Not a dragqueen
Not a dragqueen
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And the child of a cop.
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Can't wait to hear them say "well he donated $5 to the democratic party 10 eyars ago"
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He once made a tweet that vaguely criticised a Conservative figure. wOkE aGeNdA KiLLs AgAIn
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They’re asking if he was on anti-depressants. Everyone else is a murderer, terrorist, what have you. When it’s one of theirs? Just a misguided kid on SSRIs.
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Tbf, it's a common conspiracy theory that all of them (or at least a significant portion) are on SSRIs. I think it comes from a mix of
A. Some of them were iirc, but I'm not sure who. It's also possible it just was used as an excuse by a parent, or kid who didn't die in their shooting.
B. Simply just the fast part of the commercials that says "if you are experiencing suicidal or homicidal ideation while taking lexapro, talk to your doctor immediately.." and then people being people, that gets extrapolated into "the shooters are on SSRIs and this is why it happens." People are searching for answers as to the underlying causes, on both sides of the "gun bad" and "gun good" debate, the same way some focus on "if we got rid of guns" those that know "well my gun doesn't make me want to shoot up schools so it isn't the guns" but have never taken SSRIs might be more apt to blame the thing they're less familiar with, for instance.
C. Afaik, it hasn't actually been studied very well and actually could play a role in at least some of the incidents, but we don't "know." First of all, I think HIPAA presents some challenges in studying this, as I think even prisoners have the right to medical privacy. And on top of that I wouldn't be surprised to learn Big Pharma's lobbyists are hard at work making sure this is not well studied to the best of their ability, it's kinda just their MO to the degree I'd be surprised if they weren't doing that. Our pharma lobby is just as bad as tobacco about that, if not worse.
Personally, I'd actually like to see this possible link or lack thereof studied in depth myself, if for no other reason than to quell the conspiracy theory, or if a link is found then maybe we can do something about that, I think only good can come from at least just studying it.
The few studies that I have seen actually suggest there may actually be a link, but I don't know exactly how rigorous those were or if it's enough to indicate causation rather than simply correlation, and it's not specific to active shooters but simply "violent crime" (of which shootings are obviously one, but it could be "increased risk of simple assault, but not murder" without narrowing it down, who knows.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4570770/
With age and sex stratification, there was a significant association between SSRIs and violent crime convictions for males aged 15 to 24 y (HR = 1.40, 95% CI 1.13–1.73, p = 0.002) and females aged 15 to 24 y (HR = 1.75, 95% CI 1.08–2.84, p = 0.023). However, there were no significant associations in those aged 25 y or older.
Seems to suggest to me that at the ages these (typically male) shooters usually are, there actually may be a significant enough percentage to suggest a possible causation? I'd still like to see it studied further though, especially if it can be a study specifically regarding active shooter incidents, and also I'd like to know if "was taking them and stopped" plays a role over "is taking them currently" or vice versa. I think it's at least worth a look, especially considering this study itself concludes:
The increased risk we found in young people needs validation in other studies.
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Contrast with keying a car and being labeled a terrorist. By scratching a cybertruck, you become an enemy of the state—something a republican school shooter could never dream of.
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Or they find a post where he said something nice about Bernie Sanders.
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This state was literally concocted so slavers could violently enforce their disgusting privilege.
This is what fascism is. This kid is a real american.
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Young white men are being indoctrinated with 24/7 propaganda telling them they are the real victims
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What/Where is this propaganda?
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Its the lifeblood of the Conservative Propaganda Machine.
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Check Adolescence https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/adolescence for a drama on the topic.
Warning: VERY dramatic.
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You must be a victim.
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Social media, podcasts and media
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I see you've never heard of Fox News.
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Who could have seen this coming
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They were saying he was an illegal all over MAGAtard social media. Until the facts came out. Then they started deleting in mass to cover up their lies.
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He’s probably getting a pardon and an ice position
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And ice cream with the cops
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I was recently thinking it's says a lot about a culture, where kids shoot up schools regularly, but immigrants getting a terrible treatment never seem to shoot up an ICE office or other government building.
