Video : Trump Rages at Zelenskyy in the White House

Trump and Vance are bullies. The kind of damage this will do to the PR of the USA is incalculable.
Will there be anymore goodwill for the USA?
- I mean, if the position of the country can change to such an insane degree by the results of a single election cycle then a lot of that goodwill that was given prior, should be examined.
  
  That's the sad fact of the matter. Trump and Vance and Elon and the rest of the administration are a fucking catastrophe, yes. But what is even worse than that, what is even more damaging for the long term viability of diplomacy, of international relations and governance, is that even when these clowns are gone, it can happen again.
  Every time another country signs a trade deal, an alliance, a pact, an agreement of any sort with the US, even if the current leadership is absolutely incredible, that can change dramatically on a dime within 4 years. That has always been true, of course, but historically the precedent has been that new administrations are largely consistent in upholding international agreements. But a new precedent has been set, that agreements (aka "sheets" as the dumbass calls them) are worthless, that they can be torn up on a whim, that peace may require you to fluff the ego of a megalomaniac and kiss his feet, that you might have to placate idiocy and bravado and STILL have your economy rocked by asinine trade policies, that the threat of invasion and war could be a negotiation tactic for trade deals...
  Countries are going to completely detach themselves from the US in all matters, and they absolutely should. We are going be turned into a North Korea-like state. Cut off from world trade and information, no diplomacy, just a looming threat to the whole world. Fuck me, this shit is bleak.
  
  How much longer before the US loses the hegemony of the dollar as a reserve currency do you think?
  
  Turns out who we pick to lead the country matters a lot
- I’ll be honest with you guys… my wife and I (Australian) had a three-week holiday to America planned for June which I just cancelled last week because I don’t want to give you a single fucking dollar.
  We’re going to Japan now instead.
  
  Can't say I blame you.
  
  I'm American - you don't want to be here right now. Nobody sane wants to be here right now.
  
  I don't blame you, I just hope you all remember that this is being done to us by state actors, chiefly the Russians. We've given them the tools to do it with - our freedom of speech and the Internet, but I just hope you understand they are leveraging the stupidest among us to do all of this.
  
  same here
- I have zero faith that Trump and Vance will do anything that favors ongoing world peace and/or limiting Russian Aggression, instead I believe Trump and Vance will serve their own interest by selling out Ukraine and baking up a scheme that will gain favor of their Russian buddies, who control an amazing amount of wealth for a country with such a high poverty rate.
  
  How long till we send troops into Ukraine? I don't mean as allies. Reagan is spinning in his grave. (Don't get me wrong, a grave is where he belongs, but he'd be pretty burned about this)
- Will there be anymore goodwill for the USA?
  As an American, my hopes and prayers are that the World will remember that approximately half of us are being held hostage inside of the clown car, and are being forced to go along for the ride.
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  Only 22% of the total US population voted for Orange McBurger. Don’t forget that.
- Looking from a country bordering russia, the amount of goodwill towards the US has little weight. We have to carefully consider how and what we can trust. Short term business should be fine, strategic partnerships are more suspect. We need to also play the long game and try to be friends with the people, even if have a fake grin when talking with the government.
- We no longer deserve good will, not as a whole.
  United we Stand, Divided We Fall.
  We're falling right now. We're divided, and many of us can't even speak to our own families any longer. The power of cruelty and stupidity in great numbers can cause untold chaos and destruction.
  The United States has, at least for this moment, fallen. Nobody should rely on us as a whole. An internal conflict may be coming at this rate here, and it has the potential to tear us all apart. I hope it doesn't come to this, but it is what I fear. Things are descending so quickly...
  
  Goodwill? Yes.
  But as long as the US political system is as it is and as long it will only flip-flop between democrats and Maga every few years, there can not be any trust anymore.
  The US proved to be an unreliable partner.
  How can any other country go into any. negotiations with the US without knowing the US can changed what they do at any time?
  There is no basis for a deal, anymore.
- As an American, frankly, there shouldn't have been much goodwill to begin with. But yeah, it feels pretty bad watching these vermin stab Ukraine in the back. And let's be honest, these people and the ones that voted for them, my loved ones included, are fucking vermin.
- I'm embarrassed to be an American.
- Not unless we change some shit REAL QUICK.
- The US needs to clean house.
- All rulers are bullies not just these two

