Was volcel a mistake?
Was volcel a mistake?
the study's age range was 10-24.
Article isnt even about video games
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"People still living at home with their parents want movies to have less sex scenes" according to BigSurpriseMagasine
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yeah it was always awkward as fuck growing up enjoying a good fast-paced flick with the fam and then suddenly there's just two minutes of darkness, lotioned skin, whispery plosives, breathy vowels, and macaroni mixing sounds, all with the mic volume WAY THE FUCK UP versus other scenes where you can't even hear people talk under the soundtrack. And then everyone has to sit there and act like it isn't happening, or race to be the first one to get up and go pee, and this was back before everyone had smartphones to distract themselves with.
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Do not. I repeat. DO NOT let your brother choose The Devil’s Advocate for movie night at the family reunion.
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its going to stay that way for most due to how astronomically high housing is in this shit country
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What they really need is a way to stop parents from walking in the EXACT MOMENT when a sex scene plays
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Sex scenes in games and movies are just always awkward. I can't think of a time when it's actually added to the narrative. Just makes it uncomfortable to watch with other people.
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Seems like a tool to look more “adult”
Kinda like a middle schooler who thinks saying “fuck” every other word makes them cool
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I can't think of a time when it's actually added to the narrative
watch a decently made movie then. citing people failing to successfully use a creative tool as a reason it shouldn't exist is ridiculous
- I'm personally passing a law to make it illegal
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It also gave us this meme so that helps
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i think this is a you thing and not a film thing
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Your level of upset tickles me. I curse you so that you may never see a sex scene ever again! Moohahahhaha
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Same. I often fast forward through them especially when they're too long.
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I stopped reading Berserk because of that shit
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honestly the issue I have with sex scenes isn't that they exist per se, it's that there's almost always insufficient time to really set up the appropriate level of emotional connection that makes it not awkward. a movie of ~2 hours length certainly isn't enough time; you can put a timeskip saying "1 month later" on the screen but that's only in-universe, it doesn't make me feel any better. in games it's a little better as they can be longer, but not all of a game's, say, 60-80 hour runtime (in the case of games like Baldur's Gate 3) is gonna be dialogue and relationship-building, most of it's gonna be defeating enemies or doing other stuff.
and also real flirting can be hard to depict in games with approval systems - like, I say something that you agree with enough times in conversations and you suddenly wanna get in my pants? where did that come from? feels very "press correct button X times to receive sex," though fundamentally a video game cannot be any other way because, well, that's how code works. I have seen few games (at least ones that aren't explicitly a romance game as opposed to a game that happens to contain romance) displaying a genuine building of attraction over time as opposed to a sudden shift from "we did a great job saving those guys and defeating the monsters. +1 to Approval" and then 5 seconds later "ohoho I can feel the electricity between us, I've never felt this way before...". those that do have those appropriate arcs tend to already have already very suave, charismatic, handsome men like Ezio Auditore from Assassin's Creed and his romance with... everybody, but especially Sforza or whatever her name was.
but again, I am generally pro-sex scene even if the implementations sometimes (often?) aren't done very well imo
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Largely how i feel about it. I'm not against the concept of sex in media its just the implementation generally feels inauthentic and a bit cringe. I can understand that its hard to do right or use effectively but that doesn't mean I'm some puritanical mormon if I think most of them are just shit and cringe to watch.
Its not like i have the same reaction if I see people irl making out or expressing love openly its just the fake depiction in media that bothers me somewhat.
Interesting that some in this thread are coming to great assumptions of people over something like this though i find that odd.
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What the fuck are these people watching? Euphoria maybe? Game of Thrones?
I want more sex in my media. Every video game, TV show and movie can only be improved by graphic, preferably gay sex
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I don't watch movies i just catch prestige TV by being in the room while it's on. Maybe it's a choice made by the people watching them but it seems like every single TV show has a sex scene every other episode. If not a R scene
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Maybe if you’re watching HBO exclusively or something about serial killers
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We need to return to Paul Verhoeven where the movie is an excuse to show 10 sex scenes but also antifascist
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Paul Verhoeven movies are exactly the kind of art the scolds in this thread hate. They would never allow Showgirls to be made if they were in charge
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I had a discussion with somebody on this site and they claimed that leftists should never create satire because Starship Troopers was satire and fascists mis-interpreted it.