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People in US culture want to think this is a product of white christian men getting hurt and isolated to the point that the poor innocent souls wander into committing a school shooting.
The negative mental health is only part of the equation and isn't even critical to it, what IS critical is teaching christian white men that they have the inherent right given who they are to commit violence and nobody else does.
This is why you see that "incongruity".
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I think both are part of the same culture to be honest, they are just in very different positions both pushed to an extreme situation (the kids shooting up schools and the government officials threating immigrants like crap). Personally I believe you get what you give and this is the result of a society that is getting what it has been giving (or not giving, really). Really sad situation where a lot of people get way less than they deserve (the parents of the killed kids, the children of the deported families etc)
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This is a weird way for me to find out about another shooting
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It wasn't as bad as some (2 dead, 6 injured).
He originally started with a shotgun but it jammed without firing a shot. He grabbed a pistol from his vehicle and fired into the bystanders.
Police were on scene quickly (FSU is always crawling with plain clothes officers and unmarked cars) and shot and wounded the shooter.
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Oh, what a fucked up world we live in that we see a school shooting as “not so bad, all things considered”…
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If that happened in my country it would be huge news and all anyone in the country would talk about for weeks.
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That pistol he grabbed from the vehicle...
...was his Mom's old service pistol.
His Mom was a school resource officer and later deputized into the Leon County Sheriffs.
https://www.newsweek.com/fsu-shooter-leon-county-deputy-phoenix-jessica-ikner-2061301
In a news conference hours after the first reports of the active shooting were announced, Leon County Sheriff Walt McNeil identified the suspect.
"The shooter is 20-year-old Phoenix Ikner ... and he is the son of a Leon County sheriff's deputy," McNeil said.
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According to Revell during the news conference, Jessica Ikner [the shooter's mother] is a school resource officer in Leon County. The county sheriff's office website lists her as a "middle schools deputy."
Deputy Ikner was awarded law enforcement employee of the month in March 2024, the sheriff's office posted on Facebook.
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[The Shooter] was "a long-standing member" of the Leon County Sheriff's Office Youth Advisory Council, McNeil said during the news conference.
"He has been steep in the Leon County Sheriff's Office Family," McNeil said, adding that it is "not a surprise" that Ikner had access to weapons.
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(apologies for possibly paywalled link, try internet archive if its blocked for you)
Phoenix Ikner, a 20-year-old son of a sheriff’s deputy whom police accuse of using his mother’s gun, is in police custody after being identified as a suspect in a shooting on Florida State University’s campus Thursday, which killed two people and injured at least six others.
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Jessica Ikner, a beloved Raa Middle School student resource deputy, was the 2023 law enforcement officer of the year with the Leon County Sheriff’s Office.
She also practiced shooting with her stepson, Phoenix, at a firing range, but “not in an official capacity,” according to LCSO.
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Yeah so this guy was trained to shoot by his armed-with-a-firearm, middle school guard / county deputy mom, and he then took his mom's service pistol to shoot up his own school/uni.
I can't find more details on the shotgun, but it could also be the case that that is or was a service weapon as well... but that is barely informed speculation on my part, I just know that a lot of US cops also have a shotgun in their cruiser.
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Local law enforcement was having a training session very close by. That and the fact the shooter was the son of a Sherrif deputy are the reasons you could hear them blowing themselves over their fast response the whole time. Not that the fucker was putting up all the red flags for fucking years while being heavily involved in local law enforcement and constantly around guns.
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FSU is always crawling with plain clothes officers and unmarked cars
Wait what the fuck?
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Thoughts and prayers
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Definitely not my first time finding out this way, which is even weirder
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“He’s just a bad apple”
“Lone wolf”
“Let’s talk about mental health”
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"Okay, what can we do for mental health?"
"Nothing or genocide/restablish the patriarchy, fuck you lib"
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"We need Jesus in schools!"
