What are your favorite examples of 'media within media' (e.g., shows, stories, or movies inside of other shows or books)?
Examples: Itchy & Scratchy from The Simpsons, The Scary Door from Futurama, or The Grand Inquisitor from Dostoevsky.
The lusty argonian maid
from morrowind :3 (and not skyrim >>:c)
The Princess Bride is one of my favorite examples of this, especially because the "story within the story" is the main story, which is unusual.
When I was a kid I absolutely loved movies with this format. It was like I was learning the story along with the characters on screen, and it just made it feel more real. Like the story was so old and with enough truth to it that they made a movie just about people learning about said story. It let you feel like the caring, kind old narrator was your adoptive grandpa, and he was revealing to you some ancient, fantastical part of our history. One that you could imagine really happened, even if the story had some exaggerations. Those opening sequences where they show a big old, leather bound book opening up to the first chapter (e.g. The Sword in the Stone)? HOOK IT TO MY VEINS
This is a literary device called a "bookend narrative." If you want more stories like that, there's your search term.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the fake old movie that plays in Home Alone. "I'm gonna give you till the count of 10 to get your ugly yeller no good keester off my property before I pump your guts full of lead! One... Two... Ten!" 🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫
Angels with Dirty Souls
Image my disappointment upon becoming old enough to rent R-rated movies and finding out the only one I wanted was fictional.
It was also in the Detective Pikachu movie.
Tales of the Black Freighter from the Watchmen comics is pretty awesome.
All My Circuits on Futurama is one of my favorites on tv. Dramatic beeping intensifies.
Ow! My balls! from Idiocracy
There's been some stuff coming out lately that makes me think this show isn't far off.
I keep waiting to see Ass. Anything that wins that many Oscars has got to be worth it.
It was a clear send-up of "America's Funniest Home Videos" at the time.
Community has Inspector Spacetime and the Kickpuncher movie series.
Troy and Abed in the Morning!
Nights
If it’s just general media within media, that Ben folds five ass crack bandit song was fucking killer
I always wondered if that was supposed to be Dave Matthews (real fans call him Dave) but the whole plan fell apart.
The Abed Movie could have been great.
Angels With Filthy Souls
The "adult" movie Kevin watches in Home Alone. Apparently the main dude who was supposed to be in those didn't show up so they just had some janitor or tech fill in and he went full ham on that shit and made it something to remember.
There's also the McBane movie in The Simpsons that shows up in multiple episodes and if you connected them all together they actually make a coherent story line (it's just riffing off Lethal Weapon anyway).
30 Rock has quite a few good ones:
Can't forget The Rural Juror
Apparently I will forget you, Rural Juror. 😆 But I'm still glad I met you.
Weirdly (or not, perhaps) MILF Island was turned into a real show (sort of) not once but twice. On The Cougar a 40-year-old woman was seeking a partner among male contestants who were all in their 20s. On the rather more disturbing MILF Manor a group of women between the ages of 40-60 stay in a villa seeking to pair up with a pool of younger bachelors, which turns out to be made entirely of the women’s sons. Wikipedia says in season 2 the ex-husbands were also added to the dating pool so the sons had to compete against their dads for the divorced moms.
Celebrity Homonym
OMG I would love for that to be a real show. It would have to be hosted by the actor who did it in the show; he was perfect.
"It's always the other one. Let me see the card."
"No! Never!"
"The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"
by Douglas Adams is a book about a book called "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"
Wormhole X-Treme! from Stargate SG-1
In-universe, creating that show was a genius move, if anything legit leaked they can just say it's some fan fiction from the show and not from the real Stargate program.
Makes you wonder what the Stargate show was hiding :P
"what do you mean it's not a real show? Does my agent know? I still get paid with real money though right?"
Well I grew up on a farm...
That's the Wizard of Oz.
You got that from "I grew up on a farm"?
If you're going to rip something off, choose something no-one knows.
Farscape flashback.
Gold.
"Sick, Sad World" from Daria
Came here to say.
I just referenced that on Lemmy a couple of days ago
Tool Time in Home Improvement
Yeaaaaah
This was so impactful that I only recently realized the title of the actual TV show wasn't "Tool Time". People talked about a mysterious show called "Home Improvement" and I didn't even suspect it was the one I watched with my parents all those years ago
Interdimensional Cable from Rick and Morty is outrageous. GTA's radio stations (VCPR was the best) and TV shows are often really funny. The Pißwasser beer commercial from IV always gets me.
It's got a much... umm more improvisational.. uhh feel. Oh geeze.
I like that someone figured out half assing things can be just as funny or even funnier than putting in the effort to make it look more professional.
Now I'm curious about who first bottled that lightning.
Maybe the makers of Aqua Teen Hunger Force? Half the characters in there seemed like they were making it up as they went and is the earliest one I can think of where that was a common theme.
Home Movies came later but is the earliest where that's applied to media produced "in-universe" that I can think of.
Home Improvement was earlier than both and Tim was often out of his league on his show, but that was more of a "ill prepared but at least trying to be professional" act than "making it up as we go and not even trying to hide it".