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That is the opposite. Showgirls is the perfect example. Fun sexy stuff happens in thst movie and it makes sense. The stuff people don't like is like objectifing women by default in every action movie. There is a time and a place for sexy fun and it is simply not every single time.
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I want more casual sex in media, but less sexualization of everything.
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exactly, there's a way to do sex positivity without turning everything into almost-softcore-porn for 3 minutes
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obviously there are many movies with pointless sex scenes that should have been cut or changef, but also some movies would work significantly less well without them
a lot of people have sex, and for many it's a big part of life and their relationships. anything that important irl should be represented in art
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Which movie do you think has most benefited from a sex scene?
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It Follows. The sex being so awkward and uncomfortable made that movies point better than any dialogue could have
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man that's tough. fire walk with me for sure, but for sex scenes that aren't terrifying sexual assault scenes maybe portrait of a lady on fire? i can think of a few others, the handmaiden, moonlight, etc. in general, i think most sex scenes in otherwise good movies don't bring down the quality of the movie as long as it makes sense for the characters. people fuck! it happens! if done artfully it can enhance your understanding of the characters, and even if not handled perfectly as long as it makes sense it takes a decent amount to get too gratuitous for me
that's not to say i'm cool with all horny bullshit in movies or tv, there's so much anime out there that needs to have tits shoved awkwardly on screen regularly. but when an anime reads like the creators know what sex is then it doesn't bug me that much. chainsaw man is horny but i don't mind it. chainsaw man is made better by how it handles its horniness imo. in general as long as sexuality is handled with care it's no worse than any other element that could show up in a film
also a lot of people act like there are tons of movies with sex in them, and that just isn't the case. i mean, not anymore at least. they show up, but the vast majority of hollywood blockbusters are completely sexless
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True Detective (season 1). Rust has one which is really impactful.
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The Fly
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if a tv show counts, there's that one scene in the boys and why even watch any of it if they're gonna cut the shrinking guy doing that?
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i think people are more interested in seeing, you know, actual functioning and real relationships. not bullshit. sex is a very small part of any real relationship
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But sex scenes are a very small part of media. Unless you’re game of thrones and it’s thrown in your face every 5 seconds because the producers are so perverted they made the actresses refuse to be nude in future seasons.
But the point is that people freak out about sex are usually more annoying than the ones who get horny over a 5 second flash of a boob on screen
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Also, prestige TV fucking sucks. Id rather watch cute and dumb cartoons than the next 1000 grimdark sex murder shows
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Pizza Tower but it's a TV-MA dramedy.
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the volcel meme was always weird. like as someone with 20 something years of women experience it makes me deeply uncomfortable when i meet people like this irl. they almost always sexualize my body without my consent. i know most hexbears aren't doing it for creepy or misogynistic reasons but its still super uncomfortable. like its fine online as a meme but if i heard this irl im getting away from that person as quickly as possible. also 10-24 is quite young most of these kids will hopefully grow out of this. EDIT i am an old user i fully understand the site culture i was a minor when all the gross shit was happening in reddit.
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the volcel meme was always weird.