At first, Zelensky rejected the proposal, but the two countries eventually reached an agreement on a revised version. Zelensky traveled to Washington to finalize and sign the deal.
However, tensions escalated when Zelensky tried to explain Russian President Vladimir Putin’s lack of diplomacy to Vice President Vance. Vance accused Zelensky of “litigating” in front of the media and criticized him for appearing in photos with Democrats during the 2024 campaign. He also said Zelensky’s comments were “disrespectful” to the Trump administration.
This sounds just like a setup to humiliate Zelensky and justify this shit to the MAGA brains. Trump and Vance weren't planning on signing the deal. Pure and simple propaganda. But MAGAs don't have enough neurons to see it.
- Appearing in media with members of the current administration (just like now)? How dare he!
  Also, a side thought I had recently: I wonder how these conservatives would feel if Mexico invaded and captured territory in Arizona? I mean, it wasn't that long ago that it actually was a part of Mexico, and a lot of the population still identifies with that country. Just cede the land to avoid conflict, right?
  Edit: Plus, everyone knows Arizona has a Nazi problem, so the invasion would be totally justified, right? Right? lol
  
  New Mexico could suddenly be old.
- I think a big part of this being cancelled at this late stage is Europe stepping up and offering peace keepers. I do not think Trump counted on that and wanted the deal with basically no peacekeepers. All along, he was was no to supplying security.
  This would have given putin time to rebuild and carte blanche to renew the attack when he was able. Putin can't do that if Europe is in Ukraine as that would be a massive escalation.
  
  Yeah, I hate to see the US being such a fucking shit ally, but the one silver lining is that Europe does seem to be warming up to the idea of putting boots on the ground and beefing up support for Ukraine.
  Russia isn't going to stop trying to expand, especially after the tactical knowledge they've gained. All they want is a break to resupply and rebuild their army. Personally, I think we should have started sending in special covert 'peacekeeping' troops several years ago, and given Ukraine top tier kit when Wagner started marching to Moscow. We could have been in a position to devastate Russians military capability. Instead fucking Republican traitors held everything up. Screw the Arab spring, we need an American Spring. Get your scopes sighted in and your bugout bags ready
- Exactly.
- Could even have been a plot to ruin Zelensky's reputation on Russia's behalf per their disinformation campaigns
- 100%. They were never going to give support to Ukraine.
- yea they almost always needed soundbites for fox, to "reassure maga" brains. as far as news is going they needed to distract from things like his epstein news all the time, everytime that thing comes up, MSM try to pitch an outlandish news to distract the masses.
- It's a win win for them. They get a political win, a promise of money, or both. There's still a chance the deal gets signed in order to keep getting American weapons. From Zelensky's point of view they can always slow roll the payments.

I wanted to point out something about what Trump said during that meeting...
“You’re in a bad position right now. You don’t have the cards.”
My understanding is that Ukraine did have the cards, they were called nukes, but they gave them up for peace and guarantees of protection from the United States, and others, against invasion.
And then, they got invaded.
Twice.
Edit: https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasion
Edit2: Always pay attention to what the other hand is doing.
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- He also incorrectly tried to correct Zelensky on when his fucking country was invaded... Clown
  
  Encapsulates why trump has no business near power of any kind. The most confidently incorrect dickhead anyone will ever meet
- Three times.
  The Donetsk conflict was started by militias trained, supplied, and paid by Russia. With Russian troops entering Donestk for technical support, logistical support, and really just any help they needed including combat units to beat back the Ukrainian Army at several points.
  Donetsk was the actual "Special Military Operation".
- The other hand just released that trumps name shows up 7 times in Eppstein's flight logs.
  No, not a joke, it was released today by trumps own minions.
  
  Link?
- Trump, like every arogant POS has overestimated his strength. Europe can and will enter the conflict as Russia has proven itself to be an existential threat. NATO is dead, but EU has been planning for this. I wouldn't be surprised if UKR already has or will obtain a nuke and put on a show of force . Nuking Russian troops on its own territory would be fine- and provide ground denial to the Russians.
  
  NATO is dead
  Somebody better tell them. In the meanwhile, their twin sibling, OTAN, will take over.
  I wouldn’t be surprised if UKR already has or will obtain a nuke
  I'd think they would have stopped their war by now if so.
  Nuking Russian troops on its own territory would be fine
  I'm sure Mr. Radiation will cooperate and not float over any innocent cities, and will stay inside of the political borders where the bomb went off.
  I'm also sure that nobody would consider retaliating over something like that, as it would be taken as just a minor misunderstanding.
  And yes, /s .
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- Because of Traitorapist Trump, every country in the world will rightly want to have their own nuclear weapons now. You just know that today is going to be mentioned in the history books as the beginning of widespread nuclear proliferation and the dire consequences that follow.
  
  every country in the world will rightly want to have their own nuclear weapons now. You just know that today is going to be mentioned in the history books as the beginning of widespread nuclear proliferation
  I'm honestly surprised other countries didn't start proliferating after the first time Ukraine was invaded by Russia, years ago.
  That's one hell of an object lesson for any country to have learned, watching that happen.
  For today, if nothing else, the lesson was learned, if you already have nukes, don't give them up for promises of protection.
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- The scary thing is - ignoring these protection guarantees kills nuclear non proliferation.
  Ignoring Ukraine for now, with a few French nukes we don't have enough in Europe to do nuclear deterrence. The US not being a trustworthy partner anymore and with Russia on our doorstep that means long term we simply need more of our own. I hate the thought, but can't find a way around it.
  
