So like, the complete opposite of what we need?
So like, the complete opposite of what we need?
Cant imagine making 30 k a year and having to pay even 1600 in taxes. This is saying it will increase that much.
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Why don’t we just charge the homeless infinite tax money to support the government?
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I am unironically working on an idea where negative money is a normal feature of an Economy which is needs first. Production based on the requirement to fill those needs. There would be no tax money required to support a government and the negative balance is simply a transparent measurement of the cost of life.
It would eliminate the concept of purchasing power. And i know that sounds insane on premises. Hence i am still working on it. May require more then a few pages.
Anyway don't direct skepticism to it yet. Just know that your joke has been a real life math Problem in my head for a few days now.
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Some may critique you, but I think it’s important to dream. All the best ideas started as dreams.
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Your idea is kind of sound, but it really depends on how you implement the "negative" money.
You can just choose not to pay off the public debt. That will, effectively, make you print infinite money, and we all know how much corpos like to use and very much abuse inflation. Your idea'd fall quick.
An alternative is to charge the provider for the service they're providing, or someone with deep pockets who could. This seems much sounder of a wax to go to me. For example, if someone is building a hotel with 500 rooms, say they have to build an additional 30 apartments meant to house a 4-member family. Or, say you keep the asinine US health insurance system, but for every procedure they charge, they have to make one for free. Who they give it to is chosen by the government. This is effectively a form of "negative" taxation. Shame it's basically a revive of the feudal-era "Wheat tax".
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good luck, do you need any pitchforks or are you bringing your own
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I mean, I agree with this and think it should be spread widely, but probably should be in politics or politicalmemes.
Enshittification is, from the sidebar, "The phenomenon of online platforms gradually degrading the quality of their services, often by promoting advertisements and sponsored content, in order to increase profits."
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Sorry. There just isn't a platform for stuff like this big enough on lemmy right now. Tried shoe horning it here but it's literally at the top of r/all and is good content. From my experience politicalmemes would bite my head off. Politics must be an article.
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You can never vote in your life and still have to pay taxes. You could be as non-political as you want, you're still paying taxes. What's the point of pretending this only affects people who are into politics?
Also surely that's not correct on the sidebar right? Only online platforms? That's that's not what we're here for. If that's what it says someone fucked up. That's obviously not right.
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Well, I mean, I remember when Cory Doctorow first created the word, and it's always meant to me what the sidebar says. It captured specifically why online platforms start out very consumer-friendly to attract users, until the users and businesses are trapped by network effects, and they become the product being sold.
Maybe language changes, maybe it now means just "things getting worse" to some people. But I honestly think that's a tragedy, because if "enshittification" loses its specific meaning, it loses the power to specifically call attention to this phenomenon.
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This does NOT affect me as a European...
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It's the same in Germany, people listed the actual tax cuts that'll happen per income bracket for each of the major parties, and surprisingly the nazi party that keeps drumming up the "We're the common man's party!!!!!!" is the one that wants to make the rich richer.
And if you want to make the rich more richer than the fucking FDP, a factually one-man party by a guy that can only comment "But what about Porsche drivers?!" to any problem you put in front of him, wow are you a rich assholes party.
Remember, fellow Germans: Today we vote. And if on the way out you vote with your fist in the face of a nazi or nazi-sympathizing voter, that's a bonus!
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Unfortunately, disinformation seems to be the winning strategy.
From an American: sorry for Facebook, Twitter, all that... Both our parties are kinda bought by big tech, and it's affecting y'all too.
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Also, spite. A German acquaintance tells me that their family is going to vote for the AfD to punish their current government. In my opinion, Harris lost because of similar actions—citizens trying to teach a lesson or punish their party for not being what they want it to be (which is a reasonable wish, but I'm not sure about the action). Argentina also had some resentful voters that led to the clown in power today.
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And that's why i said that US is just speedrunning things.
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These people have to live somewhere. Why is nobody killing them?
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Americans are brainwashed with an ideology of nonviolence
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The population has been made isolated at the community level. There are very few local groups doing any reaction at all to this.
And violent reactions which are successful are a group action; it’s very seldom an individual, in any era of history, changed the politics by themselves.
And as long as there are no impromptu gatherings of significant frequency, there will be very little violence.
The internet is not a replacement for community driven change which powers all social and political movements, peaceful or not.
The turning point, if there is one, will be lots of local meetings by the thousands , and not until then. No matter how violent or passive the individuals be
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This is so funny because it is 100% the opposite. Violence is everywhere in america and people are completely desensitized to it and is completely fine if it is directed at the poor. Violence on the streets, violence against homeless, shooting your neighbors for pulling up in your driveway to turn, shooting people for not driving how you want, shooting up schools, mass shootings, all completely fine and absolutely no steps are taken against it.
They are brainwashed into nonviolence against the rich and corporate power and encouraged to use tons of violence against the poor and people that look slightly different than them.