It comes from the old sub where it emerged as a way to "jokingly" confrontationally shut down redditors and combat the
culture of gross hornyposting whenever a thread was at least tangentially about a woman, which is only a few steps down from unsolicited dickpics and catcalling in the creepy cishet guy arsenal of tools to lash out at and feel like they're exerting control over women. The sub at the time had only 3 or 4 mods IIRC and an extremely hands-off moderation culture compared to its later purge of stupidpol posters or this site's repeated struggle sessions and purges that have arrived at the current aggressive crackdowns on style thirstposting, so the community had to rely on bullying to shut the redditors down.-
i know! i was on the old sub. i fully understand the culture. every time i complain about it people try explaining it to me like i just dont understand i know! in fact i was minor who the policy should have been protecting lol (i hope some of yall know you were flirting with a 16 year old lol). doest change the amount of shitty and disguised sexulization the culture creates (suddenly everything with a womens body requires anti horny memes which if you are the only one sexaulizing nin sexual things youre the problem), and makes people feel comfortable saying awful misanthropic and misogynistic things like seen in this thread and many others. listen, its a part of the site culture and it was mainly implemented to protect trans women so I as a afab nonbinary person dont call for the whole thing to me abandoned (i know trans women get harassed 10 time more than me so i can suck it up for their benefit), i just fucking hate it and how its used for misogynistic reasons. and if people are being gross to me they usually get banned anyway so im fine its just annoying. sorry for sounding frustrated i just hate that every time i voice frustration someone feels this need to explain it to me like im some ignorant newbie instead of a longtime user who this policy is suppose to protect. i know you dont have bad intentions koba, thank you, i just get so annoyed when i feel condescended to. but yeah im gonna have to change my name to othello-I-AM-AN-OLD-USER
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People like to fuck. This is mostly true even for asexual people (the main difference is that non-sex-repulsed asexual people aren't driven by a desire to fuck but the actual sexual act itself can still be fun to them). And people can get very creative in where and when they fuck. Art should reflect this reality on some level.
I feel like the same creepy people would be shocked to learn teleworkers are using their time WFH to fuck on the company clock. Like, people already hook up on company time before Covid for a quickie. WFH makes it much easier lmao
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I want to see actual penetration in films. Bring back squibs and have all the avengers fuck each other
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THOR: Last Tango in Asgard.
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Now here's the twist, and there is a twist...
We show it.
We show all of it.
Because what's the one major thing missing from all action movies these days, guys?
Full penetration
Guys, we're gonna show full penetration and we're gonna show a lot it
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they make those movies and tbh the writing isn't noticeably worse than marvel
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They should poll 6 year olds and ask them if they find kissing on screen to be nasty and icky
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the american zoomers are so progressive they're reinventing the hays code lmao
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I don't think all physical intimacy should be wiped from media. I don't think we should act like breasts should be shielded at all costs because it makes people feel awkward due to being raised in a society that makes breasts naughty.
I think there's room for nude scenes and physical intimacy in movies, but the way its done sucks. Like you don't need to show the penetration, but a short sex scene and a segue to a couple cuddling and the occasional nip popping out is just real life.
When I was a kid my grandma took me to see the dukes of hazard movie. There's a scene where the duke boys are running through a dorm to get away from the sheriff and they run into a room of a bunch of college girls doing a topless pillow fight. My grandma didn't cover my eyes and gasp, she started cracking up because it was funny and silly and they're just breasts at the end of the day. I watched plenty of movies with my parents with a random nude scene and sure it was a little awkward but we laughed it off and if it was egregiously long we'd fast forward.
I understand people being tired of shitty hollywood sex scenes, but I don't think its good enough reason to do a 180 and never see a stray nip in a movie ever again. That just feels like a marvel capeshit attitude.
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I don't think all physical intimacy should be wiped from media. I don't think we should act like breasts should be shielded at all costs because it makes people feel awkward due to being raised in a society that makes breasts naughty.
I understand people being tired of shitty hollywood sex scenes, but I don't think its good enough reason to do a 180 and never see a stray nip in a movie ever again.
I'm confused about who you're arguing against, neither the headline nor the article give me the impression that anyone is suggesting that.
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generally in conversation with other comments here at the time of posting.
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I’ll be okay with sex scenes in media when it’s well intentioned and comes from a place that isn’t saturated by western ideals of misogyny and body shaming. Not to mention the rampant sexual abuse and misogyny present in Hollywood.
Shit like Geralt seeing how many women he can bang for cool cards is objectifying af. Shit like bond banging the main woman of the movie every movie is objectifying af. Making the next bond a woman will not change that.
Also on a personal note I have misophonia and the sound of kissing is a big trigger.
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Worth noting Geralt hasn't done that in close to 2 decades now. Witcher 3 sex scenes are actually pretty good in how they're used to deepen or contextualize character relationships
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Agreed, I used to think I was prudish about this because I think some media goes overboard but the fact there's people itt who think the majority of sex scenes in movies serve no purpose is pretty wild. Art depicting a major part of human life? Well I never...