  The French and UK nuclear arsenal is the only thing standing between humanity and disaster. Sad to say this but you guys need to be pumping those things out fast.
- Didn't Russia have the keys to those nukes though?
  
  Wouldn't have mattered even if true. Physical access trumps everything. Worst case scenario, if they really wanted to, they could reverse engineer the primer & guidance system, then replace the originals with their own.
  Keep in mind that Ukraine was a massive hub for military industry in the USSR.
  
  My understanding was that Ukraine did.
  But also, since they were neighbors, you wouldn't need to launch missiles, you could just take the payload out of a missile, stick it in a briefcase, and walk it over.
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That was one of the most disgusting and rage-inducing videos I've ever seen. I would not have been able to restrain myself from punching Trump in the fucking nose if he had talked to me like that. I'm not a tough guy or violent in any way, and the Secret Service would have killed me, but the way he yells such insulting things at a world leader who is trying to save millions of lives... holy crap. And then Vance jumps in and claims he never said Thank You. I would've kicked him in the nuts and said, "thank you, now I feel better."
This was a setup from the get go. They had no intention of signing any deal. This was all to get him in front of cameras with them so they could piss on his face and act like tough guys.
- Trump won't be mean to Putin because he wants to "make a deal" but he seems to be fine insulting the fuck out of Zelensky.
- I particularly love the part where he says Obama sent them sheets and Trump sent them Javelins then pauses to look at the camera and tell the media that that's their headline. He may be losing his marbles, but that attention whore instinct goes straight to the core
  *Not sure if that's the military aid he tried to block in order to coerce them into investigating the son of a political rival, or if he's just taking credit for the aid sent under Biden that he actively opposed. Either way, it's fucking rich for him to take credit for military aid when he is personally responsible for delaying and reducing the aid Ukraine got.
- Trump had a reason for doing what he did. The former head of Kazakhstan’s intelligence service said 40-year-old Donald Trump was recruited by the KGB in 1987
  https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5162890-assessing-new-allegations-that-trump-was-recruited-by-the-kgb/

Trump was so backed into a corner he reflexively rambled about Hunter Biden's laptop and Hillary Clinton. What a joke. Then doubling down on Vance's inane rambling about not showing gratitude, channelling peak abusive parent energy.
All because Zelensky made very reasonable points about requiring guarantees.
Absolute amateurs.
- Yep. Trump is barely more intelligible than Alex Jones at this point. They're both just as honest
  
  and thiel has the puppy in the corner vance on a leash telling him to bark when trump does.
- Too bad there is no republican in congress sophisticated enough to realize they tied their cart to a psychotic, inane, horse that is going to drive them over a cliff.
  
  There are plenty of GOPers who realize this. The problem is that GOPers have neither the guts nor nuts to DO anything about it.
- This 100%
  
  Or even that?

Few takeaways:
JD Vance is talking over a tired-looking trump who can't follow the conversation (See, him trying to correct Zelenskyy on the date of Crimea's annexation, claiming it was 2015, then responding to being corrected on the date that, "I wasn't there". Like he was there in 2015, LOL).
This was a preplanned ambush that is the most cringe fucking thing I've seen in the last 5 years, from MTG's fucking boyfriend (I wish I made this up, I really do), attacking Zelenskyy for not wearing a suite, to which he responds by saying "I'll wear a costume after the war is over. Like yours, but maybe better"
JD Vance is really really bad at acting. He theatrically exclaims how the Oval office is being dIsReSPecTed!!!111!!! but with like a 5 second delay and with limited enthusiasm. All it does it tells you that this was the plan all along.
Marco Rubio had a Dr Birx/drink bleach kind of moment there.
Overall the only news here is trump is really really declining cognitively. I wonder how long it will take NYT to notice that....
- "I'll wear a costume after the war is over."
  What a savage takedown, holy shit.
  Zelenskyy is a class act. America doesn't deserve to even be sitting at the same table as this guy.
  
  All they achieved with this ambush is to show the difference in quality between Zelenskyy and trump/vance. The contrast is stark. Those two guys would have shat themselves in a reverse situation.
  
  Fun fact: the French word for "suit" is "costume." I wonder if Zelenskyy was aware of his multilingual pun.
  
  Just to clarify, in Russian and Ukrainian “costume” means “suit”.
  