Check out https://nestflix.fun/ for a Netflix-like way to browse popular fictional media like this
You just won the thread.
I'm sad they're not videos, but what a treasure trove.
Control: Threshold Kids
and Bitch Hunter from 30 Rock
By the same token, Night Springs from Alan Wake
What about Milf Island?
Threshold Kids is delightfully creepy but ultimately painful to watch, which perfectly fits the setting.
When does the Rural Jourer come out?
shüm
The "I'd buy that for a dollar!" guy from Robocop.
Tropic Thunder movie previews
Gems
Ballfondlers from Rick and Morty
Impotent Rage from GTA V
The Silver Shroud from Fallout 4
As far as other media within Rick & Morty, the Second Life-like "Roy" is something that I wish could exist. Immersive gameplay, accelerated time, tangible experiences, and endless possibilities.
And assuming that human beings work on it imagine what skills and abilities you could acquire.
It's kind of like the piccolo thing in Star Trek the next generation with picard. Like imagine playing a video game and then coming home and being a rockstar guitarist on par with Slash, or getting 50 years worth of meditation and monk training in before work on Monday on top of a second lifetime full of martial arts training.
Something like that would be so revolutionary it would dwarf any kind of nonlethal AI apocalypse in comparison.
Just throw a Mr. Meeseeks box at it, et voilà!
"The Wall" in Solar Opposites. It's arguably better than the main story.
yes and yes.
“Scary door” from Futurama
It’s a play on the twilight zone and it’s quite something.
“A casino where I’m always winning? This must be heaven!” “A casino where I always win… I must actually be… IN HELL!”
“No Mr. smith. You’re not in heaven or hell. You’re on an airplane!”
“Help! There’s a gremlin destroying the plane! You’ve gotta believe me!”
“Why should I believe you?! You’re Hitler!”
For those interested: The Scary Door
It's Twilight Zone, but only the twists
Saw it coming
All the ads in Robocop and Starship Troopers really
"Ya Heard? With Perd!" in parks and recreation.
More like Turd Crapley!
The Adventures of Captain Proton from Star Trek: Voyager!
Yes! Much better than Flotter anyway.
If games count then all the radio stations in GTA
The book House of Leaves is presented as a documentary within a book within a book. Really fun read, too
I wonder how many times someone has tried to turn House Of Leaves into a movie or a series. It would be pretty wild no matter how they tried it.
I'm sure plenty of times, but the horror in HOL is pretty minimal tbh, I can't imagine it would be easy to do.
Someone did make a phenomenal DOOM mod inspired by it though
Mysterious Mysteries of Strange Mystery from Invader Zim
Come to Zim!
“Invitation to Love”, the soap opera within the show “Twin Peaks”.
Thank you!!! I was going to post this but figured I'd make sure nobody else had already. Terrific taste, Twin Peaks is my all-time favorite tv show 😗🤌
This is what I was going to say. It's so weird, I love it.
McBain in The Simpsons is a classic.
This video stitches the movie together somewhat.
HYPNOTOAD
The lore books in The Elder Scrolls series, hands-down.
There is an entire universe of conflicting knowledge, personal bias, and unreliable narrators that leave Tamriel's history feeling very real, and very open to interpretation. The fun of it is piecing together the truth somewhere in the middle. But I'll die on the hill that the Arcturian Heresy is absolute horseshit written by a madman, and comparable to the scribbles of a paranoid schizophrenic on an anti-vax forum. Anyone who references that volume in regards to Tiber Septim and the forming of the empire is an impressionable dweeb.
the Wall in Solar Opposites.
Way more interesting than the actual Solar Opposites. 😂
I might actually stick just those parts end to end and put it in a bottle and throw it into the high seas. 🦜☠️
Three Dog, the radio DJ for "Galaxy News Radio" within Fallout 3, was one of the best parts of the game.
The Fallout series has lots of other media within media too, like the Grognak the Barbarian comic series or Cat's Paw magazine.
Three dog is a treasure
BECAUSE ONE AIN'T ENOUGH AND TWO IS TOO LOW!
Homer’s Odyssey.
Most modern adaptations present the stories Odysseus tells while visiting the Phaeacians as if they were the actual plot—but Homer’s audience would have known Odysseus as a notorious liar and trickster and wouldn’t necessarily have regarded his stories as true even within the context of the frame narrative. Homer’s epic focuses as much on the parallel stories of Telemachus and Penelope—I read the underlying story as their struggle to untangle Odysseus from his own web of deceptions and fantasies and bring him back to reality.
Teen Girl Squad!
"ARRRRROWED!!!"
"Ow, my skin!"
dag, yo
Springtime for Hitler, The Producers https://youtu.be/1zY1orxW8Aw
Interesting! I didn't know there was a movie. The version I saw on stage was even more over-the-top (very stereotypical gay coded)
1967, dir Mel Brooks - I mean, who else? What a guy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Producers_(1967_film)
This is not exactly what you're asking for (media inside media), but it's really close in spirit (nested narratives), and I really like it: a book written in Portuguese in the XIX century, called Noite na Taverna (Night in the Tavern).