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Well that's the rub no? Gen Z is the most sexless generation. People are getting older without having sex is increasingly more common. The desire for sexless media is probably just linked to that.
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Its just so awkwardly done most of the time. I'm not bothered by sex scenes and I don't watch movies with other people much and I still usually roll my eyes and games are even worse, its like looking at two dolls being slammed together
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There are sex scenes that drag out way too long. Like Pablo Escobar fucking everything with a boob in Narcos. But they toned it down in future seasons. But people act like they’re seeing a penis going into a vagina and ejaculating all over her chest for 5 minutes during some action movie. Typically, at worst, it’s just two people rubbing on each other in the darkness and you see the silhouette of a nipple
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this is DEMOCRACY MANIFEST
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Maybe I'm too
but watching people have sex doesn't add anything to a movie or show for me. -
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If a movie or tv show about political intrigue is interrupted by so.ething that should br on pornhub repeatedly that kinda throws a lot of peoplr off
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I think there should be a cock on screen at all times, and I think hollywood has failed us repeatedly in this regard.
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serious answer: that doesn't happen and it's not real
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What the fuck are you watching
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sex scenes in movies wouldn't even cut it as softcore porn. The nasty shit you see on pornhub has never been in a single hollywood movie
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47.5% of young people say that sex isn’t necessary for the plot of most TV shows and movies
10-24 is a pretty wide ass range for this. Curious if tweens, early teens, late teens, and early 20s differ in any major way. Honestly they should've just polled adults only from every generation, who cares what 12 year olds think
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12 year olds are a key market demographic for media
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Is that really the argument? Imagine if this is taking to it's logical conclusion and everything "not necessary for the plot" is removed from TV shows and movies. What's the point then? There would be zero point in watching the show or movie, reading the plot summary would serve the exact same purpose.
Movies and TV series are supposed to be a form of entertainment and even art on occassion, that takes you on a journey, makes you feel something. That involves many things that don't necessarily advance the plot, but get the audience emotionally invested into the characters, the fictional world, the narratives, the motives. Without that, what is the point? The plot can't exist on its own as a standalone entity. In many cases it even works in an inverse. The plot is used and chosen to make the audience feel a certain way about something. The plot becomes secondary to the same emotions the authors or producers want to convey.
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No, this is people just getting tired of studios mandating thst every movie must be a "four quadrant film" and include a romance subplot. This is people being mad at capitalism
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There are people who would rather read Wikipedias of fictional settings like WH40k, and I don't fucking get it. You might as well just read real-life Wikipedia because at least you're learning something that's tangentially connected to your present situation by virtue of it being information about real life.
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Nah tbh I support them. Nothing worse* than being really invested in a movie then they throw in a gratuitous sex scene that doesn’t move the plot forward at all and messes up the whole flow of the movie. Been saying it for years, not every movie needs a love story and a big sex scene
*hyperbole, there are absolutely worse things than this
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Not everything needs to move the plot forward. In fact, some of the most important parts of movies and series are the scenes or episodes that do not progress the plot.
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The lower part of the age range probably isnt even in puberty yet. Some people dont experience sexual attraction until their mid teens (if at all), so of course it feels a bit gross.
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this just in: 50% of people polled* believe girls are "growdy" and "have cooties"
*Boys aged 6-12
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Also, all their childhood, sex was seen as this scary taboo thing their parents had to shelter them from learning about. So of course they're not going to immediately see sex in an any less taboo light the moment they start experiencing sexual attraction, that takes time.
When you're that young, you probably see sex as nothing but animalistic or lustful. You most likely want to do it at some point, but you can't really understand any beauty in it that's worthy of art.
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i don't care because i don't watch movies but if you're going to show me two people steaming it up unprompted they better not be heterosexuals
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Definitely approve of less sex scenes in videogames (every videogame character I play becomes an asexual, because I have no interest in getting my videogame-man to videogame-plow the videogame-woman -- I'm just here for the combos, folks), and I would like a moratorium on depiction of sexual violence in basically all media until directors at least figure out not to shoot it like fetish porn.