  I lost my mind over that sick outfit burn. Goddamn.
- . He theatrically exclaims how the Oval office is being dIsReSPecTed!!!111!
  And Trump using the Oval Office to sell another of his silly red hats for personal profit earlier in the week wasn't disrespecting it?
  
  Remember when he endorsed Goya beans in the Oval Office? Good times.
- I wonder how long it will take NYT to notice that....
  Once it's in their oligarch-owner's interest
- I'm sure the NYT has noticed, but their attorneys probably advise against making medical claims about sitting presidents. Especially since the current one is particularly litigious.
  
  Ohh, I thought Biden was sitting president last year when they were pounding it on and on and on....

The US should feel embarassed for this.
- Those of us who didn't vote for him, actual Americans, do.
  
  No true scotsman.
- Some of us voted all blue and still respect the Constitution and its oath (except the 13th), and yes we do feel pretty damn embarrassed and not looking forward to the next few years trying to fend off the fascists
- There's a whole hell of a lot of them taking the Trump viewpoint.
- One can only feel so embarrassed.

Trump is such garbage. There is never a time when he doesn't act like a spoiled child.
- I think you misspelled soiled
  
  I forgot about his diapers 🤦🏻‍♂️. Groooooooosssssss
  
  Maybe if someone had praised him 75 years ago for tinkling in the golden toilet like a big boy we wouldn't be in this mess.
  
  Probably added the P because Trump is into pee. Pee for Trump.

Americans now
- Yes, yes we are. We are the baddies and we have literal nazi's running things in our government.
- Yes, we absolutely are. We deserve everything we have coming to us.
- Unfortunately, fans are cheering Trump on in social media about this. Bots or not, they're getting a lot of views.
  Don't think people in the EU or whatever aren't cheering this, either. Trump can and will happen elsewhere, too.
  
  Trump can and will happen elsewhere, too.
  This is so true, also here in europe we are not immune to this shit 😢
  
  Unfortunately, fans are cheering Trump on in social media about this.
  Remind me who owns social media again?
- Y’all need to overthrow your corrupt dictatorship government before it fully takes over the media and military command.
- I mean, I've known for a while, but it's wild to see us just dumpstering the mask.
- No.
  And by no I mean we're not just now asking that. A lot of us already knew we were the baddies. We have been.

The audacity of Vance to demand gratitude whilst twisting the knife they implanted in Zelensky's back...
For Shame...
- Yep, him trying to do hardcore protection politics at that point, during a conversation that included talking about World War 3, really disgusted me as well.
  I was thinking "Damn, this isn't helping, JD".
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Zekensky a man of honour.
Trump a man of pure shit.
- Are you sure? I dunno, Trump has a really nice looking suit... 🙄
  
  A piece of shit in a suit is still a piece of shit.
  
  its designed to hold his shit in and his girdle hes using.

This is unfucking believable. If I were zelensky I would've stood up and spit in Trump's and Vance's stupid fucking faces and walked out.
- This isn’t unbelievable, If I were Ukraine I would have been insulted by not been invited to the peace talks and would reject any deal the US made at all. This was bound to fall apart.
  Also, Trump is the world’s biggest man-child, he was going to embarrass our country no matter what.
  
  It's the public shaming part of it that really makes me angry. Zelensky shouldn't have to put up with that.
- I would’ve stood up ... and walked out.
  He's trying to save his country and the people in it, and he really can't forsake any help he could get.
  He, at least, is keeping level-headed, as much as one can in those circumstances.
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- “We’ll meet again, don’t know where, don’t know when. But I know we’ll meet again some sunny day!”
  President Zelensky would know that in a ‘diplomatic’ situation of this color his little fit would invite toddler-like retaliation.
  <boom>

Zekenskyy did the best he could; he came in humility and he really didn't have any cards at that table. He had no cards because he didn't come to play, he came to capitulate to the whims of a tyrant to try and save the lives of his countrymen by signing a one-sided deal.
That video will go down in history as one of the greatest moments of infamy in this age - if there were any justice Trump and the puppet masters behind him should be tried for the spark that lit the third world war.
- I read what happened, and after I knew I watched the video clip.
  I'm still under shock.
  The world is turning, this is an important point in history. I was in disbelief for a long time, but we Europeans can't trust the US anymore.
  This might be a good thing after all, we need to wean off the American teat and decouple ourselves. We need our own tech stacks, we need our own EU troops and we need our own whatever Nato once was.
  We need to jump in and cough up the money to replace the Ukraine Support the US did.
  I'm fucking afraid, the risk of
  an even bigger war just greatly increased.
  But whatever will happen we'll never be able to trust the USA again, even if things get better there's no guarantee the same shit happens again 4 years later.
  The only rational thing is to isolate ourselves from the sick patient.
- he came in ~~humility~~ humbly
  or
  he came in with humility

