The New Video of Federal Agents Ambushing a Student and Disappearing With Her Should Chill You to Your Core

Can we stop talking about "we should, we should"? Who is actually doing?
The time for talk was over November 4th, but it is beyond over now - arm yourself, period.
Where are the community resources for community building and fighting against ICE tactics - this is what the internet is for? Who is running the underground railroad? Why are every single one of us not educated on TOR and VPNs? Who are we primarying? What are the plans for removing propaganda from our real life communities?
There are no accessible answers to these questions - this is unacceptable, and we get this in order now. No one is coming to save us, we must do it ourselves. We have a 2 month window between now and when the most in-person activity will happen (summer).
P.S. Everyone screams at the gun owners and politicians about why they won't do anything. But why would they? They'll basically throw their lives away for nothing - especially when the people they claim to fight for are so fucking spineless.
If this woman can have her First Amendment RIGHT stripped and arrested in the street by plain clothes, and every single person in this country isn't rioting, guns and laws will not fix it.
P.S P.S If you are not from America and are in a relatively free country, one of the best things you can do is host the resources for fighting the Nazis. American companies, individuals, and organization are automatically compromised.
If are an American, create an onion service or host using an EU VPS and domain registar.

Our inner child will refuse to believe this, but history has shown us that fascists cannot be stopped peacefully.
Concealed carry might be our only real defense in the future

The government revoked Tufts doctoral student Rumeysa Ozturk's visa due to her pro-Palestinian activism, according to Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who added the State Department may have revoked more than 300 student visas since the beginning of the second Trump administration.
"It might be more than 300 at this point. We do it every day. Every time I find one of these lunatics, I take away their visa," Rubio said during a press conference in Guyana on Thursday.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/tufts-students-visa-revoked-due-activism-rubio/story?id=120226954

Remember the outrage when stuff like that happens in China?
Ever since living there a few years back, I keep saying how your two countries are so fucking similar, and it getting truer every day.

This is fascism

“We’re the police relax” says the gestapo mother fucker disappearing people
- Things that someone who isn't the police would also say.
  
  "Uh yes it's me, the police. Come with us. Whatsamatter, don't you believe in police?!"

Most Americans: Yeah but it didn't happen to me.

For the record, and I know I'm not the first to say it, this woman committed NO crime. She didn't overstay a visa, she didn't protest illegally. She wrote something the administration didn't like.
For that, she was arrested by 8 masked officers in the middle of the street, in broad daylight. She was thrown in the back on an unmarked SUV. She's received no legal representation. No trial. Not even charges, because again, she committed no crime.
Americans, you realize you're watching the death of your rights and the rule of law, right? You have no illusions about the fact that you are defenseless? There is no longer any guardrail between you and an El Salvadoran prison camp. In something that reminds me very much of Stalin, an accusation is now a conviction.
- Defenseless is a good word, it seems like we're all just waiting for a savior to show up and rescue us. It doesn't help that a large amount of Americans see protest as pointless right now. What it feels like is the bystander effect on a national level.
  The worst part is how many people either support or just brush it off.
  
  After all that trashing of Russians and why they do not fight against their government, the world gets to see that Americans are basically the same: so many fall for the dumbest possible propaganda and the rest is either afraid or apathetic.
  
  Americans see protest as pointless right now.
  Americans have seen a generation of peaceful protests that were crushed and villified. Anti-WTO, Anti-Iraq War, Occupy Wall Street, George Floyd, etc; all failed to achieve any of their stated goals.
  And now that the fascists have taken control, peaceful protest is even less effective. For peaceful protest to succeed your opponent must have empathy, and fascists have none.
  The last protest movement that accomplished something substantial was the civil rights movement. It was not peaceful, it was militant. I think we need a modern Black Panther Party.
  
  It doesn’t help that a large amount of Americans see protest as pointless right now.
  It's the wheel of life:
  Protests help something, but they are hard, violent, inconvenient, people die, money is lost, but they achieve goals and generally people know that protests and breaking everything around is necessary. Cutting infrastructure, beating officials (including police) to pulp, closing roads. Stopping factories (ok, that's not a problem in the first world), stopping trucks and trains, stopping mail. Causing blackouts.
  To avoid that, people talk. They form mechanisms to avoid real protests, but these mechanisms are dependent on real protests. Like gold standard - it's supported by circulation, so if you can't fall back to gold, you can't really call it gold standard. It's the same with protests. Real democracy is dependent on falling back to protests and just killing a few of the government jerks who think they are some kind of thief aristocracy.
  People have long, really long period of questions being resolved by talking. And if it comes to protests, these are soft protests and they - mistake - become too subject for discussion, like let's not go to those streets, let's not hurt businesses, let's follow these rules and obey police.
  People get used to that.
  The protest gold standard is in fact abolished, you've been softly and slowly made a serf, congratulations.
  Try protesting now, you'll get absolutely abused for doing pretty normal things.
  OK, I'm from Russia, here people looked at tanks on the streets of Moscow in a few crises and decided they are smart and wise to follow rules made by thieves and murderers.
  
  There have been weekly protests of this shit across the country since the asshole was elected. It’s not helping. And even the “opposition party” is capitulating to the bullshit. What else are we supposed to do?
- She also had her visa revoked so can no longer legally stay in the USA to complete her studies, or enter again. This was because she wrote an op-ed disapproving of Israel's genocide.
- Remember "Better be Russian than a democrat" guys? Well, now they're Russian!
- You have no illusions about the fact that you are defenseless?
  We have guns. Lots of guns.
  Everyone needs to arm themselves and train.
  
  I suspect your government would love it if you started shooting. They'd declare martial law. Goodbye elections, hello police state.
  
  I had a decent amount I got back from taxes that I intentionally spent. I'm mentally ill. I'm off my meds because I cant risk withdrawl from going back on them only to have RFK take them away again. I'll lose my job. It doesnt pay enough for me to get by anyway. If I kept that money, I know I would have bought that gun. And I would have used it on myself.
  I'm still not sure I did the right thing spending myself into this hole to keep a gun away. I know using it on my oppressors wouldnt likely succeed. I'm more likely to use it on myself.
  I still dont know if it was the right thing to do to not buy the gun.
  
