin threatens to withhold funds for not hanging X amount of criminals per month.

Seems like a guillotine would be far more humane. No 80 seconds of breathing - man that must be like an eternity of pain.
- Well, multiple scientists and doctors during the French Revolution reported that multiple victims maintained consciousness, briefly, after being beheaded, up to 30 seconds. One such incident happened in 1905, to a French criminal named Henri Languille. The French used the guillotine as the State method for executions up until 1981. The last beheading was in 1977.
  https://mikedashhistory.com/2011/01/25/some-experiments-with-severed-heads/
  In short, it's not painless, and does not cause instant unconsciousness. If that was the goal, they'd render the "criminal" unconscious before execution.
  But then, that's not the point, is it?
  
  So guillotine, but instead of a blade, just put a 2ft cube of steel to smash the entire head
  
  I don't believe up to 30 seconds is possible. A proper choke in judo can render a person unconscious in ~6 seconds. Looping the head off would be a complete cessation of blood flow, You probably would experience your head starting to roll into the basket, but you'd be long gone before you hit the bottom.
  
  is that sleep capsule used in assisted suicide for the terminally ill in some European countries too expensive? or is it a problem because that would be too peaceful?
  when I was in my 20s I overdosed on ambien because I wanted out, but was saved because I sleep walked and passed out outside and some people who knew me helped. It was painless and all I remeber was taking the pills and nothing after.
  
  What is the point?
- A modern justice system would be even better.

All killing is murder, states are just gangs big enough to have a PR team and the ability to indoctrinate the youth into following their rules.
Good on South Carolina for making that more plain.
- The state having a Monopoly on violence is sort of the point of a social contract. That being said I'm not a proponent of the death penalty. Life is sacred.
- All killing is murder
  homicide*
  Murder is just homicide that's illegal; and legality should never be conflated with morality. In any context, not just killing.
  Being sanctioned by the state doesn't make it moral; and being illegal doesn't make it immoral (and yes, homicide can be moral).
  
  I tell forced birthers even if I am murdering a conscious being, I'm justified in protecting myself from unnecessary, nonconsented harm

He chose this method? Are people THAT scared of needles that they’d prefer getting shot?
- It's the shit chemicals being injected that don't kill you for an hour that scares people.
  
  Potassium kills pretty fast
- I don't think you understand how unreliable the other execution methods are.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOn3wba8c-Y
  Getting shot in the heart/head is pretty fast.

The wheel of karma continues to turn.
- If only karma was real. We live in a world where evil thrives. Every now and then an evil fuck 'gets what's coming to them' but the vast majority of them live long and very prosperous lives, not just unimpaired, but actively enriched by their evil. Through their life of luxury, they enjoy an obscenely long lifespan and eventually croak in some unspectacular way. Karma is a nice daydream, but that's all it is.
  
  Karma is real. Just because it isn't instant doesn't mean it isn't. Karma is doing what "they" do to us, because they deserve it and we don't. Retribution. Then they gain power and repeat the cycle. Karma is the opportunity to learn: if it's wrong when someone does it to us, it's wrong when we do it to them. "They" are "you."
  Dharma is stepping off the wheel and seeking justice - balance, equitably, harmony. Because when one person levels up, it inspires someone else to put forth effort; and when another chooses to devolve, that inspires others to devolve.
  Re-education/rehabilitation, forgiveness, doing the work together is the path of dharma, mastering self first, and helping others to master themselves. Not doing it for them. Not having no clear and enforced boundaries. Truth is on a spectrum, too. That is, there is a tipping point where truth becomes lie. And retribution is that tipping point
  Put another way: wisdom without compassion of brutality. Compassion without wisdom is folly.
  Eta: This is the ignorance that leads to suffering that Buddha referenced. The necklace of skulls worn by Kali are the heads of ignorance she's severed. Om Krim Kalima!
- You think this is karma? Even if he was guilty of heinous shit, he deserves to rot in obscurity.
  Edit: to add an "if"
  
  I posted a reply to the other person's comment then accidentally hit delete rather than edit and had to repost it.

Is exsanguination painful? I understand the process by which a blood vessel itself is breached could cause localized pain of varying degrees, but assuming local anesthetic was applied at the extraction point, is the actual process of bleeding out physically painful?
- Shock, or loss of perfusion to the tissues, can be painful. The most common cause of angina pectoris is brief interruption of blood flow to the heart. That's the reason that heart attacks can be painful.
- The firing squad aims for the heart so there are definitely a couple seconds of pain but the body doesn't last long with the heart shredded.
  
  This guy lasted over 80 seconds coughing up blood.
- Exsanguination itself? No - it starves your brain of oxygen so you fall unconscious pretty quickly with enough flow.
  Getting enough flow to lose consciousness quicky? That's painful.
  
  Assuming local anesthetic was used to minimize the pain, a cut to the femoral artery might do it quickly. Google search says it only takes 3-5 minutes, sometimes less depending on the severity of the cut. Might be able to hasten things if you cut the femoral in each leg, too
  
  Well, if I'm ever executed, I hope all my blood and organs and whatever else can be harvested and donated to a children's hospital.

good, fuck every other kind of execution.
Obviously capital punishment isn't ideal. But this one actually works so lmao.
- The article said he laid gasping for breath for up to 80 seconds after taking the shots. What are you referring to as something that "actually works"?
  
  they just didn't shoot him enough

Really nothing inhumane about firing squad.
- /s right? ..... Please say /s
- In terms of execution methods. Not debating the morality of execution in itself.
  
  The guy took 80 seconds to die violently, coughing up blood, in immense pain.