The book has an overarching story of friends telling each other stories in a tavern, over booze; with all those nested stories being about love, despair, and death (it has a strong gothic vibe).
And, as each character tells the others a story, there's always that fishy smell that the story might be actually bullshit; and other characters do raise some doubts about its in-universe veracity (like Bertram does to Solfieri). And you, as the reader, do the same - but in no moment you question the veracity of the overarching story, and you feel like you're inside the tavern alongside the drunkards.
So it's a lot like the author is toying with your suspension of disbelief - redirecting it from the overarching story to the nested stories, and as you doubt the later you get even more immersed into the former.
If I must use an example of media within media, then my choice would be "The Book" within Orwell's 1984. I think that it's a great piece because it shows Orwell's views on politics and society, while still serving narrative and worldbuilding purpose - for Winston it's a material proof of the Inner Party's bullshit, for O'Brien it's a tool of the Inner Party to sniff out dissidence. (Note: 1984 is extremely misrepresented nowadays, I'm aware, but I still like it.)
Also, the appendix talks about ingsoc policies in the past tense. They lost.
I've never noticed this usage of the past tense in the appendix about Newspeak - you're right, it does. And it's also written in standard English, so interpreting it as written in a world after Oceania fell is viable.
And following this line of thought we could even interpret the main story as a narrative within another.
Another possibility is that the appendix is not written in-universe, and uses the past tense because it's how people expect storytelling to be written in English, with Orwell speaking directly to the reader instead of Winston Smith.
I haven't finished the book, but I have to give it to the "Navidson record" in "House of leaves".
House of leaves is a book about a guy who finds a manuscript about a movie that doesn't exist. So there are multiple layers on the narrative, from near to far you have:
The reason why I have to give it to that particular piece of media within media is that everyone else in the book is a pain in the ass that feels that you have to drag yourself to in order to get to the next chapter of the Navidson record. So in a way it's a fictional media within a fictional media that's better than the fictional media it belongs to.
And in case you haven't heard of house of leaves, I'll leave you with a page from the book:
The book is brilliant, even if it's difficult to read and follow. The satire of art criticism is just so on point.
...And it's hard to know if the Navidson record and house never really existed or not (in the context of the book) because of the way Johnny is slowly unraveling. It's got strong elements of cosmic horror to it, along with razor-sharp satire, and the delineation in writings styles between Johnny's personal narrative, Zampano, and the various journal articles are written really sells the entire piece.
Threshold Kids in the Video game control it was a kids TV series to teach kids in the game about the FBC it was kinda bonkers
yeah those were really fun/ disturbing
Here's a website about those kinds of fake shows
Delightful!!
Just saw "The Play That Goes Wrong," and it is a two hour masterpiece of a play within a play.
I see videos of complete productions on youtube. Go watch one.
I just stated watching The Goes Wrong Show on Amazon. Not sure if I would appreciate more than 1 episode a night, but the first one had me laughing so hard I couldn't breathe.
Awesome and funny play.
For something similar Noises Off is a hilarious movie about pretty much the same thing.
Noises Off is one of the funniest things I've seen in my life. Loved every second of it.
I'm a big fan of fake brands/products in anime. I don't know why, but they bring me joy.
Sick Sad World from Daria. I'd love that show
The “Busty Asian Beauties” running gag in supernatural. Was a magazine, website etc. Always gave me a chuckle.
"The Deb of Night" radio show from Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines is consistently hilarious and a great way to relax between the more horrific parts of the game. Bonus points for one of the regular callers guessing the plot of the game by complete chance and one of the main villains calling in to threaten whoever might be listening.
I occasionally on long drives will queue up the full playlist of The Deb of Night and treat it as real radio.
"Ow, My Balls" is a claaaassic.
Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff from Homestuck. Although it actually predates Homestuck and was retroactively converted into media-within-media, does that still count?
Lestat being a rockstar and fronting his own band.
The 80s were a magical time
"Well, that about wraps it up for God" by Oolon Colluphid
Invitation To Love the soap opera that a lot of residents of Twin Peaks, especially Nadine, seemingly adored.
Crash Nebula and The Crimson Chin from Fairly Oddparents are both great
Seven on 7 is a series of TV news shorts and commercials from The Boys universe. It's a delightful little parody of Fox News. The whole series is available free on YouTube.
Gotta love The Rise and Fall of Sanctuary Moon from The Murderbot Diaries.
We never actually find out what happens in it, though.
We know a little, there's a whole wiki page about it lol just pieces together from Murderbot's descriptions. - but according to the author, it's like "How To Get Away With Murder" but in space.
"S." by Doug Dorst is in itself a fake novel, where the "real" story takes place as handwritten notes in the margins to form the complete story, the fake novel itself just a prop. But reading the novel-within-a-novel-that-is-the-novel "Ship of Thesus" by itself is an interesting short surreal read.