I just watched the last half of the full meeting. Zelensky asked what guarantees there are the Russians won't just invade again. The subtext of which is an offer to house US troops in Ukraine. But all the fucking clown car heard was a challenge to their machismo.
So they shouted him down and just loudly asserted he would either sign their deal or fight it out. Along the way they manage to insult him by treating him like a child and pretending that previous broken agreements, (invasion of Crimea, Invasion of Donetsk, and Invasion of Ukraine) were because Putin didn't respect the American President enough. But Putin is also the victim in all of this according to Trump.
I've seen better diplomacy from a high school football team.
For more subtext, if there were any real guarantees then this would not have happened in the meeting with the press. Zelensky would have told reporters there were guarantees. This entire blow up means that Trump already told him there would be no guarantees other than the honor system. Which, even if Trump is right, (Putin respects Trump and won't invade while he's president), Zelensky knows that means Putin will invade again in 2028 after Trump's term is over. And that's without getting into all of the implications about Putin holding this over Trump's head for concessions so Trump can appear to be the peacemaker.
I agree with Trump on one thing. We're fucking around with World War 3, but Trump isn't a peacemaker, he's Chamberlain. Right down to berating the leaders who are asking for help to stop the aggressive country.
- I’ve seen better diplomacy from a high school football team.
  JD Vance talking about diplomacy and accusing fucking Democrats of "beating their chest" was such bullshit I have no idea where to begin with that...which is probably the point.
  How are they going to project the soft power of diplomacy when they're in the business of firing half of the people that work in that part of the government? This administration, and this country is a sick, unfunny fucking joke just like the heads of it.
- Which, even if Trump is right, (Putin respects Trump and won’t invade while he’s president), Zelensky knows that means Putin will invade again in 2028 after Trump’s term is over.
  I realize that the first half of that is speaking about what Trump thinks (as opposed to you claiming it yourself) so this isn't me trying to contradict you, but I think it's important that we all keep in mind the actual reality of the situation:
  Putin doesn't respect Trump in the slightest; Trump is his useful idiot.
  To the extent that it's true that Putin wouldn't invade while Trump is president, it's only because (a) neutering the US by having his patsy as President achieves pretty much all the same geopolitical goals as creating a buffer state out of Ukraine does anyway, and (b) making Trump look good as a "peacemaker" is self-serving because it helps keep his patsy in place longer.
  Trump's not leaving in 2028, unless he's dead.
  I agree with Trump on one thing. We’re fucking around with World War 3, but Trump isn’t a peacemaker, he’s Chamberlain. Right down to berating the leaders who are asking for help to stop the aggressive country.
  Trump's not Chamberlain either. He's Stalin, making a secret agreement with Hitler (Putin) to carve up Poland (Ukraine) like a thanksgiving turkey. (The analogy is a little awkward because Russia is playing the role of Germany in it instead of itself, but I was going by who attacked the country being carved up first.)
  
  Well said, even if you take Trumps argument at face value it makes absolutely no sense to agree with

I find it really interesting that almost all of the recent comments on the YouTube video are 95% the same and praising "how great all this transparency" is, completely drowning out all other comments. They're also worded very very similarly.
- Looking at their profiles, they don't look like bots to me. Maybe it's just that MAGAs sound as stupid as a bot swarm.
  
  There's like a stupidly large amount of bots in YouTube comments.
  Apparently they encourage engagement. 🤷
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  AI has been rapidly employed to create social media profiles. And before AI, there are entire teams dedicated to managing their own "teams" of social media profiles.
  You can rest assured, like 70% of "users" on social media sites are just puppet accounts. You, as a private citizen, can rent some of these pools for things like PR campaigns.
  
  How could you tell anything by their profiles? Most had no content or other information. It's not like Reddit where you can view their comments.
- There is a similar phenomenon on Tiktok. The accounts often have similar name structures, have no picture or some USA flag type pic, but what gets me is that they all have around the same amount of followers or people following them.
  Then people will make entire videos to engage with the bots... Drives my blood pressure up when I see it.
  
  I read a while ago about someone doing forensic analysis using the heuristic of analyzing follower count numbers. I forget the exact mechanism, but certain patterns indicate that the follower count was statistically anomalous and therefore likely couldn't be trusted.
  
  reddit has those types of bots too, especially on the conservative sub, half of it is by russia. and reddit touting how its getting rid of so many spammers,yet they did very little to stop the political ones, instead went after all the OF ones, and the general users too.
- Plus 5% of how this would be worse under Harris or Biden.

