Indian start-up Yes Madam fires employees who indicated being stressed in the survey

It was toxic internet point grabbing in action - https://indianstartupnews.com/news/yes-madam-clarifies-on-firing-over-100-employees-for-being-stressed-says-no-one-was-fired-it-was-an-awareness-initiative-8416411

It's it actually toxic if you really do benefit from it?

And when output and production drop 35% next quarter, you can be damn sure they'll whip out the "We're a family here!!!" talk as they announce even more layoffs to pad the bottom line.

There are ten livestock animals in captivity for every one human. You're still lucky to be born a human anywhere on earth, because we are the monsters.

Why is India that way?

I remember it, and then I remember I’m in that 1/4th

I have spawned in a very similar place soo. Eeh

"Beatings didn't work. Let's try hunger and homelessness"

Yeah, they did, but the remaining employees won't dare complain about it so management sees this as a twofer win.

And have learned that lying is the best policy

Beatings will continue until morale improves.

Or engage with them but expect the repercussions.

I'm very candid when this shit comes around my corp and am extremely nuanced in explaining the culture challenges.

The trick is to not explicitly call anyone out and highlight it's a systemic problem.

I have always engaged with every one of them and have been negative quite often yet never anything bad came of it. Probably because we have employee rights where I live. So the actual problem is americas lacks of rights.

I worked for a youuuuuuge international corporation that did a survey in the late 1990s.

They took them extremely seriously and trained and replaced the poor performing leadership.

It led to a big jump in profits.

The stoner dudes high as balls 247 who don't give a shit and are not stressed a bit: :DDD

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It seems that it's most likely an out-of-touch marketing stunt. The company, Yes Madam, is apparently launching some sort of corporate wellness program type thing so they are likely going to pivot this publicity into "Treating employees like that would be awful right?! But companies do have stressed employees and should take care of them with...blah".

I hope it fully backfires and they go out of business.

EDIT: It just hit me that they are going to say "We didn't have a single employee who indicated stress on the survey, because we take care of our employees."

It's India. Of course it's not fake.

Years ago I heard this story about a company in India that held a fire drill. Once everybody was gathered outside, they made the announcement that for about a third of them their key cards wouldn't work anymore because they were fired. My colleagues from India at the time said that sounded very real.

The only thing I could find is that Yes Madam is a real company and that the sender is indeed the HR head of that company. So if it's fake, someone kept the header and signature of a real email. Or maybe a real email sent on April 1st? I have a hard time believing that this is real (not that a company wouldn't do this, but the fact that they would admit to it so blatantly like it's not a bad thing).

It was a marketing stunt: https://www.afaqs.com/news/social-media/yes-madams-termination-email-unveiled-as-campaign-to-address-workplace-stress-8416050

That email is company wide, not specific to those fired

I respond to all of them with brutal honestly. My most recent one was along the lines of

"A major topic of the town hall meeting was the push to get [sales number] by the end of the year. We did the same thing last year and I got a 2% raise. What is my incentive to make you money if my raises don't even match inflation?"

Even if it's anonymous, my boss knows it's me. This way I can bring it up in my review as a callback as opposed to trying to awkwardly work it in to the conversation

Recently at a company town hall, "please respond the anonymous employee satisfaction survey."

My boss a couple of weeks later, "HR says they need more surveys from our group. Please encourage your teams to fill them out."

Yeah, completely anonymous.

And why is the url they send always "website.com/survey-name/[random hash]"? Why are there trackers on this totally anonymous, fo sho, survey link?

It was reported by several outlets as true.

https://www.business-standard.com/companies/news/yesmadam-fires-employees-after-stress-survey-hr-s-email-sparks-outrage-124120900791_1.html

Risky publicity stunt if that’s what it was.

The company faced significant backlash after allegedly terminating employees under stress and later clarified that the move was part of an awareness initiative.

lmao yeah right. Get fucked. "Ohh we tots didn't mean it besties"

According to... ?

And you really believe that?

"Let's pretend we fire all employees that are stressed out over or horror practices, will be a great commercial!"

What that link says is that they fucked around and found out and are now making up bullshit excuses to contain the find.

No one tell them about poor or mentally ill people 😭

I doubt the people who's kids are going to starve because they were so stressed at work agree with you on that.

Have a bath? NO. GET A BIKE.

There was quite a few in the UK as well, mostly in Leicester (large Indian immigrant population there). People being paid £3 an hour when it should have been about £8 at the time.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/13/poor-working-conditions-persist-in-leicester-garment-factories-finds-survey

If you buy cheap clothes from the likes of BooHoo you should know that they're made in these places, and if you buy expensive clothes, then they're probably made in the exact same conditions with a nicer label sewn in the back and a better PR department to handwave away any wrongdoing.

Has this been reported? If this Is in Canada there are worker protection services....

https://bunelaw.com/unjustly-fired/

I work with a few Indian development teams, and "sweatshop" is an apt description. We work on software dependencies, as specified by them. After we deliver, they decide it's not what they wanted, change the specs and treat it as a "drop everything else" bug. It gives me no greater pleasure than telling them to relax, that we'll get to it in due time when we have the capacity. I like to think that a few of their managers already popped a vein.

I've been subject to the same treatment by a white person in Canada. Three out of my 5 colleagues were from India because apparently they were the only ones that could take it. They didn't fire me they made my life hell until I quit because of my mental health crisis. They made me sign bad performance reviews, the manager and her assistant shouted and screamed at me and made me work on holidays and kept accusing me of things that are not true until I quit. They did this to other people as well and no one had any grounds to sue them because they knew how to play the game. It's not just Indians that do this in Canada. Some Canadians do it too. This happen in the national capital region no less.

More like the onion banji

(Ba-dum tsh)

If anyone has questions about what bhartiya means, it means Indian.

So the whole phrase means 100% purely Indian company. Equivalent to the phrase 100% purely American company.

In both countries, this could indicate alignment with the ultra nationalist party in power who have been espousing a push to produce goods within the country instead of importing from china, or just a normal support local businesses thing.

I don't know much about Indian laws and work culture, but many Indians I spoke to mentioned the work culture in their country is highly toxic. They prefer to work in American and Western companies instead of Indian-grown ones.

Last time I was in Bangalore there was an 80% completed, multi-story downtown building that 'didn't exist'.

It's not the laws that matter, it's who you know.

Watching Mike Okay videos, even things that aren't legal seem to be commonplace. The video where he visited a small jeans factory in a crawlspace above another shop that had ladder access, and where the off-dity employees slept on the floor underneath the workbenches where other workers were working, a small room with ceilings so low he had to stoop, that gave me the heebie jeebies

Whenever I talk to an Indian about politics, the one thing they always mention is how bad corruption is in India. So I doubt that, even if it is illegal, they'll face any repercussions, so long as they've padded the pockets of the right person.

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My partner took an "anonymous" survey at work once.

When the results came out, it categorised the results. Site, m/f/o, role.

Turns out that there was only one female engineer at her site... So everybody knew she was annoyed about some specific things.

Wouldn't be surprised to hear this shit was mandatory.

Glad someone mentioned it, that was my immediate thought.

https://indianstartupnews.com/news/yesmadam-asks-employees-if-they-are-stressed-hr-says-we-fired-those-who-answered-yes-8326306

Well there are a few stories on it so far. Guess we will find out if real in the next few days.

Why exactly did you decide to write that?

Any employee has more understanding of their own best interests than you or their employer do, and these folks had been choosing to remain with the company up until that moment.

So one can reasonably assume that most people are worse off when they get fired, even given any survey response whatsoever.