No joke, I've heard people say that exact thing in response. That taking God out of schools is what started all this, so if there was more prayer in school, we wouldn't have shootings.
Yeah, because nobody does mass shootings in religious places.
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"He should have gotten a job with health insurance so he can afford therapy!"
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The poor kid was clearly driven insane by the wokeness surrounding them. Better ban pronouns.
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Bad apple from the 250-year-old Southern Orchard.
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“Homegrown criminal” off to El Salvador with you! Right Donny? Right?!
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And his mom is a police officer.
And he used one of her unsecured guns.
In a system where we want to discourage this we need to hold the parents accountable.
I think a life sentence for each life her son took is fair, for her and her son.
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irresponsible gun owning parents, who literally put firearms into the hands of their homicidal children, need to be held accountable for these tragedies.
dozens of mass shootings in recent years, especially school shootings, were absolutely preventable. if only these fucking lazy stupid ass adults would stop fetishizing guns for 2 seconds, long enough to store their weapons securely like a sane responsible person. or they could, idk, maybe steer their mentally disturbed crotch goblin towards a more pro-social, harmless activity?
firearm ownership is a responsibility too few take seriously.
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The NRA has entered the chat.
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Why not life sentences for grand parents too? Uncles and aunts? Doctors, teachers..
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If a gun owner’s gun is used in a murder, the owner should be charged with second-degree murder, full stop. When you own a gun, it is your responsibility to keep and secure it properly. I don’t care if it’s stolen or whatever, that gun is ultimately the responsibility of the owner. That’s the social contract when acquiring a device whose sole purpose is to kill.
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I'm sorry context is such an issue for you
It must be hard
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Curious that this is still happening even though Musk has killed the woke mind virus and these guys have won forever.
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Weird how that keeps happening.
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I want to stress that it has absolutely nothing, I repeat, nothing at all to do with gun "culture" and easy access to guns.
Nothing at all. Promise!
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"Nothing we can do about it, says the only nation in the world where this happens regularly"
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The Onion should copy the White House and just start scribbling through the mass shooting article headline they repost each time with red crayon.
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the word is 'terrorist'
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Um, actually, the tweet clearly says "Florida State University" not "Tesla Cybertruck" so no this wasn't actually an act of terrorism, it was just a peaceful protest instead
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you mean 'troubled young man' ? /sarc
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Hmmm. Maybe if there were less guns around....
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Careful... You'll enrage the gun lovers who will tell you how important having a gun right now is while also not using the guns right now for the intended purpose of feeding the liberty tree. There is no difference between a coward and a coward with a gun.
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Haha. That's fair. I'm also not American, so gun control is slightly different where I am.
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It’s not a good idea to not have guns these days
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Gonna gloss over this one, just another day in paradise
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I was gonna say don’t you guys have like 1-2 mass shootings a day in the states? Not trying to be facetious here, genuinely asking. Because if it was like that in my country I’d have to become numb about it or go insane.
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Not like this, where random people are targeted by someone lashing out indiscriminately. Most of the statistics on mass shootings are gang related. These ones hit a little different so they are much bigger stories.
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Well we don't know because the republiQan party has maintained for a long time that the government explicitly not track them.
Who knows why? It's a mystery!
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I don't think it's quite 1-2/day. But for a tiny bit of context there was one at a high school in Dallas either yesterday or the day before.
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I am absolutely numb to the shootings to a degree The amount of gun crime in America you would think we should all personally know someone who has been shot at before.
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Yes, but you also can't compare Netherlands to the USA apples to apples. You could maybe compare 2 New Jersey's to the Netherlands in terms of density and size, and yeah Netherlands would easily win, but I guess I'm just trying to say that the USA is closer a group of countries in a continent, than a bunch of states in a country.
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Prosecute the parents. They know they raised a shit kid. This is not an accident but a consequence.
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He is 20yo. He s not a child. You don't emprison people because their adult kid did some shit
You are saying nonsense
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It's an interesting idea I don't necessarily disagree with, but while we're adding more people to our prison system, what other offenses are eligible?