Congratulations, we've witnessed history as global American influence effectively ended. Mark this day.
Oh sure, there'll be some leaders who'll profess listening but no one is going to take America seriously from now on.
The wise sage is now a decrepit dotard.
- Well, the US has gone from powerful dotard to decrepit dotard anyway.
- People used to laugh at me when I said America, as a leader and superpower, died when Trump won the first time. We have just been going forward due to inertia, but the bill will come due soon I fear
- Congratulations, we’ve witnessed history as global American influence effectively ended. Mark this day.
  I wasn't shocked today. I was shocked on election day that this day was going to come.

Someone needs to end the reign of Trump. What a waste of energy, piece of shit. Burn in hell.
- Someone close to him needs to do something, for the good of the entire world.
  
  That's just vague enough to keep the SS off your back. Good job. Pun intended on SS
  
  Plenty of old people with nothing left to lose have access to him. I'm just saying, it'd be a real shame...

I’m just one US citizen but I’d like to apologize to all Ukrainians on behalf of 50% or so of all people here. Our leadership is disgusting.
- EU citizen and i'd like to say your apologies are empty and hollow to us. Do something. This isn't a joke, this isn't hyperbole or a leftist talking point, you're under constitutional crisis. Do something.
  
  This seems like a good place to post this:
  Our current situation really is the culmination of almost 70 years of rightwing efforts. It’s a long listen but worth checking out How Conservatism Won by Robert Evans. He lays out in a clear concise way “how a consortium of rich failsons got together to fund a network of right wing think tanks and shift American culture in a fun new direction. (note: it was not actually fun at all).” They’ve been very successful and those think tanks are now pipelines used to funnel ideological purists into powerful positions like our current Supreme Court.
  It's worth remembering that one of the primary ghouls/traitors responsible for the attempted overthrow of our government on J6 was Roger Stone, the same traitorous ratfucker who began his career working for Nixon and has a fucking Nixon tattoo on his back. It's really impossible to overstate just how fuckin' bad these people are and they're winning.
  I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities. The police will not protect us, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety.
  The coup was successful, they're in power and if they don't want to give it up they won't.
  Get to know people in your community. Take an interest in growing food, learn how to fix things. Establish secondary lines of communication and start preparing.
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  EU citizen and i’d like to say your apologies are empty and hollow to us. Do something. This isn’t a joke, this isn’t hyperbole or a leftist talking point, you’re under constitutional crisis. Do something.
  Sorry to tell you this but at the moment Europe's nuclear arsenal is the only thing standing between humanity and disaster.
  
  They weren't talking to you champ. You wanna strap up and shoot your shot? I'll buy your plane ticket.
- 75%. Just under 25% voted for him, a little less then that did not, and 50% of the US effectively voted for the winner.

I am going to be the least surprised person in the world when there is a "terrorist attack" against America that gets linked to pissed off Ukrainians.
America is no longer a soveriegn state, its a meat puppet thats beholden to Corpo-Fascists, Israel, and the Russian Mafia.
Ukraine might as well terminate relations with the US, and join hands with Europe and get ready for larger war, because thats the only place this is going.
Ukrainian/American diplomacy on ending the war is pointless, America is on the side of Russia, and Russia has no intention of peace, they want Ukraine to cease to exist. There is nothing to talk about anymore.
- WW3 has been going on since 2022.
  No one thought so because nuclear weapons werent going off. thats the only reason.

Trump: you have not shown gratitude for our help.
Zelenaky: I have thanked the US many times for the support given.
Trump: you haven't shown ENOUGH gratitude. Just say thank you.
Zelenaky: I do thank the US
Trump: You didn't say it while kissing the ring.
- such a putin script hes using.

"I heard it from Putin."
At least he got to drop that one off.

President Zelensky visited the USA to sign the rare earth mineral mining deal. The US mining executives were salivating over a deal to extract minerals from Ukraine like they do from Africa. Poof, Just Dumb and Orange Nero followed their Kremlin script, added a US temper tantrum and blew the fuck out of the deal. Ukraine will sell mining rights to the EU members, with exception to shitbags from Hungary, Slovakia and perhaps Italy. The executives who supported the deal must be pissed off.
- I'm not convinced Trump ever really wanted those minerals. He floated the idea knowing Zelensky would never say 'yes' to the deal as originally presented. But then, when Zelensky seemed prepared to make compromises, Trump had to find another excuse to get the US out of being involved and went with the pathetic, shameful, cowardly performance we just witnessed.
  
  Those minerals would be extremely lucrative for electric car batteries and space exploitation. Yes, I spelled it correctly.