  Your guns don't compare to the guns the government use. Nor do you have the numbers to resist even if equally armed. If the 1/3 of voters that didn't vote, actually voted for for Harris, you wouldn't be in this mess but there you are.
- We .need to arm ourselves and shoot fuckers like this. If you see fuckets like this trying to take someone intervene and shoot to kill. We need rise up. Because yes we are next.
  
  Just start by protesting, protecting, and block them from doing this shit when possible. If you go directly full terrorist mode, it means they won...
- For the record, and I know I'm not the first to say it, this woman committed NO crime.
  Ozturk
  The state rests it's case.
- She wrote something the administration didn't like.
  What was written?
  
  She expressed anti-Palestinian genocide sentiments.
  In New America that gets you disappeared by masked thugs.
  
  A couple of op-eds for a Student newspaper criticizing Israel? I thought I saw the pieces linked earlier but I don't see them now. The article linked on this post says it supported a student divestment program and referenced the International Criminal Court calling attacks on Gaza a genocide.
  Hardly spicy compared to your average social media post.
  
  https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2024/03/4ftk27sm6jkj
- Yes.
  America has always been more or less of a fascist state, and this is not new activity, although it is worse and more brazen in a lot of ways. Civil Rights for ethnic minorities has always been pretty iffy.
  30% of the country loves this shit, and another large fraction doesn't even know it's going on. A lot of us are working to try to change things. The media is not covering all of the demonstrations, but we definitely need more people to get angry.
- Also, this is just the rehearsal until they go for political opponents with American citizenship.
- What the fuck do we do? I’m in a hyperliberal city in one of the few blue states left. We are relatively safe for now. I make a comfortable amount of money that I use to support my wife and friends who sometimes may not have necessities. I cannot risk my job by taking every day off to protest. Protests also seem meaningless to go to for me in my city because they’re happening in a safer city.
  I am donating to the ACLU every month, but idk what else we can be doing. What can we be doing?
  
  Organize armed protests. Connect in your neighborhood, so if this shit goes down, and it will start going down in your neighborhood soon enough, people can show up, free the victim and bog down the attackers.
  
  Time for Canada to annex Pacific Coast states(at least) then we can live in a functioning democracy again.

This is horrifying. This person broke no laws. If Trump is doing this to valid green card holders for exercising their first amendment rights, then we are one degree of separation from Trump doing this to U.S. citizens who criticize him.
It's only going to continue getting worse. Make an exit plan if you haven't already.
- Starts with green card holders, then it progresses to those who weren't born in the US via denaturalization (as the administration has already started with), and finally it gets to all citizens. The people cheering for this are the ones who don't realize that the leopards will eat their faces sooner or later as well.
  I don't know if it's related to the culture of American exceptionalism, that people are so used to the idea that they're special and that they won't be affected, that they never even stop to consider the possibility.
  
  I don’t know if it’s related to the culture of American exceptionalism
  It’s because they don’t know it’s happening. My Fox watching dad or ABC/CNN watching Mom will never see this. Some younger relatives I have will never see this. My prepper aunts/uncles will never see this.
  I keep saying this over and over again, but… it’s the algorithm. It’s the information environment.
  
  they aren't those people though.
  There have already been articles of Trump voters blindsided that their spouses have been deported acting shocked like his policies wouldn't affect them because they thought their relatives were the "good ones" of those people. As if that adminstration isn't just a cudgel they all wanted in the first place...
- My one viable exit plan went up in smoke today. Then I spent a while crying because I don’t know what to do. I’ve made a list of what to pack if I had to leave at a moment’s notice and I keep searching for other potential avenues out (before it gets extra-crazy), but it is not easy.
  
  Sorry to hear that, bud. If it's any consolation, I think the media is making it seem like these sorts of events are more commonplace than they actually are, and the Trump administration is so incompetent that they are actually lagging far behind the Biden administration who set the record for most deportations in a single term.
  That being said, it's not the quantity, but the brazen unlawfulness of each and every one of these extrajudicial deportations that is the concerning part. We're still only 2 months into this administration and it feels like a year has passed already with the absolute blitz of unlawful and corrupt conduct coming from the White House.
  I'm not ready to give up the fight just yet, but I feel like true civil war is inevitable at this point unless by some miracle there are adults out there with the gumption to take the wheel back from Trump and Musk and start steering the ship in the right direction again while there's still time.
  Stay strong and keep your chin up. As long as your are prepared one step ahead of everyone else, you'll likely be okay. Even if that's just making sure you have a bag packed and ready to go at a moment's notice.

The exact thing they used to say China did!

So they're revoking student visas without telling the students?

Look at their body language.
These aren't law enforcement professionals detaining a suspect.
These are Nazi Brown Shirt thugs ganging up on a fucking PhD student.
This country is nosediving HARD. Arm yourselves. I would never allow plain-clothed thugs to push me into an unmarked van and take me to a secondary location. You are fighting for your life at that point for all you know.
- I want to respond with something. But everything I write is so fucking dark and violent. Here goes, I'll try again:
  If I were in Nazi Germany, and I saw this go down- a Jew or disabled or protester getting disappeared- and these Nazi brown shirts were shot and killed, or beaten to a pulp with metal bars, fucking stomped to death, I think it would be just.
  
  Not just just. The only good ending to that story.
- As much as I agree, resisting is likely going to escalate the situation beyond what most people are willing to deal with.
  Face it, very few people have the knowledge and skill required to even put up a fight against anyone that is prepared for that encounter.
  I get why the victim here didn't really fight back. I get why she let them take her away. I understand the fear she was probably feeling in that moment, and it can be paralysing for someone who isn't prepared to fight for their life and doesn't have the knowledge, skill, or experience required to handle the situation.
  To be clear: I'm not saying this victim is dumb, inexperienced, or lacks general life experience, I would argue quite the opposite, in fact. The problem is that they don't have the knowledge, skill, and experience with confrontations. I'm certain, beyond any doubt, that this person was very intelligent, skilled and experienced; just not with physical confrontation.
  This is shameful behavior. Why did they feel the need to ambush a bookworm? Not to insult them so all but they are clearly more of an intellectual person than a combative person.
  Disclaimer: I'm not American, I'm just empathetic to those that get disappeared in the middle of the day by people wearing all black without so much as a badge being flashed.
  