As a strange personal anecdote (which may just be me snitching on myself really hard, but whatever) I've been in the room with people as they just casually watched hardcore pornography (which I still find baffling -- that there are people who will just, like, watch porn with their friend-group), and somehow that was less awkward than watching a movie with those same friends that had an unexpected sex scene. I'm genuinely not sure what to make of that.
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Having my whole party constantly trying to fuck me did not enhance Baldur's Gate 3 in any way. Jesus people I'm a little more worried about the tadpole in my head than the fact that you're horny. You've got a tent if you need release that badly
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Apparently they were extra horned up due to a glitch lol
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my videogame-man
Well, there's your problem.
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Sex scenes in video games can be some of the worst things imaginable. Replaying Cyberpunk not too long ago I had to mute and look away during the scene with Alt because it made me so unbelievably uncomfortable. Like there's a bit of dysphoria, a bit of cringe, and a bit of "oh god please stop." It's also been a long road of video game sex scenes just being terribly done, models just can't come together like that and not clip. They're also not going to put in the effort that a porn game does for the animations because they're not trying to make porn.
When I was a teenager I liked to sometimes randomly put hentai audio on my ipod so I could have it randomly pop up and make my friends react. But also sometimes back then the dubs (Nothing explicit, but it's still clips from porn, also a girl jumps from a roof) were just something totally unhinged and hilarious all on their own.
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I've defs watched porn with friends in the case of background noise or laughing at some weird plot or costuming. Like, the style of bad acting and writing in that stuff can be genuinely entertainingly bad.
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Oh my god one time my friends and I watched this Peter Pan porno and it was one of the worst things I’ve ever seen. It was hilarious.
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Agree from me. Why does every single show have to have at least one graphic R scene? Videogame sex scenes are silly to me because it's like making action figures take off their clothes and mash them together
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"Sex is boring unless you're doing it."
-Ridley Scott
No hate to people with a consensual voyeur fetish and all but like...I would say the majority of sex scenes in mainstream films are entirely gratuitous. There are absolutely examples of sex scenes where I think they add to the characterization or story and removing them changes things (off the top of my head: American Psycho, and A History of Violence), but if you're putting sex in the movie because "OOOOH BOOBIES"....yeah...I grew up with internet porn. Its not all that exciting.
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If it doesn't do anything novel then there's literally no point to it.
If it's between a fucking vampire and a bear it gets a pass because it's kooky.
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vampire and a bear
All I want to know is who tops in that situation. My money is on the bear.
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It's Halsin, yes.
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I feel like people often ask for more nuance when what they want is more context. Whether not sex is appropriate for a given piece of media is almost entirely contextual.
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sex scenes in movies are boring when you can have the most insane porn imaginable beamed directly to your senses whenever you want. the youth aren't prudes, they're desensitized
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the more I think about this comment the more this mindset skeeves me out. An entire generation of kids who think sex = hardcore porn and that anything else is a waste of time. Any eroticism or romance is entirely discarded and deemed obsolete and inefficient. It's gross as hell and the mindset of a coomer not someone who has lived a life of love and loss and had complex sexual experiences both positive and negative. Sex is a huge component of love and life for many, if not most people, and an integral part of social reproduction and the existence of our species. To remove complex sexual relationships from all art and just relegate it to a separate category of "disgusting fetishistic hardcore porn" which we only ever engage with when we get off is very bad for society. It exacerbates the madonna-whore complex to its logical endpoints and extremes, every public facing hero is a chaste hero while all sex is corrupt, evil and to be hidden away. We delude ourselves that our heroes aren't fucking. It's victorian puritanism, and it's giving us little dopamine drips when we do evil depraved shit.
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An entire generation of kids who think sex = hardcore porn and that anything else is a waste of time. Any eroticism or romance is entirely discarded and deemed obsolete and inefficient. It's gross as hell and the mindset of a coomer not someone who has lived a life of love and loss and had complex sexual experiences both positive and negative.