Perfectly exemplified by fox (most popular "news" station in america, legally can't call themselves news since they lied too much):
- Luigi in an inhumane terrorist traitor who should be killed
- the guy who killed homeless people in the same week: "some say that he is a hero" and praising him for the full news cycle
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Maybe it’s because we’re not animals. Had half of this country been educated enough to see what was coming- we wouldn’t be in this mess. Violence will only make it worse.
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What world are you living in? Only slightly more 1\4 of the US voting population tried to stop fascists from taking over even after the fascists said, "Hey, we're fascists, and we plan on getting super fascisty up in dis bitch!". Slightly less than 1\4 of the voting population actively worked to put the fascist in power and the remaining half gave the fascists 2 thumbs up and cheered them on. You are talking like this is some coup, but the US fucking invited them in and handed them the keys to the place. Even with all their tricks and lies and downright illegal activities, it wouldn't have meant shit if just a small percentage of the rest of the voting population had bothered to vote. So, even if we pretend that we are all Rambo and go on some single-handed "cleansing" of Washington, and we just murder the shit out of them without them lifting a finger to stop us. WTF is that going to do for us? They'll just be replaced by more monsters because that's what we chose.
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The complete opposite of what we need is a pretty good summary of Donald Trump
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But that's not what the American people want. They don't want to end suffering. They just want to hurt the right people.
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Looks like income tax is reduced across the board. And the increases come from removal of IRA rebates and adding of tarriffs.
From your link:
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Yeah, this is what every economist in the country has been saying for the last 3 months. These idiotic tariffs are going to screw every middle to lower class American.
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IMAGINE GIVING A FUCK ABOUT $36K WHEN YOU MAKE NEARLY $1 MILLION / YR!!!
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Imagine not pursuing all your hobbies and instead opressing minorities and waging war all around the world when you make 100 billion a year. First person to say that is elons interest, and that's valid, can stand in line behind him at the guillotine.
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Imagine getting a tax break that's greater than half the countries incomes.
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Holy shit that’s a great point!
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what if we all just don't pay taxes
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Way ahead of you.
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This will be in effect next tax season I think. This tax season's policy is already in place
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200% sales tax
If you shoplift, pigs shoot you on sight and get a paid vacation.
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This is such a slap in the face. The tax breaks for the rich will be barely noticeable for them. The increase for everyone else could result in noticeable hardship.
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Barely? It won't be noticeable.
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Don't worry. It'll trickle down... eventually... The cash might be a bit red though... /j
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I feel like these chuds don't know the difference between trickle and dangle.
This is dangle down economics, where the less well off are dependent on voluntary charity from the better off.
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This needs to be called Trumps Tax Rises, and repeated over and over again until it sinks in with the morons who voted for him.
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The only way the folks who need to see things like these infographics will see them though:
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you can shove it up their ass and they'll still vote for him
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For 30k, one expected to pay 7500/yr taxes, although usually that was diverted by the employer and not noticed as much (other than the standard "why is my pay 465/wk instead of 576/wk?" question).
This would knock the takehome down by ~$30/wk due to the increased withholding by the employer to cover that 1500.
And when we look at it from our comfy warm homes, it doesn't seem like a lot. But, I can confirm from when I was working 3 jobs to support a university habit, that $30 was fucking crushing. I think that's 2 days a week of food, when every penny is bled out of you already.
Wanna bet the GqP is looking at it like $30 is nothing, like they're just skipping the appetizer at the clubhouse one day a week?
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Don't be silly. 30 is not even on the gop radar. No way they're skipping an appetizer over it
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America, the home of enshittifiction!
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Yes, I can image.even more regressive Republican tax cuts. It isn't like this is unusual for them or something unique to Trump. It is just more of the same shifting of the tax and cost burden down the economic ladder.
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Trump v1 did increase the standard deduction for everyone. It's the only good thing he's ever done that I can list off the top of my head.
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There is zero chance that he came up with the idea or had anything to do with that increase that happened while he was in office.
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You live in a serfdom
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Also you gotta factor in inflation caused by the injection of $4.5 trillion of additional rich guy wealth into the economy. So even a lot of people making over $300k are probably going to be losing out after you factor in inflation caused by others getting more.
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Solution: stop paying taxes.
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I just started doing this for federal, not state, and I'm curious what happens.
I'll probably owe a little extra fee at EOY, but I'm not worried about that. They'll have to ask me for this money.
And then I'll probably try and get a payment plan. Just deny and delay as long as I can.
Because why not?
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Suddenly libertarian
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I don't see anyone arguing over age of consent
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And the toothless knuckledraggers who'll be hit the hardest by this shit will thank the Führer for making America great again.
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They will. Because when they lose everything to his policies, he will toss them the scraps of what they once had, and they will see him as their king.
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America’s largest, consistently profitable corporations saw their effective tax rates fall from an average of 22.0 percent to an average of 12.8 percent after the Trump tax law went into effect in 2018.
The 296 largest and consistently profitable U.S. corporations in this study paid $240 billion less in taxes from 2018 to 2021 than if they had continued to pay the effective rates they’d paid before the Trump tax law.