  Escalation is the point. People weren't upset when police beat and harassed people.
- It's a tough call honestly. So far it doesn't seem like they are killing the people they take. If the person was armed, and tries to use it to defend themselves, they very likely will get killed. As other have commented, these appear to be basically thugs. Likely with less training then police officers, and certainly with less oversight. So people need to choose what they want to avoid most. Death, or incarceration with a chance of getting out. I would hate to have to make that choice myself.
  
  The killing starts when they become more confident that there won't be any consequences for their actions.
- Nazi? You, sir, are ridiculous and have no sense of nationalism. Hamas, who would not have your back or mine, is quite obviously the problem in Palestine, and this PhD student (as if that makes a difference) is supporting the wrong side. The US is revoking visas of Hamas supporters. Hence, she's being detained to ultimately have her visa revoked. What part of that aren't you following?
  
  We got a Nazi here.
  
  What part of that aren’t you following?
  The part where she isn't a hamas supporter, and was abducted by the secret police for writing an op-ed on how Tufts should divest money from Israel.
  
  We have due process in this country. If you don't like that, then fuck off.
  
  Nazism isn't nationalism. Loving your country doesn't mean you silence those that disagree with you and "detain" anyone that doesn't look like you.

Makes me wonder if it would be a good idea to take down my "Hate has no home here" flag, that is prominently displayed in my yard.
We live in a very diverse neighborhood, and I'm happy to have this flag up. But I don't need any billy-jackoffs coming around causing a fuss, or worse.

This is inexcusable. Permanent residents of this country are historically entitled to the first amendment.
If they can change that precedent, then there's little standing in the way of anyone else.
- There is nothing standing in the way of anything else. They can disappear you, your parents, your children, and your friends. They can send you to a work camp in El Salvador and there is nothing anyone can do for you once you are there.
  Keep tabs on your loved ones. Have a plan for if the gestapo shows up at your home. If you can leave, it's time to strongly consider it. This is the equivalent to somewhere from 1933 to 1936. Basically no one in the camps from those years survived to VE day.

Type of shit they tell you to expect in China, except its the USA
- It's the kind of thing that happened in Nazi Germany.
  
  Yep. People just disappearing. There are already a lot of reports. Its straight up facism at work. Thats terrifying.
  
  Beside the fact, that the SA never worn face masks. You still have time to fight against this, the moment these people will not wear any masks anymore, you'll live in a fully fascist country.
  
  And chicago, for years now
- hey kind of a random question but there is a tankie on my groupchat that i want to send proof of china disappearing people can you show me something i can send her to shut her up about how good china is?
  
  June 4th 1989
  
  It sounds as if you're frustrated at her for not recognizing that people disappear in China, sometimes people like critics of the government. Do you think there's absolutely nothing good that China does?

AP's article mentions that Ozturk was posted on this website, https://canarymission.org/
After the op-ed was published, Ozturk’s name, photograph and work history were published on the website Canary Mission, which describes itself as documenting people who “promote hatred of the U.S.A., Israel and Jews on North American college campuses.”
'Tis a spooky place. No names, none of the articles have bylines, contact is just a webform, domain registration is anonymized, donation link is being washed thru some company called RTech Digital Marketing out of India.
Really got me wondering, who the fuck are these people and why do they seem to have ICE's ear.
- Canary Mission is run by Jonathan Bash who also runs an Israeli nonprofit.
  https://www.influencewatch.org/organization/canary-mission/
  They have ICE’s ear because a board member of that nonprofit considers Stephen Miller a close friend.
  https://forward.com/news/411881/documents-reveal-men-behind-megamot-shalom-mysterious-charity-tied-to/
  From that link:
  One of the board members, an American-born Jerusalem resident named Rabbi Ben Packer, operates an ideological hostel in Jerusalem’s Old City that sends its lodgers to volunteer at illegal West Bank settlements. According to a Haaretz report, Packer distributes the literature of Rabbi Meir Kahane, the Israeli politician whose party was outlawed for racism in 1988. Packer says he is a friend of Stephen Miller, the Trump administration official who pushed to have families separated at the U.S. border.
  “Stephen Miller is not just my friend, he’s not just our friend, HE IS US!” Packer wrotein a 2016 column. “He is part of that new proud generation, no longer relegated to the fringe. His appointment is spectacular news for the Jewish People and he should be blessed with everything to do great things!”
- Seem like modern day SA
- I don't know if this is everywhere but here in Egypt this website just gives you a
  "You are not allowed to access this website"
  Which sounds slightly ominous

Terrifying

Did we just watch a woman get abducted by sex traffickers?
- Assuming they're federal agents, then yes.
  
  Can you give me more information about federal agents doing sex trafficking?
- If unmarked, unidentified people start grabbing at random students, you have the responsibility to intervene. Police must wear clothing that identifies them, show a badge, or be accompanied by uniformed officers..... Otherwise, just shouting I'm the police isn't good enough for me.
  
  Not to defend it, but it looks like at least two of them have a badge hanging around their neck.
- Given the reports coming out of the detention camps: yes.

Ozturk’s lawyer later said she hadn’t been able to contact her and had no idea of her whereabouts.
America, the land of the free... Right?
- Remember when conservatives were all like fear mongering that Obama was going to do this to them? It was always projection.
- Who ever told you that is your enemy.
  
  Link to the song, for those who don't know the reference.
  
  The two following lines are very relevant too
  Now something must be done About vengeance, a badge, and a gun
- Free to the power of the people in uniform!
  
  Or people not in uniform seemingly. Easiest time ever to actually kidnap people: Get your thugs together, get a van, kidnap your target person from the street, while yelling "shut up, we are the police". Outcome is essentially the same

We've become so complacent. A unified community would have intervened, violently if necessary. I would love nothing more than to see a crowd of folks popping out of houses and cars and surrounding these terrorists at gunpoint.
- This happened in my country in 2021: https://youtu.be/ZZcoXdZeabA No guns involved, just a load of people prepared to stand around all day blocking the vans.
  Get yourselves organised.
  