Unfortunately this is the gross mindset that porn addiction creates. And many among Gen Z are addicts, even if they don't care to admit it. The generation having the least sex and all.
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Counterpoint: hollywood sex scenes are the cinematic equivalent of a hooters. It's crass titillation for the sort of person who cranks it to the sears catalogue and starts trembling in excitement when they read the word "nubile." It's also a "legitimate" excuse for directors to force actresses to undress around them, like the piece of shit showrunners behind GoT who started plotting revenge on Emilia Clarke after she was able to renegotiate her contract so she wouldn't have to undress around them anymore.
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this is an extremely reactionary and anti-art and anti-human stance, that the only thing sex is is hardcore porn
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I have never seen a tasteful or meaningful sex scene in a movie. It always comes off as soft-core randomly inserted into the movie.
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that is not what I meant to imply but I understand how it came across that way, it wasn't the most well-articulated comment. I want to clarify that I'm not saying it's a good thing that our culture is becoming more porno-brained & I'm not personally against sex scenes in media.
most porn isn't a good representation of sex but neither is most of what we see in movies/TV, where sex is so often used for little reason other than to scintillate the audience, i.e. its just porn-lite. hollywood depictions of conventionally attractive people having heterosexual intercourse was perhaps always boring, but it's especially boring to younger generations who grew up in a more overtly sexualized culture with easy access to pornography.
And I wasn't only talking about hardcore porn by the way, today there is such a wide variety of content appealing to people's diverse sexual interests, many of which have never been depicted in more conventional media.
I'm all in favor of more honest and realistic portrayals of sex in media that serve a thematic purpose, or are at least interesting.
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The going theories that I like are either that alienation and the internet have seriously messed people up, or that this is part of a recursive feedback loop with the conglomeration of media under bigger and bigger corporations. The corps want a bland product they can sell to as many people as possible. Alienated viewers, desperate for connection, watch the bland corporate product and assimilate some part of it into their self-identity.
Back when, independent productions could take more leeway on these things, risk making a movie or publishing a book that might make most people uncomfortable but would become part of the counter-culture. But now there is no independent media, and no counter-culture.
But I'm talking out of my ass, of course. I'm no culture critic or sociologist. This is just cobbled together from online discourse, could be dead wrong.
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personally i have never wanted sex on screen for the sake of having sex. like, i don't really wanna get sexually aroused when i'm watching a movie or playing a game. i'm not gonna object to sex in a game or movie, but like that'd be more in the sense that sex happens in stories and i guess i like characters with chemistry getting together.
it feels like the expectation with putting sex in movies and games is, like, tittilation even if it's not outright pornography. it's fanservice. you have to have been a boomer, gen x, or early millenial to have only had access to magazines in the woods to be using media as a porn substitute. everyone can just go look at porn. for anything drawn or animated, you can literally find porn of that exact character you are looking at on the screen, right now, by opening a new tab. a lot of media is being made by people who grew up where the sexiest thing you could lay eyes on without anyone finding out was the sears catalog, for people who may have literally seen a dude's gaping asshole before they even hit puberty.
a lot haven't even hit puberty. the youngest in gen Z are 11. a good chunk more are literally living with their parents, either due to the intensifying contradicts of capitalism or because they are literally a minor. what crimes are you willing to commit to prevent your parents from walking in on you on one of this scenes, which could come up without warning or escalate much further than you were expecting?
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This is exactly the point - sex scenes in films were never intended to sexually arouse, they are an artistic and dramatic display of human behaviour. The younger generation have so little experience with human intimacy as an emotional range that sex is solely associated with porn and media designed to arouse, so any reference to sex feels like an attempt to arouse and makes people self concious, which of course shouldn't do.
Its somewhat comparable to a lot of these puritannical middle aged American religious nutjobs who have really weird hang ups on their daughters etc because of their own repressed issues
In the same breath, as another commenter pointed out - of course people are going to poll to want less sex scenes if they live with their parents...