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almost like the groups mentioned are scarecrows for their rhetoric 🤔
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I was looking for that image!
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Imagine that! Who’d’ve thought?
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I don't even check anymore.
It's entirely clear to me why these happen too.
Once you get into the headspace of a MAGA disillusionment is inevitable. In fact, i probably went through it and called it my fuck up phase.
But you know what. It takes real energy to hold up that reality. It's also trying to starve you out, denying you any sound advise from anyone ever, treatments for serious mental illness, and ever increasing weight of more and more responsibilities: career, student loan debt, children, mortgage, personal health. It's not even trying to break you, it wants to crush you. And if you're losing at capitalism you're going to spin out.
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What a stunning and brave thread
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Like your comment history or even braver still?
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Is this where we say: "this wouldn't have happened if Florida controlled guns like a blue state!" And then offer thoughts and prayers? Seems like how it goes with the shoe on the other foot.
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I'm not aware of any blue state with an effective gun control system. And I'm not saying that to dunk on Dems but as a general observation of the US as a whole.
And aren't "thoughts and prayers" a conservative thing to do? I'm a bit confused by your comment, it's giving mixed messages.
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yeah our gun control laws suck. even if you are on the side of control, if you look at what we do, how, and why, you will have to admit our gun regulations are dumb.
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There's actually no significant political trend or ideology in active shooters they run the gamut politically and ideologically and religiously.
But you're right it was not a drag queen. 😃
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Hate to be so cliche, but got links? My duckduck searches def highlighted white males, but I couldnt find much about idealogy/politcal trends in our active shooters.
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/1384790/motivations-of-mass-shooters-us/
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-08-07/what-role-does-ideology-play-in-mass-shootings
Here are just two sources from a preliminary search.
You are correct the extreme vast majority like in the 94th percentile are white males that commit mass shootings.
I was able to find that a lot of them have links to extremism specifically right wing extremism but ultimately almost all of them again in the 90th percentile were suicidal in a state of crisis and had some sort of mental illness coupled with all of that.
The actual primary reason why they shootings happen is due to mental illness almost exclusively.
There's definitely some correlation between right-wing extremism and even more specifically magas but not enough to exclusively blame the shootings on that.
Supplementary, I did find one or two not very good sources that indicate there have been an uptick of mass shootings specifically due to Donald Trump's re-election. But like I said these were not good sources.
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Bending reality to fit your cult views. Would love some sources or data to back that up. But you magats don't give that.
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I donno man. Maybe do a Google search, heck ask chatgpt if you're super lazy.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-08-07/what-role-does-ideology-play-in-mass-shootings
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1384790/motivations-of-mass-shooters-us/
But here you go. Sources.
Since I'm not lazy I'll just go ahead and tell you what the results of those sources are.
The extreme vast majority of mass shooters are white males are mentally ill, suicidal and are in a state of crisis days or hours before the shooting occurs.
Extremism plays a role in the shootings but not necessarily right wing extremism although in recent years there has been a small uptick in right wing extremist motivated shootings.
None of the sources good ones or bad ones link specifically magas to mass shootings although there have been Mass shooters that identified as such. There have also been plenty of mass shooters that identified as extremist left wing.
The LA times article goes into detail specifically about that.
I highly recommend you stop making assumptions about random people you comment to on the internet.
One day many many decades and centuries from now internet archaeologists are going to be looking at this exchange and you're going to come off as extremely ignorant.
What's more is that you don't give a crap about the mass shooters you just want Mass shooters to fit your world view which is apparently that all magas are bad which exemplifies your ignorance.
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how dare you try to implant a tracking device into my rectum i will have your bladder removed for this you hostile invader
since we're making random accusations against you that have nothing to do with the comment you made
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Thank you. I made my night! 😂😂
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Stop calling them mass shootings
They are ambush-skirmishes carried out by irregular soldiers of the fascists.
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Terror attacks
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