  Boy, the comments on that video are a treat
- A unified community
  That's just it, we've lost all touch on what it means to be a community. Strangers that we happen to be around or live around isn't a community. To have a community, you need to have shared roots and bonds: grew up together, work together, hold festivals together, have shared spaces that you work together to improve, etc.

What was fascinating, or perhaps horrific is a better word, about the article that I didn't know about is the brief mention of "The Canary Mission"
Here's from their about page:
Canary Mission documents individuals and organizations that promote hatred of the USA, Israel and Jews on North American college campuses and beyond. Canary Mission investigates hatred across the entire political spectrum, including the far right, far left and anti-Israel activists.
Canary Mission is motivated by a desire to combat the rise in anti-Semitism on college campuses. We pursue our mission by presenting the words and deeds of individuals and organizations that engage in anti-Semitism, racism and bigotry on the far right, far left and among the array of organizations that comprise the anti-Semitic Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement.
Essentially they gather dossiers on private individuals that they claim are anti-semitic. So, I looked up the woman that was taken off the street like a Ukrainian draft-dodger.
https://canarymission.org/individual/Rumeysa_Ozturk
Rumeysa Ozturk engaged in anti-Israel activism in March 2024, in the wake of the Hamas terrorist attacks on Israelis on October 7, 2023.
Ozturk is a supporter of the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement.
What was the anti-Israel activism, you ask? I figured it was some sort of protest. Sort of like the one in New York where they occupied a building.
Nope
On March 26, 2024, Ozturk co-authored an op-ed published in the Tufts Daily newspaper titled: "Try again, President Kumar: Renewing calls for Tufts to adopt March 4 TCU Senate resolutions." The authors urged "President Kumar and the Tufts administration to meaningfully engage with and actualize the resolutions passed by the Senate."
The op-ed referred to the passing of anti-Israel resolutions by the Tufts Community Union (TCU) Senate, which demanded the University "...acknowledge the Palestinian genocide, apologize for University President Sunil Kumar’s statements, disclose its investments, and divest from companies with direct or indirect ties to Israel."
At Tufts university, the Community Union Senate (not really sure what this is. a student council or something) passed a 3/5ths majority resolution urging the president of the university to
acknowledge the Palestinian genocide
apologize for some statements, I don't know what
disclose its investments
divest from companies with direct or indirect ties to Israel
She co-wrote an op-ed essentially demanding the president follow the resolution that was passed. That's the "anti-Israel activism" she's guilty of. I suppose that's enough to be deported. Be careful out there guys. If you aren't a citizen, shut up about your political views until you are. Because there are eyes out there watching everything you do. Even if you are.. consider what you are doing. You may be making an enemy of a vindictive state that is willing to break the rules.
Here's the op-ed, in case you're interested: https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2024/03/4ftk27sm6jkj
These resolutions were the product of meaningful debate by the Senate and represent a sincere effort to hold Israel accountable for clear violations of international law. Credible accusations against Israel include accounts of deliberate starvation and indiscriminate slaughter of Palestinian civilians and plausible genocide.
Lock 'em up, I guess. If you believe that Palestinian civilians have a right to life then you are a terrorist-sympathizer in this administration's opinion.
- i don't disagree. i think this one specifically is currently taking aim at muslims specifically while the other was more generalized
- This is frightening.
- Why isn't Musk on there?
  
  where?

A Department of Homeland Security spokesperson later claimed Ozturk “engaged in activities in support of Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization.” The person said Ozturk, who is from Turkey, had had her student visa revoked.
To be perfectly clear, Ozturk is not accused of breaking the law. The Department of Homeland Security hasn’t bothered to explain its reasoning, but several outlets reported that Ozturk co-authored a student opinion piece urging Tufts to recognize the International Court of Justice’s declaration of a “plausible risk of genocide” unfolding in Gaza and to divest from Israel. You can read the article if you like. It does not mention Hamas.
WT actual F? A school opinion piece gets you disappeared??
- We FUCKING TOLD ALL OF YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN. And you said we were being hyperbolic.
  It will get worse.
  
  How long do people think it will take for there to be shooting over this? Not everyone is going to just let people get disappeared in front of them without doing anything.
  
  Who are you addressing here
  
  At least we didn't support genocide /s
  
  Wait till he goes after citizens. You can’t vote democrat if you have a felony for… something.
- This is the Thought Police, brought to you by the people who invoke 1984 when their putrid opinions get called out on the internet.
- Lesson for non citizens. You don’t have a first amendment right in this country under this administration.
  Honestly, for citizens, I am sure he will find ways of punishing us for free speech as well.
  
  They already do, it's called gangstalking. If you can dig through the bullshit about aliens and nonsense that they put out their to make it look like a conspiracy... The goal is to make people that talk the truth look insane. We have been in a psychological war for a long time.
  I don't think America has been the good guy long before trump. What's happening now is a long time effort. There are ideologies and organizations older than America.
  It can't be fixed, just destroyed.
- Not even anything radical. Just "recognize ICC and stop giving money plz"
- White Rose movement got a girl and her brother beheaded in Nazi Germany. For pretty much this.
  Edit: (wrong flower and wrong relationship and yeah others were executed i just read about them)
  
  I'm pretty sure you mean the White Rose five Students and a University Professor were executed by the Gestapo for graffiti and leaflets. Best known are the siblings Sophie and Hans Scholl.
  
  Canary Mission = White *Rose

Meanwhile Rubio is proudly bragging about revoking student visas entirely for pro-Palestinian speech. Marco Rubio is not the voice of reason in the white house, he's an enemy of the Constitution.
- So then military members "swearing an oath to their constitution" are all full of shit as well? Cuz I dont see any upholding that oath.
- I mean, imagine if we sided with Castro government back in the 60’s, rubio’s family would have been sent to concentration camps.
- his only purpose is to be the backup barking chihuahua , in case vance isnt enough barking.
  
  He’s standing on the side, awkwardly drinking a bottle of water.