Trump: "just cease fire, bro"
Zelensky: "any security guarantees?"
Trump: "just stop shooting bullets, bro"
Zelensky: "we're defending our c..."
Trump: "YOU'RE LITERALLY WORLD WAR 3 RIGHT NOW"

Good for zelensky for standing up for what he thinks is right.
Business? What about democracy and freedom? Why is this about fucking business? What a tool.

What a bunch of fucking dorks, Vance and Trump are
- Yeah, it really stood out to me what a little brown nosing baby Vance is. "Yeah, you think you can just come in here and talk to my daddy that way?!" He's got that 'guy trying to move out of the friendzone for the third straight year' energy for Trump.

As a real American I am embarrassed and very sorry to Zelenskyy and all the people of Ukraine.

Awesome that Zelensky kept his cool. Almost like he knows what to expect.
Trump and Vance calling him disrespectful, when disrespectful is their default stance, is hilarious.
- Awesome that Zelensky kept his cool.
  Especially when Trump was talking over him, and Zelensky asked to speak, and Trump said no you can't speak you've spoken enough.
  That was really disrespectful, most people would have got really pissed off at that point.
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- He deals with really heavy shit on the daily. Trump is but a petulant fart next to any man with an actual backbone.

Krasnov gonna krasnov.

- See if that fracture holds up on /r/Conservative once the media machine decides what the talking points are
  
  This short video is a perfect illustration of the process.
  
  The exact same thing happened on January 6th. They initially expressed disapproval and dismay, but once the "it was just a riot, bro" narrative caught on all dissent vanished. They'd received their marching orders so they no longer had to face the terrifying prospect of actually having to think for themselves.
- I noticed posts critical of trump being removed so i think the mods are actively trying to get a handle of it. i expected nothing less
  
  /r/conservative will always be a nest of Trump support because its moderators are its absolute kings. But the tighter they squeeze their fingers, the fewer genuine participants will stick around. Eventually that'll start to actually cause problems.
  
  They've got to be. All the posts that I can are in favor of Trump. Literally salivating over how strong he was. Such brave. Very power.
- The more conservative people that I know who aren't just hard-boiled antichrist enjoyers support both Ukraine and American power projection. In all likelihood, they're not very happy about this.

"Everything feels increasingly like a scam"

I think the rest of the world should get ready to fight the US.
They are absolutely deranged at this point and a threat to the rest of the world.
Ukraine, Canada, Mexico, Greenland, what more do we need to cut all ties with it like we did with Russia?
- You forgot Panama, too. And I suppose Gaza.
  
  Saddest part of you telling me that is that I forgot them. There's just so much bullshit coming out of that shitty ass presidents mouth.

Take note: All Zelenskyy was asking for was what kind of guarantees the United States could provide in exchange for the mineral deal. Trump and Vance either could not or would not answer the question and made buffoons out of themselves.
Ukraine should not sign. USA under Trump will betray them at the first chance he gets. Getting support from mainland Europe would be more likely to see lasting peace, especially when Russia has been on the back foot for months now.

I dislike authoritarian egomaniacs like Trump, Musk, Melei, Johnson, Orban, Putin and all of their supporters who are very aware of their wrongdoings.
I don't dislike the people suffering from those evil doers. I would gladly welcome the UK back to the EUl, celebrate freedom the the people of the USA and drunk Wodka with Russians as long as were all nice to one another.
It's not about nations but about people.
- I fully agree with you, sadly some world leaders benefit way more from dividing and isolating.
  The only way forward as the human race in the long term will either be as 1 people (the UN is a good step towards this but clearly not enough) or as a post apocalyptic shattered, severely diminished population. Sadly it's looking more and more like it'll be the second one...

No you orange turd. He just doesn't respect you or your sycophants.

Why does Treason Trump hate the Free World? Why does he hate freedom and democracy? We does Trump hate America and American values?
- Because you have to be willing to not control everything. He wants to run the world like one of his businesses. You are just a cog to serve him and enrich him, failing to follow his orders is insubordination. You have no value beyond how you can be of use to him. Nothing and no one has any inherent value. You are ultimately disposable.
  His fans likely subscribe to this philosophy until they are on the receiving end of it then they play the victim.
- Values, freedom, and decency are his mortal enemies. He's a parvenue with a god complex.

This is just so painful to watch. Embarassing does not even begin to describe it.

Video of Trump going off on Zelensky for his poor military strategies.

"you're wrong about what's going on in your own country. I done seen it on ma boob toob"

Damn. That video is hard to watch. It's clear Zelensky is at a grave disadvantage because American English is not his first language.
It would be way easier for him to reason with these people and get his message out if he could just talk like a normal American.
He's not able to explain what's actually a very simple and clear concept: the US gave Ukraine security guarantees that it did not fulfill. Then he gets steamrolled by people who can speak English better than him and all he can do is sit back and watch.
- Incorrect. Zelensky could speak perfect English and it would change nothing. There is no reasoning with these people.
  It's certainly more unfair to him as it is, but the game was rigged from the start.
  
