I used to work for the Woodland Trust and believe that this is the right thing to do. Bins in woodlands do not get emptied often and will often overflow and attract unwanted pests like rats. Rats will also eat the eggs of ground nesting birds and cause other environmental issues.

If they are selling food on site then the food vendor should have a bin that their customers can use inside their cabin/cafe and dispose of the waste daily as part of the service.

Gentrified forest is the most cursed phrase I heard in a minute.

This is the reason given in Australia by Parks Victoria

LEAVE NO TRACE

Advocate for minimal-impact practices wherever you go. Many people are surprised to find no bins in national parks. Waste attracts native animals, which can change their natural behaviour and harm both natural and cultural sites, as well as your personal belongings.

Always bring rubbish bags (and one for your neighbour) and take all your rubbish home. Help educate others about the importance of leaving the park pristine, minimising your impact on the delicate balance of the ecosystem.

That might sound backwards but it isn't

Squirrels and raccoons will rummage, and disperse trash. There isnt much you can do about that beyond 1. Harm wildlife or 2. Reduce trash.

Edit: Damn, this thread is full of people I would be fucking embarrassed to camp with. Where do y'all like to experience the outdoors so I can be sure to not cross your paths?

The only way this will work is if humans behave in ways that no human has ever humaned

I'd give this some odds of reducing trash pollution. It can seem frustrating, but it MAY change people's behavior in a way that reduces litter. Behavioral economics can be counterintuitive.

EDIT: What matters is the result. If this makes more people litter, they should probably bring back the bins. If this reduces litter, they should keep it this way, regardless of how inconvenient or "stupid" you the reader find it.

"we don't want to pay human beings to do the necessary work created by our business, so we're offloading it to you."

...huh? They want to cut down on litter by removing the convenient locations for people to dispose their would-be litter?

Fuck there are some incredibly fucking stupid people in charge of places right now...

Weird, when Japan does it everyone praises them. I guess us western societies are just too trashy to clean up after ourselves.

"We don't have enough funds to make the guys do that route, what do we do? what did you say Shannon? masquerade it as taking care of the environment? that's fantastic"

Growing up in the 60s, we saw anti-littering commercials, called PSAs (Public Service Announcements),on TV every day. Ask any older American what they remember about those PSAs, and they will say "The crying Indian."

Today, they never show those anymore, and i am seeing young people littering as a result. I was recently in a fast food lot, and saw a car pull in, a young guy about 20 get out, and throw a bunch old fast food trash into the bushes, then walk into the restaurant. He passed a trash can next to the door on his way in, where he could have tossed his trash, but he just tossed it in the bushes instead.

I collected up the trash, and set it on the hood of his fancy hot rod.

I've seen plenty of similar examples in the last few years, because young people dont see those PSAs telling them not to, and even their parents havent been educated to teach them.

This has been happening in New Zealand for a while. The theory seems to be that bins attract more litter and are a hazard to wildlife.

I was sceptical at first but it actually seems to work.

Perturbs me that they are selling food though. Surely yhe food sellers should have bins for which they are responsible in their immediate vicinity.

Wait, so there are bins inside and they don't want bins outside because it's a wildlife area?

Sounds like OP's a little lazy, this is a very understandable change

One problem with outside bins is that the wildlife is naturally drawn to them and the contents can be damaging to them as well as desensitising animals to people, plus things like squirrels and birds will pull rubbish out of the bins and spread it around.

We survive that way in Japan with almost no bins. Of course the odd person litters, but most don't; if we can pack it in, we can pack it out. Now, if there were no bin inside the cafe, that would be idiotic.

"To support our commitment to reducing the number of covid cases, we have elected to discontinue counting them. We kindly ask all infected to kindly die at home."

You can always take your trash with you instead of expecting someone else to take it for you. The culture of throwing shit away instead of reusing, and reducing, is so ubiquitous, that's the infuriating thing.

This is basically ubiquitous on many public lands, specifically here in the US. The term is "carry in, carry out." Bins accumulate trash (obviously) which in turn is an attractant for rodents, bears, raccoons, etc. which causes its own problems. Wild animals should not be artificially fed by human trash. Trash can also be blown out of cans, or scattered by animals. Overall, especially for low traffic environments, the best plan is to have people take all their trash out with them.

TL;DR: Pack out your trash.

It's like my university campus removing all ashtrays to stop people from smoking.

It mildly infuriates me that you can't see the logic in taking your rubbish with you when you leave.

Why can’t they have a dumpster with lid?

People are just going to litter if they didn’t plan ahead to bring a trash bag.

Just throw it on the ground

• the general public, probably

If you're planning a picnic, you bring your own trash bags, sort your trash, and dispose of it properly. And you will eventually make the effort to produce less rubbish, for example, ask to take your order without napkins or a plastic bag.

Performative capitalism + fake environmentalism at it's worst. Ugh.

Think it's a mentality as well.

Had a friend in high school and after the drive in we went to, I cleaned up my trash and threw it away. My friend said "why are you doing that, they pay people to do that" and proceeded to leave her trash.

Didn't stay friends, but who the f thinks that way?

Entitled Amerikkkans.... that's who.

Pick up your own trash.

Not other people's trash.

YOUR OWN.

See how much garbage you can stack on/wedge into the sign before they put bins back there.

When I was visiting England I remember my grandpa and I walking around London looking for a trash can and being shocked at how rare they were compared to the US

there is a bin in the café according to you lmao.

this is ridiculous tbh, protecting wildlife is more important than your convenience in that place lmao, you're annoyed that you have to walk inside to throw your trash?? wtf lol.

It's been this way as long as I can remember down at Moors Valley. From my limited observations there, it surprisingly works much better than you might expect.