“We’re the police. Relax”
“We’re the SS. Be very afraid”. There, FTFY
- Legit, from her perspective, this is no different from a human trafficking kidnapping, this is the shit my wife has taken classes to learn to defend herself from, it's only a matter of time before someone defends themselves (unknownly assaulting an officer and assuredly setting off some punitive, authoritarian political bullshit)
- Damn, I didn't know it was this easy. Just pretend to be an undercover cop. Oh wow, this changes everything. Brb adding more to my collection of kids in my basement.
  _/s
  
  This shit has happened in NYC. Thieves roll on you and claim to be cops.

If you see this start filming and get them to shout their name. This is not how an arrest is done in a normal country. This is how you disappear people and how militias can fake being police to abduct and kill people.
- Yup.
  If plain-clothed thugs try to push me into an unmarked van I have to assume I need to start fighting for my life. I don't give a fuck who they say they are. If you are who you are, wear a uniform, act professional, and show me identification.
  Everyone needs to purchase a firearm and start training.
  
  Former fireman salesman here:
  Don't just go buy a gun on a whim. Gun ownership is a responsibility with potentially deadly consequences if not taken seriously, and there are moral, legal, ethical, and practical considerations involved.
  If anyone has questions about firearms, firearm safety, etc, feel free to reach out. I don't support violent demonstrations or lawlessness, but anyone wanting to know about the tools for legal self-defense, hunting, and shooting sports is welcome to ask me questions.
- If you see this, pull a fuckin gun on the kidnappers.
  
  That is a sure way to end up dead.
- There is no guarantee this is an arrest.
  These people are not showing that they are law enforcement. For all we know we just watched someone get kidnapped by sex traffickers.
  Bystanders shouldn't stand by idle, if someone is getting kidnapped right in front of you, and you're able bodied, you should do something about it, violently. Even if it means grabbing the closest heavy thing and throwing it at them. Yell, make a scene, yell out "kidnappers help me!" ....etc
  NEVER LET YOURSELF OR SOMEONE ELSE BE TAKEN TO A SECONDARY LOCATION. EVER.
  Anything your captors are willing to do in public is only a fraction of what they would be willing to do in private.
  You don't necessarily have to put yourself in harms way, but you can still show some level of resistance to kidnappers, rapists, and the rest. No one should just let those things happen in front of them, and simply pull their phone out to film.
  That's some psycho pass level shit.
  
  that's easy to say bystanders shouldn't stand idle, but the problem is that can escalate very quickly, you don't know what these people are packing and sometimes the police don't even interfere when they should (look at that incident on a NYC subway where some bystander stepped in to stop a mass stabbing, the police in the next cart over watching this unfold, did nothing until the perp was incapacitated, meanwhile the bystander was in ER, and looking at a bill only possibly paid off through GoFundMe donations).
  I think recording anything is probably the best course of action like you said.
  
  Unfortunately most people are not going to put their life on the line for you. For reference the advice to women being violently raped is to remain quiet and pee on their attacker or yell fire. Because people do not respond to the words help or rape.
  So we start a movement by asking people to do something less, be a witness. Don't let them just disappear people.

This is a fantastic way to get cops shot and killed in the street. Please, PLEASE try this shit in Oakland or Los Angeles I am begging you.
- Exactly, if I’m getting approached and they aren’t identifying themselves…. Guns are coming out. Fuck that game
  
  There really is a strong argument for minorities to carry.
  Worst case scenario you just end up with stricter gun laws.
  
  I kinda doubt there's many people carrying guns in Oakland California or LA....

That's terrifying. That is absolutely terrifying. Unidentified, masked people in all black kidnapping people right off the street in unmarked cars.
- Description of ICE training and practices, including:
  What this means is that ICE cannot enter a home without a judicial warrant (a warrant signed by a judge) or voluntary permission (consent) from an authorized adult. They almost never have a judicial warrant and therefore need consent to legally enter your home. ICE agents uses ruses as a way to get inside homes without identifying that they are ICE.
  It's not clear to me if "resisting arrest" is a thing with ICE.

Legally speaking if some one interfered or resisted wouldn't they be justified? No clear sign they are the law and they refuse to identify themselves
- A legal defense can easily be mounted. If they did not identify themselves as police officers, or had any proof of being police, you are clear to use lethal force. The victim had all right to believe that they are a victim of first degree kidnapping, a crime with a punishment that is 2nd only to 1st degree murder in US law.
  Their conduct is not one you would expect of law enforcement. So I will say it. Shoot. Shoot to kill.
  
  Legal defense doesn't matter for you when you're shot or choked dead by "police" because you defended yourself against an unknown assailant.
  
  Is that an official legal stance? I love it, but I've also seen undercover cops do the same stuff on the internet and with laws like Qualified Immunity I reckon that there are already laws in place to support these "just" actions
  
  They said they are police and took out badges.
- how about who cares? we have to take a stand for humanity at some point, the law be damned
  
  I definitely agree, just bringing this up as a point since it would be encouraging to know you can legally protect yourself
- I mean at a certain point legality doesn't matter if they black bag you and deport you before you can even have a trial. Which clearly seems to be their goal by the fact that they move the detainees away from where they apprehend them to avoid the court there being able to have jurisdiction. As well as with the large numbers of people who were put on planes without any kind of trial or process where they can prove they're there legally. With this becoming the norm at a certain point your only option really is to fight back and resist arrest or be deported without due process.
- De-arrests are a thing, they do and have worked against ICE kidnap attempts. But you need a critical mass of people to do it, if you go alone they'll just arrest you too or worse, shoot you.
  
  I feel like I'd rather take them shooting me at that point, especially if I can get at least one of them to choke on blood right alongside me.
- If they're cops you'll most likely get shot yourself doing that. Which may be a better outcome than getting thrown in one of these black sites. We don't have a really good idea of what happens in them.
- Legally speaking if some one interfered or resisted wouldn’t they be justified?
  Depends, some states protect interfering and resisting to a reasonable degree others don't. Got to check state laws to be on the safe side.
  Not a lawyer, btw.
- Not a law expert, the article says
  To be perfectly clear, Ozturk is not accused of breaking the law. The Department of Homeland Security hasn’t bothered to explain its reasoning
  So maybe is still the patriot act effect?
- https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/stopped-by-police#ive-been-stopped-by-the-police-in-public

For many years I was against punching nazis. It was time for debate. I am still against punching peaceful protestors.
But secret police deserve more than a punch.
- Nazis want to murder people for simply existing. We should always be for punching Nazis
- Their safety should not be a given. Make them fucking terrified.