While profits for the largest, continuously profitable U.S. corporations rose by 44 percent after passage of the Trump tax law, their federal tax bills dropped by 16 percent.
The number of these corporations paying tax rates of less than 10 percent increased from 56 to 95 after the Trump tax law went into effect.
Many of the largest and most well-known corporations in the country — including Walmart, Verizon, Disney, and Meta — had the largest tax reductions after the Trump tax law went into effect.
https://itep.org/corporate-taxes-before-and-after-the-trump-tax-law/
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I love basically losing a month of my income when we're already barely getting by. Fuck this fucking shithead administration to hell with a rusty whisk.
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making 30 k a year and having to pay even 1600 in taxes
That's like 5.3%, could that be real? That would be ridiculously low. I just checked and with that same income I'd be paying 2480 in Germany, or 8.3%, and that's in taxes alone. After social insurances and health insurance the total deduction would be 6450 or 21.5% total.
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I can’t say anything about the validity of the infographic but it says “increase up to” so it’s relative not absolute. So without knowing the current taxation it would be hard to say that tax is low, unless you think the increase is too low. Or am I missing something?
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That's not the total, that's how much the taxes will increase by. So $1600 on top of whatever you're currently paying. Most of that will be in the form of tariffs on pretty much any goods you buy that aren't made within the country.
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LOL to the moon. Factor in the cost of healthcare, a long vacation, a maternity leave and education here. Bet that would cost you WAY over 21.5% here.
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Do you have local taxes? We have state taxes, house taxes, etc, so not sure what the equivalent would be.
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We have property taxes and VAT/GST, though the latter are federal. Property taxes vary by district, not justby state or even city. That's a bit of a hot mess.
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America, the home of enshittifiction!
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Needs a source to go with it
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https://itep.org/a-distributional-analysis-of-donald-trumps-tax-plan-2024/
The makers of the image are listed at the bottom.
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Ty
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That completely ass backward,that's like sone kinda 1600 French king shit right there. Well I hope you all like mass emigration. Once people realise what's being taken from them and what a better deal they can get literally anywhere else in the world.
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Spoiler alert: no one's taking USA refugees
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I'm not taking about refugees,I'm dealing about anyone who wants free Healthcare are more for their money.
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A tax increase is never fine and Trump is only gonna use it to fund the rich.
However there will be a tax increase if the US ever get’s social security.
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Why will there be a tax increase?
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Not OP but, I think the top earners would be taxed more. To the best of my understanding there is currently a cap on social security for the highest earners.
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Most countries already have a budget deficit or at least they generally will when they start increasing the social security budget. So when the US starts to really fund a social security system taxes will increase. If you calculate the marginal tax income (so tax paid + the missed social security others get) it means that a lot will see a tax increase as well.
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The 'Food Web' of this civilization and many others on this planet make absolutely no fucking sense its morbidly hilarious.
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Well, fuck.
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What does this have to do with enshitification?
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Can a whole country come under the enshitification banner?
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It's certainly trying.
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There are so many spaces where you can talk about US politics and so few where you can talk about enshitification. Please don't turn this into another noisy sewer of American political discussion.
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I didn't think it was possible, but clearly....
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Here in eu there is 30% tax for job contract salary and landlording is 8% tax
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Hahaha if only it was 30%
| 40 % | 15.200 -
| 45 % | 26.830 -
| 50 % | 46.440 - … euro
On income from work. https://fin.belgium.be/nl/particulieren/belastingaangifte/inkomsten/belastingtarieven
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Is this per household?
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Is this for individuals or households?
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Where exactly is the dividing line between tax break and tax increase? Not at all clear from the diagram
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If everyone collectively stopped paying taxes, this problem gets fixed pretty easily. As it is, I have no plans to pay any more into the Dipshit in Chief fund from this moment forward.
America will get my money when America can show that it can be responsible with it.
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This CAN work for a time but eventually they will catch up with you. I know quite a few people that stopped paying, only to get surprised by the IRS years later and owe back taxes, fines and interests. They can make your life hell, put liens on your home, garnish your wages, all kinds of special tortures. If you are serious about this, no joke, I recommend leaving the country and planning on never returning.
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They can add a 200% sales tax.
What are you gonna do? Grow your own food?
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Eh, it's what the majority of the working class voted for and I'm not going to assume that I know what they need better than they do. The relative effect on my own taxes is fairly small so I'm also not going to object for my own sake.
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30% of American adults voted for trump. Millions didn’t vote because of “feelings”.
I don’t feel inspired.
I feel like my vote doesn’t matter.
It all feels too exhausting.
I feel cheated out of a primary.
It feels like Gaza isn’t being prioritized.
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Only the people who voted matter. Those that didn't were fine with whatever outcome, and can't even be assumed they would have voted the way people wanted them to anyways. Americans wanted this or at the very least completely fine with it.
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No, people were factually cheated out of a primary, and Gaza factually wasn't being prioritized. And people told the Democrats for over a year that this would happen, and yet they still made their choices. The Democratic party fucked you, not the voters. For anyone who was paying attention, this isn't a surprising outcome.
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