  I'm referring to reasoning with the audience, not trump or his stooges.
- This is not true. Zelenskyy made himself very clear: It is absolutely justified to question the value of diplomacy (2014 to 2022, covering 3 presidents) if it leads to more violence and annexation.
  Trump's first language is english yet he's the one who could not articulate a single thing to guarantee lasting peace adhered to by putin. Instead he talked about the investigation of his russian ties as something that traumatized both him and putin. The guy is so demented at this point, he's really letting the truth slip out.

Trump is such a disgusting thing

If anyone had doubts about the US switching to Russia's side, this is it.
The US is already suspending help to Ukraine.

I'm actually hoping for a coup by the military industrial complex
- 2022 saw Europe cheering for Germany ramping up military spending.
  2025 has people cheering for the military industrial complex to save democracy
  2028 will be just cheering for China to finish buying the last silicon Valley remnants or something
- trump is quickly eliminating non-loyalists from the military.

I hope Zelensky travelled all the way there to tell him to go and fuck himself to his face.

The bullshit exchange aside, I want all talks between world and country leaders to be televised in the open like this.
- If trump is doing it this way, you know he's up to something.
  
  They 100% planned to ambush Zelensky to make Trump look "tough". This was a pr stunt by Trump. What's amazing is that a solid chunk of people will look at him favorably during this exchange.
- Nothing would be decided,each leader would be playing a home match. This is not the way to do politics. Everyone loses.

Diplomacy by reality TV—Trump's Oval Office antics are reckless on the world stage.
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This hurt me to watch and it hurts me to see people supporting Trump's actions.
Suppose for whatever reason that you do disagree with providing more aid. Was humiliating the leader of another nation in this manner justified at all? Were these the actions that any reasonable, dignified leader would make? You could have just refused to meet with him and told him no. Instead they dehumanized him, made him grovel and beg for support from their king full well knowing he was just going to say no anyways.
I keep trying to look for some good in the people of this nation, to see that there's still some humanity left, but I don't think there is at this point.

This was absolutely insane. This is what happens when the empire no longer needs you.

I couldn’t watch it all. I felt embarrassed. What the fuck does Russian interference in a U.S. election have to do with Russia trying to take over Ukraine?
Clearly Trump believes he has some friendship with Putin that would influence this whole conflict.

Did Trump inject the word ‘dictate’ in there so he could justify calling Zelenskyy a dictator?
- asssuming too much smarts from trumpo.

Absolutely disgusting, and an utter disgrace. And, sadly, not surprising in the slightest.

I'm so sorry, I'm so embarrassed and not for my country, I don't even live there. I'm sorry for humanity

Wow that went worse than I thought it would. TBH I was thinking he might actually pull off a win here.
I'm left with my original thought that Trump is actively trying to destroy America. Everything he and Elon are doing seems to be doing nothing but undermine standing and stability. Truly mind bending. I wonder when/if MAGA will snap from the trance.
- That was my take away too, especially side by side with illegally dismantling USAID (and with it, US soft power) and a ton of functional agencies (e.g. NOAA, FDIC) that don't cost much and protect us both physically and financially. If I wrote a playbook of how to quickly cripple a county, it would pretty much be this.
- Everything he and Elon are doing seems to be doing nothing but undermine standing and stability.
  They're disbanding over half of the federal government. We're seeing it happen.

"Cease fire" is a Russian word and means "we pause and attack again a few years"
Trump is too stupid to understand it.

The US will declare war on Ukraine before getting up off their knee's from sucking Putin's knob.
- Dont forget declare war on Canada too.
  
  and panama

If you are European, I would start taking heed of your government's warnings of the past year, and understand that your country will be openly at war with Russia very soon.
if you are American, I would start getting used to the idea that Civil War is probably inevitable.
If you are Canadian, Start taking lessons from the history of Vietnam, Iraq, Finland, and Ukraine. Its going to be especially bad for us. Surrounded by enemies and our Allies an ocean away and dealing with their own war with Russia
If you are Russian, get ready to die as the bunker grandfather uses you like cattle.
If you are Chinese, get ready to win by doing nothing.
If you are a New Zealander, Any room left?
- if you are American, I would start getting used to the idea that Civil War is probably inevitable.
  If you are Canadian, Start taking lessons from the history of Vietnam, Iraq, Finland, and Ukraine. Its going to be especially bad for us. Surrounded by enemies and our Allies an ocean away and dealing with their own war with Russia
  The non-MAGA faction of the civil war might ally itself with Canada.
  (Also, you should add an "if you are Mexican" part.)