This is the very definition of terrorism:
"Terrorism is the calculated use of violence to create fear and achieve political goals, often targeting civilians...."

This is terrifying. Anybody can pretend to be ICE and kidnap in broad daylight.
- Yes , it’s unsettling.
  
  How long do you think until an ICE agent is killed in the line of "duty"? A week, a month? And how many seconds after it happens will the government use it as an excuse to ratchet up the violence?

👊🇺🇸🔥
- Setting the constitution on fire
  
  Indeed. I'm mocking the signal chat debacle

Wtf I thought it was news overblown at first I can't fucking believe the US government is doing this in middle of the day, can't they Atleast try to disguise it as criminal activity?
- I can't believe nothing is coming from the sane half of the country. This will not get any better. So where is the attitude, the boldness, the pride, the ego, the guns, everything that shaped my view of what the US are in the past decades? Where are you?! Writing comments on the internet while people disappear in real life.
  I'm going to quote Erich Kästner again:
  The events from 1933 to 1945 should have been combated by 1928 at the latest. Later it was too late. We must not wait until the fight for freedom is called treason. We must not wait until the snowball has turned into an avalanche. The rolling snowball must be crushed. No one can stop the avalanche. It only comes to rest when it has buried everything beneath it.
  Erich Kästner, 1958
- they were doing it his first terms too, in broad daylight.

They did this in Washington state to citizens during the Covid 19 summer riots.
This is nothing new for Trump. Stay strapped and alert at all times for the next 4 years.
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-use-unmarked-vehicles-to-grab-protesters-in-portland
- Covid 19? Odd way to write BLM.
  
  BLM happened because people were bored from the Covid 19 lock downs and hot because of the heat waves that summer.
  Otherwise it would have fizzled out after a few weeks.

Literally disappearing people off the street
Didn't the U.S. fight a war against a country and its leader who did the same shit? I was never very proud to be an American because this country has done some fucked up shit since 1776. But this is downright terrifying to me as someone who is disabled and considered a parasite by Elon because if they aren't stopped after this then it's game over for any "non-white" people, LGBTQ+, and poor people in general to be disappeared.
This may be why they want Greenland so bad 🤔
- They want Greenland because the Trump admin is convinced the next big intl. power struggle will be about resources in the arctic circle.
  And also of course because they’re fascist imperialists and terrorizing/annexing their neighbors is the typical MO.
  
  Since the 19th century, the United States has considered, and made, several attempts to purchase the island of Greenland from Denmark, as it did with the Danish West Indies in 1917. There were notable internal discussions within the U.S. federal government about acquiring Greenland in 1867, 1910, 1946, 1955, 2019, and 2025, and acquisition has been advocated by American secretaries of state William H. Seward and James F. Byrnes, privately by Vice President Nelson Rockefeller, and publicly by President Donald Trump, among others.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_United_States_acquisition_of_Greenland
- It took the Nazis a few years to come for the disabled and mentally ill:
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4
  Let's see if the US can speedrun it.
  
  They already want to declare people criticizing Trump as mentally ill in order to silence them. That speed run is in full effect.
  https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/text.php?number=SF2589&version=0&session=ls94&session_year=2025&session_number=0

From 1933 to 1934 in 3 months. Clock is ticking dear american people.
- How many months from 1934 to 1984?
  
  1939 is also of interest
- Time has run out. The only option is to do the right thing, which will involve people intervening and dying.
  The head of the snake needs to be cut off. That will be incredibly difficult. Vance, Musk, Hegesth, Rubio, all need to be handled.
  The White House is the most secure building in this country. That's not hyperbole. It has anti-air missiles, snipers, and who knows what the fuck else. You hop that fence and everyone in that direction is dead.
  It can be done, but the organizing hasn't grown large enough. There are groups that are loud and obvious. And there are others that keep quiet.
  If this were easy it would have been done already.
  
  Everyone in the presidential line of succession are monsters. The entire government is being reshaped into a totalitarian state. A full revolution or counter-coup is needed. I don't see a revolutionary movement being organized any time soon. Maybe if we get into Great Depression-like conditions. I think the amount of surveillance, well-developed counter-intelligence tactics, and power of the state in modern America would still make a revolution very hard to pull off though. I suppose extremely popular mass civil disobedience could also bring everything to a halt and make the US ungovernable; not sure what would actually happen to the government though.

Reminder that anyone can get some handcuffs and claim to be the police.
If you see someone bring abducted it is your responsibility to interfere.

What else was the alternative? A mixed-race woman as President?
- I'm laughing to keep from crying.
- This isn’t about race, it’s about class, at least for the demographics that the democrats are targeting. Kamala is mixed race but she represents the interests of the owning class and she just did absolutely nothing to sway votes in her favor. Trump is arguably much worse, but people should stop pretending a white candidate would have won over republican voters.
  
  Idk bringing out the big guns of a cheney instead I’d her progressive VP pick in the final days of the campaign should have sealed it. Must be racism.
  
  This is THE problem. Statements like this. She did the ONLY thing she had to do. The failing was not hers, it was COLLECTIVELY ours. The failing was not making her president. How are people still not getting that no matter what, she was clearly and without doubt the better choice. THAT is what matters. Everyone trying to split hairs and justify her not winning, still doesn't get it.
- Kamala is part of the problem. Unchecked neoliberal capitalism has created Trump. Yes, obviously, I would prefer the status quo over fascism. We all would.
  But as long as the majority of the country is financially insecure fascism will rise. Establishment DNC is just as guilty as the establishment GOP in causing this tragedy
  you keep feeding the oligarchs long enough and they attempt a coup.
- What else was the alternative? A mixed-race woman as President?
  Yeah, I'm not playing your stupid "pick one zionist or another" game.
  I despise republicans, and always have, but I despise traitors on my own side even more. If its a choice between fighting the people we've always fought or fighting the murderous traitorous political hostage takers in our own party who espouse the same evils our enemies do, for sure I'm going to clean house of the traitors first, and give them 10x the loathing I would give a traditional enemy. Backstabbing war criminals deserve no less, and Harris was a backstabber who chose to lose rather than throw the Palestinians a bone. That was her choice.
  And thats who you want to complain about now? Not bothered that she supported war crimes when the republic was at stake, but just that someone with dark skin and female sex organs didnt win? Seems like a pretty trite and privelaged concern for you to engage in when innocent human children are being blown apart.
  and to be clear, I didnt vote for either Harris or Trump. I left just that section blank.
  
