maybe the woke was inside us all along

The woke is coming from inside the house!
- They were worried about exterior pedophiles this whole time when the interior pedophiles were the problem the whole time!
  
  This guy just solved right wing politics

My uncle has a male pictogram on his bathroom door and a female on the door to the kitchen.
- If he ever enters the kitchen he becomes genderfluid
  
  Ah shit that reminded me to change the gender fluid in my car. Thanks.
- Needless to say, aunt shits in the woods
  
  No, she shits in the kitchen.

Is anybody honestly against single occupancy gender neutral bathrooms? I always took it to be a matter of multi-occupancy bathrooms.
- here is an example. im not educated enough to know the specifics, but this would bar single occupancy gender neutral bathrooms in most cases except when the building is too small it seems.
  the fact that it is going to legislation at all is of course absurd and obviously just anti-woke posturing. if the government cares about “dignity and privacy” they’d ban communal bathrooms in the first place.
  
  Pretty sure it doesn't ban single occupancy bathrooms. It bans multi-occupancy gender neutral bathrooms - like bathrooms with stalls that share the same set of sinks. Don't get me wrong it's still dumb, but not as bad as you are thinking.
  
  What the ever living fuck? Why? For what good?
  Will British Airways be required to have separate toilets for men and women on their planes? If not, what is the reason for the inconsistency? If it's allowed on an airplane, why is it not allowed on the ground?
  
  Some would argue offering women a man-free bathroom is feminism, YMMV
- No, not really.. But multi-occupancy isn't that different. Every stall has a lock, same as out houses.
  
  its about the efficiency of urinals versus the trauma of cross-traffic.
- Everytime this nonsense comes up I point out communal bathrooms are the problem. Maybe someday people will understand.
- My church has these which is pretty funny to think about
- It's a case of efficiency. Stalls and urinals take less space than single occupancy bathrooms - which translates into smaller buildings costing less money to build, maintain, heat, a lower impact on climate and also allowing a higher efficiency usage of land.
  Besides, most places that have stalls also have at least one large gender neutral single occupancy bathroom with extra features such as a baby station and disability adaptations.
  Unless there suddenly becomes a huge demand for gender neutral bathrooms, I don't see why that additional bathroom wouldn't be sufficient to serve people who can't use the regular bathrooms.
- Someone must be, if the UK is banning them.
  
  Well, they're not. It's only multi occupancy ones, which I'm not sure why they're banning because I've literally never seen one anywhere.
  Standard all mouth, no effort needed policy by the Tories.
  
  I believe this is England only. Health (which I believe this will fall under) is a devolved matter and the other governments are thankfully a bit more sane.

The gender stuff is just a distraction from the resource hoarding and exploitation of the working class. The people in positions of authority or power (like 0.0001%) don’t really care about their religious “beliefs” etc. or whatever else drives them to say they care about gender neutral bathrooms. The only real belief for such 0.0001 percenters is self preservation.
But there definitely are useful idiots in the lower ranks who are manipulated using religion to pretend they’re all somehow morally superior while they’re being cowardly or petty.
- Idk it always seemed like knowing that gender is a social construct / or performance clarifies how to resolve the exploitation of people in the working class who have to perform oppressive roles because of their gender. It really is emancipatory as in it allows no linkage of production roles with biological attributes, for starters. And even allows the working class to stop dividing itself on the basis of gender. There will always be short sighted or selfish actors who turn the movement towards bourgeois interpretations.
  
  True. The more divisions between workers we eliminate (be they gender, race, national origin, whatever) the better it is for all workers.

The most impressive bathroom layout I've ever seen was pretty open concept. It seems strange, but let me explain.
Directly off of a major area was basically a hallway, on that hallway was a set of doors. Full sized doors. One right after the other. Each door led to a room which is smaller than most closets, containing a toilet. That was about it for what's in the room. Of course the usual toilet/stall amenities were available. At the end of this hallway of toilet closets, was a long sink for handwashing.
It was entirely gender neutral, and there was zero risk of rape or any other perceived danger.
I'm sure the closet stall design took up slightly more floor space than your average bathroom stall. Honestly it seems like a small price to pay to have a room all to yourself when you're doing your business.
I'm sure that adopting this design would get cries from the fragile men about their precious urinals. Honestly, fuck them. The toilet does the job, you animal.
- You REALLY overestimate how much men like urinals. Have you ever seen an urinal at anyone's home? Men would be perfectly fine with toilets.
  
  That's some interesting conjecture there. Clearly you and I know different kinds of fellows.
  Some of the guys I know would rather piss outside than go find a toilet. A tree is about as close as you can get to a urinal in nature. I've also seen guys wait for a urinal when toilets are clearly available.
  Of course, not all men are like this, but I've met a nontrivial number who are.
  I've known guys who had urinals installed in their homes and whatnot. IMO, it's weird, but they can do what they want.
  To be perfectly clear, I don't believe that represents the majority of men, but an outspoken minority can be noisy enough to push the needle one way or another simply because the majority doesn't care one way or the other. It happens all the time.
  There's also the mindset of maintaining the status quo at all costs, whether because those people simply do not want to adapt or change, or because they want those that don't fit into the narrow heteronormative viewpoint. The underlying reasons change, and sometimes people are genuine in their reasoning, but it's all reasoning to keep with what we have and not change to something that is objectively better.
  