  So all based on your last sentence, you're partially responsible for the shit storm we're in now?
  
  What's really trite and "privelaged" is scolding others because they didn't make Palestine their only voting concern. I guess the death of the US and every vulnerable group in it is worth it to people with that opinion.
  On a very personal level, I'm trans. Your voting ideology has directly contributed to the loss of my rights, my safety, and my future. Go ahead and scold me because some bomb I had no say in was used halfway across the world to kill children. I just wanted people to vote for the person who wouldn't make SS black bag people in broad daylight.
  
  So sounds like people like you are partially to blame for all this crazy shit.
  And Trump will be worse directly with Palestine, just give him time. He’s seemingly already given Israel the go-ahead to kill whoever they want. What was it that Israeli official said in the video a week ago - the worst is yet to come?
  Trump will add a cherry on top for you and build a golf course or strip mall in Gaza over the wreckage and remains of dead Palestinians.
  
  and to be clear, I didnt vote for either Harris or Trump. I left just that section blank.
  Well, fuck you. You don't get a say, then.
  
  I despise republicans, and always have, but I despise traitors on my own side even more.
  Completely understandable on an emotional level, but if you're not careful this can easily turn into an accidental alliance with Republicans, and it often does.
  
  Wow, you taught Democrats a real lesson there! At the cost of even more Palestinian lives!
  "We did it, Patrick, we saved Palestine!"

Fucking Nazis. Where the fuck is she
- Apparently she’s already in Louisiana. As per the Bostonglobe
  
  In Louisiana awaiting a Nazi judge to rubber stamp their blatant kidnapping of this woman
- En route to El Salvador.

So... What happens if there aren't cameras where the political abduction occurs? The government can just wait a few weeks then sell them to El Salvador and let their friends and family believe they are missing?
- What in the article makes you think the cameras had any impact on this case? Her lawyer still hadn’t talked to her when this was published. She was still taken with no information given. The cameras only seem to normalize this for some and put fear in others. And way too many are happy with it. But doesn’t seem anyone was able to do shit about it.
  This is the new normal, this is now acceptable in every real way. Sure some people are upset, some are worried. But nothing is being done to stop it in any real way. This is America now. The country is a complete dictatorship with no laws for those in power. Seems a lot of people refuse to believe or see that.
  
  Her lawyer hasn't talked to her, but we know who to ask. Where would we be if the camera hadn't captured the kidnapping? Missing student?

Why is the judge not arresting her captors for kidnapping at the least? If there are no charges then why is she being arrested? This is wrong on so many levels. If you think trump will not do the something to the rest of us you are mistaken. Just give him time. He will be doing it to American citizens as well.
- She is us. We are her.
  It’s happening.
- Definitely. Trump already wants to get rid of birthright citizenship going forward and has a lawsuit that has stopped his executive order. The MAGA goal is to be able to imprison and deport dissenters.

Jesus Titty Fucking Christ

What would happen to a bystander who physically intervened, but then was overwhelmed? Could they be get assaulting a federal officer charge, or would that be dropped because they do not show proper identification? Asking for humanity
- Yes.
  Remember, the Nazis executed a college girl, by beheading, for handing out flyers.
  Brown shirts would kill Jews on the streets.
  ICE has been turned into the SS.
  MAGAts are Nazis, expect them to behave like Nazis.
  
  ICE is more Gestapo. Not the SS
  
  The White Rose
  Rip Hans Scholl and Sophie Scholl
- They would for sure catch charges. The days of having to do something illegal in order to be convicted are behind us. If the MAGAstappo get their way the only remaining function of the judicial system will be as a cudgel against their enemies.
- If you got physical before they identified as police they would subdue you and then identity. That’s why there’s 8 of them for one arrest.
  I think you’d have a good chance of getting off the numerous charges against you after sitting in jail and incurring thousands in legal fees.
  
  getting off the numerous charges against you after sitting in jail
  Ha! or they just do what they are doing here and ship you of to a place in south america without any due process at all.
  
  Shoot first, find out they are a pig after.
- What would happen if I shot them?
- would that be dropped because they do not show proper identification
  They have badges on, so I would guess they would get an assaulting a federal office charge yeah.

Maybe we need to start a fund to reward any bystanders that attempt to intervene in a safe manner. They could do things like ask for badge numbers, take videos, ask for the warrant, and just generally get in the way. Maybe stand infront of the vehicle that the person is put in to slow down the progress.
Maybe we need a app that will notify people that something is happening so they can flood the area even more with people who will stand in front of the vehicle.
- Maybe we need a app that will notify people that something is happening so they can flood the area even more with people who will stand in front of the vehicle.
  That used to be Twitter if you knew the pages to follow. It was effective for calling for action at specific places/times during protests, it was no surprise Musk bought it and ruined it. With all major tech companies aligned with fascism it would be tough for a new app like this to become popular.
  
  I remember a story at the beginning of the Arab Spring. A student journalist tweeted, "Arrested" to his few followers and it went viral. https://mashable.com/archive/twitter-get-out-of-jail
  
  Well, you don't want it to be from a company. You want it to be opensource and decentralized so the government can't shut it down.
  
  In a platform full of coders... Surely one of you will build this app, yeah?
- I understand you're trying to increase the odds that people will intervene and that this horrible kidnapping would not be successful.
  However, the fund for rewards is not the way to go.
  Psychological research about human motivation shows that expecting external rewards reduces personal motivation (or, as psychologists would say it, extrinsic motivation can hinder intrinsic motivation). When humans do things because they expect external rewards, they stop doing it for the sake of it and expect higher and higher rewards over time.
  Pay children to draw and they lose their interest in doodling or drawing for fun. Pay your team members for being kind and they will be less kind overall.
  So what can we do? You talk to people. You understand their concerns and wishes, and you have them understand your concerns and wishes. You use frames that they already have in their head so that they can see your point of view. You set implementation intentions.
  It's a matter of values and the capacity to do the behavior.
  Of course, if you're in a dictatorial regime, stopping a state-approved kidnapping will be illegal and get you in lots of trouble. That's why activism also seeks to change root causes. What kinds of root causes? That will depend on who you are. Some people blame the electoral system in the USA, so maybe changing that could help. Other people will blame other causes and therefore will suggest other changes.
  This may be abstract, and I wish I had the time to make it less so. Unfortunately, I don't have time right now, but you can check out sources that talk about this. Check out Drive by Pink to learn about motivation. Check out Don't think of an Elephant by George Lakoff to learn about moral reframing. Check out Rethinking Positive Thinking by Gabriele Oettingen or Tiny Habits to learn about implementation intentions.
  
  While all that maybe true in the case of an activity that happens over and over... the odds that any one person is close enough to one of these events more than once is extremely small. I doubt any of that research covers this kind of situation.
- I guess you're so far down the 1933 way that you'll hear a lot of people say "we had no idea a. what was going on / b. things were so bad" in a couple of years...
- More like a bail fund
  
  Well yeah, and a legal defense fund.

If you are in America and are expressing pro-Palestinian views online regardless of your citizenship status, you should be seriously considering yourself a legitimate target for arrest or abduction by the state. If you haven’t already, it is essential to assess your security posture and take action as required.
If you need a starting point, take a look at the Electronic Frontier Foundation’s surveillance self-defense guide: https://ssd.eff.org/
Please be safe.

These definitely aren't cops or even anyone with any formal training.

Police have badges for a reason, if someone with a mask on says theyre police nobody should be surprised when they get shot in the face

Americans still aren't going to rise up though lol
- No they won't. They are all talk and no show. Wimpiest of all.
  
  If you were willing to die to fight fascism, you'd be in Ukraine right now. Fuck off with your armchair warrior bullshit.
  Edit: woo I pissed off the tankies with this one
- As evidenced by three people walking or jogging past and literally not doing anything. The dog walker paused for a bit but then continued. I guess it's the fear of them disappearing too that prevents them from doing anything.

Demasking them would clearly be the best measure for deterring them.

I saw the video and it’s terrifying. Out of nowhere she’s gone and no one can contact her. Hopefully this video is a catalyst for a huge brain drain from America.
- Also tourism. Bookings to the US already dropped by 20% in my country.
  About 20% of US tourism revenue comes from abroad. If no more foreign tourists will visit it means profits for many businesses will be wiped out completely.
  
  At this point going to the US is showing your allegiance to the far right, if you give them your money and time it's because you support racism sexism and bigotry.

But I thought all these guns were for fighting government tyranny??
- The vast majority of 2A enthusiasts were never brave or intelligent enough to use it the way it was always intended. As is now evident.

I implore you to go search "Ozturk" on YouTube. A video from the NY Post comes up. Read the comments. I cannot believe the reaction of such an un-empathetic population.
- Thank you for this. I wish I didn't but at least I know now that this is what the US wants. This is what they voted for. No more rights. No more constitutional protection. No freedom. The land of the privileged.
  
  You're assuming 90% of those are not bots.
- Keep in mind any empathetic comments are probably deleted.

The people in the US had the chance to vote for a MUCH lesser evil. And they chose to vote for fascism. People get the politics they deserve and with trump at least the leader is as rotten as the country at its core. I'm sure this poor lady does not deserve it. May maga folks experience some of the worst years of their lives for condoning racism, sexism, fascism.
- MAGAs were already living their most miserable life.
  Their goal was always to make everyone as unhappy and unfulfilled as they are, because if I can’t have it, nobody will mindset.
- Democrats have enabled this, did you not see the crackdowns and illegal abductions at universities before Trump was elected? These parties are two sides of the same pro-capital fascist coin. MAGA republicans are more openly fascist, but do you see any serious resistance from elected Democrats?
  
  Give me a break. There is no world where a democratic government should be equated to the fascist shit show that's on display for the entire world.
  
  The voters deserve the government they choose. This includes those who abdicated their responsibility by not voting.

How can I help?
- Looking for an answer to this as well. I’m non violent 100% - but open to civil disobedience. If bad people are putting good people in jail I’m ok going to jail. Not to be a martyr, but if it has a chance of making a difference. Just not sure what to do.
  
  The more people show up at protests, the better. https://indivisible.org/ has local groups and lists of protests.
  Orgs like ACLU are fighting legal battles, which cost money. If you can, donate.
  
  https://www.seeyouinthestreets.com/
  April 5th, the Washington Monument @ 12pm. There is also probably a protest at your state capitol on the same day, at the same time.
  
  Looking for an answer to this as well [...] but if it has a chance of making a difference. Just not sure what to do.
  I think there is many, many people thinking the same thing. People not afraid to act, but uncertain as to it's efficacy. I'd love to hear from anybody who has something to say.
  Thank you advancedpotionmaking and oktux for your responses (is there a proper way to reference users?).

This is why we should end all federal policing. It's not in the constitution. You were never meant to interact with your federal government. The federal government was for regulating the states, interstate commerce, and common defense.
- Umm, fuck no.
  I lived in the south, the FBI were basically the only reason I didn't have to worry about some inbred redneck deputy getting hammered and having fun with a baseball bat for kicks.
  We needed the feds to protect our rights, because according to the south, we had none.
  But this shit is proof there's another side of the coin.
  
  i'm still holding out for some federal agency or the joint chiefs to step in and stop this administration. that would be a hell of a lot easier than depending on the people to do it.
- One can argue that this is a common defence. Defence against those who criticise the government.

NEVER LET YOURSELF OR SOMEONE ELSE BE TAKEN TO A SECONDARY LOCATION. EVER.