  I'm not sure how to feel now since three of my friends grew up in houses with urinals. Those were the upper middle class kids in suburban Bavaria.
  
  The reason urinals aren't in homes is because enough women hate them that it affects the home a value.
  
  I'd like to install a flushless urinal in my home one day. That and a Japanese bidet.
  
  I usually choose toilet instead of urinal
- yep this is the way
  …and precisely what conservatives are trying to get a ban on
- I'm sure that adopting this design would get cries from the fragile men about their precious urinals. Honestly, fuck them. The toilet does the job, you animal.
  They started putting in gender neutral bathrooms where I work. They also put in a few urinals, behind closed doors, just like the rest of the toilets. It’s not even an issue (unless you like checking out other dudes’ junk with the current setup).

Reactionaries are entirely silly in world view and dangerous in action.

Oh, I have made several comments suggesting the implementation of single occupant bathrooms in places like schools, and been downvoted into oblivion. Now suddenly, a post like this one sounds like a good idea to everyone on Lemmy?!?
- weird lol im sorry!?
  this post definitely popped off more than i expected. 1.2k votes for what i thought was just a fluff shitpost is crazy lol.
  
  It’s a good point to make in a post! I agree with it. I guess to be fair, my previous comments had included the idea of implementing outhouses in schools, and some people replied that they would just not use the bathroom at all, if that were the case. Sigh…oh well. You can’t please everyone, I guess.

They know that. They are used to breaking in on their kids and spouses in vulnerable positions in the gender neutral bathrooms in their homes. They are used to “accidentally” walking in on their neighbor’s kids who are visiting.
Why do you think they are scared of that kind of bathroom in public?

Gender Neutral bathroom supporters when you ask who they would rather go camping with
- I must've missed the part where digging holes to poop in nature is now gender specific.
  
  I am referencing the bear dilemma which uses the same argument that people who are against gender neutral bathrooms use

I know it is a meme, but males are well known for their rape habits, and a bathroom seems like the perfect place for that... So yeha, keep those divided please. Still, allow trans people to go wherever they feel comfortable. The percentage of trans people is too low to be a concern.
- Genuine question: public toilets aren't typically locked. Does the fact one of the doors has a picture of a woman on it stop a determined rapist?
  
  Even if we didn’t achieve fairness for trans people just yet, it’d be so fun if we took this logical determination of “Even if criminals break laws anyway, they can put friction on the act itself and help them be caught earlier” and push it back to the conservative topic of gun control; where they have claimed exactly the opposite.
  It’s still bullshit on bathroom control because the two acts would be less than a minute apart with no likely witnesses. There’s far more demonstrable harm in gender exclusion in bathrooms.
  
  Genuine question. In India train wagons are divided by gender. What prevents a man from going in there?
  Is that division pointless? Why don't you ask females how they feel about that division.
  
  In fairness, it's not a picture of the woman, it's the essential restriction for men to be there multiplied by the chance that, at any time, there could be multiple women there to witness you entering the place and protecting others/describing you to the police.
  I myself all for gender neutral, but the credit has to be given.
- Rapists rape. Men don't.
  
  Most rapists are men. That was my point. This is a fact in case you want to get angry at facts.
- I get the feeling that if a man wanted to rape a woman a dedicated women's bathroom would be a better target.
  In gender neutral bathrooms there might be another man in there instead of a woman, or a woman and a man. Also straight couples and mixed gender friends groups can go into gender neutral bathrooms together. I would say this is very likely to decrease the risk of rape crimes happening. Safety in numbers.
  Personally there's been times while traveling that I wished my husband and I didn't have to separate to take bathroom breaks cuz we were at some sketchy, secluded rest stop off the highway. I would've felt safer with a gender neutral restroom in those instances.
  
  Yeha, I think having a third gender neutral bathroom would be nice. But don't remove the sense of security some women get from women-only bathrooms.
  I think most people feel comfortable with the division. I wouldn't mind going into the gender neutral to pee, but if I had to take a shit, I wouldn't want to do that next to women.
- The problem arises around trans people that are not perfectly "passing".
  One can be a trans woman and look too male/gender neutral, and how should we treat that? We can't run a gender check on everyone who enters.
  
  I wouldn't mind a gender neutral bathroom as long as the other alternatives are still available. That's fair.
- What percentage of males do you believe rape people?
  
  Enough to be considered a problem.
- This reminds me of how females are known for their false rape accusations. Maybe men are safer this way too!
  
  Yes.