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to be using media as a porn substitute.
while i'm sure plenty of people paused their VHS copy of return of the jedi on some shots of carrie fisher, i don't think "porn substitute" was ever the point of sexualization in media
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i'm barely outside the age range of this study and i don't like sex in media because i'm a pathetic basement dwelling troglodyte incel and it makes me sad to remember that sex exists and that other people recieve love and/or attraction sometimes.
edit: this is not ironic, if anything its a bit self deprecating and exaggerated but not much.
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I live and watch movies with people that I don't want to discuss sex with
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I'd love to see the conventional practice of having at least a nude/sex/love scene in every big picture wither away. Most of the time, it's introduced as a formulaic ingredient in the reigning recipe that is Hollywood-ism which has negatively influenced other foreign film industries. Nothing worse than inorganically shoehorned sex scenes in what would otherwise still be perfectly enjoyable, well-rounded films.
I speak from experience of deciding what to watch with my family when I was young. We'd have to flick through the content warning section of IMDB so my parents would know when to skip forward or cover my eyes. It's annoying and doesn't add that much value, if any. Well-written chemistry can reveal physical intimacy without overtly showing it. I say that while keeping in mind that sometimes it can be appropriate, if thematically or stylistically applied.
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see the conventional practice of having at least a nude/sex/love scene in every big picture wither away
it has, where's the 'conventional' obligatory sex scenes in films from this year?
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I mean that's great if it's the case? I don't watch as many films recently anymore, but I saw Oppenheimer and that scene was highly cursed and unnecessary.
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ITT people who haven't seen a movie in over a decade repeating discourse from 15-20 years ago they read about in class or on tumblr.
the media critique was correct about the media it was critiquing and they more or less won. All that shit moved to HBO and netflix and even netflix shows that last more than a season turn down the horniness (or turn up the queerness) when they don't need it for marketing anymore.
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We had to have dad ever vigilant on the remote. No IMDb when i was a youngin. Saw plenty of accidental boobs in my day.
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i might like sex scenes more if most of them weren't so male-gaze-y, but since most are im really not interested in watching softcore porn for a few minutes, no. i didn't think that was a hot take actually so im surprised this struggle session is so long lol
you can definitely have sex scenes that are good and adding to the work, but i think that's unrelated to wanting less sex in media in general. im kind of weirded out by how many people are saying that wanting such is puritan nonsense
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i might like sex scenes more if most of them weren't so male-gaze-y,
I think thats a good way to put it. Even when it's a story written by a woman it feels odd ( Outlander for example).
I used to read Visual Novels pretty frequent-ish, and would ctrl skip through all the sex scenes because they were all so fucking weird and gross. Idk, it doesn't bother me too much, but it definitely feels uncomfortable in the moment.
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that's a very good example, i have a similar experience with them. i play otome games a lot (dating sims targeted at women), and the sex scenes seem to focus on the woman/player character and have her moan a lot and stuff. it doesn't make sense to me when they do the opposite with every other type of cg!
and i've definitely played some that aren't like that, and i do enjoy those, so it's not like it's impossible.
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definitely agree with the other poster who mentioned how people who still live with their parents want less sex scenes in movies, lmao.
but more to developing a critical theory of mass culture... I am curious if there is some effect of using sex appeal to literally sell everything for the last several decades dovetailing with the constant hijacking done by the attention economy. our brains are constantly trying to filter out unhelpful sensations while billions of dollars are spent trying to insert those sensations to the front of the cognitive experience, and sex appeal is the #1 vehicle for it.
when it comes to media, the sudden appearance of some tittilating visuals tends to fill me with annoyance anymore. like I'm conditioned to associate it with some thought terminating pitch or attempt to undermine my self worth.
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but more to developing a critical theory of mass culture... I am curious if there is some effect of using sex appeal to literally sell everything for the last several decades dovetailing with the constant hijacking done by the attention economy. our brains are constantly trying to filter out unhelpful sensations while billions of dollars are spent trying to insert those sensations to the front of the cognitive experience, and sex appeal is the #1 vehicle for it.
I've grown up with very much readily available porn but also all the "sex sells" ads that had like a conventionally attractive woman in a bikini and I gotta say, unless you let go of sex sells, getting real weird with it seems to be the only way for it to keep being tittilating
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that's only if the audience is not taking steps to avoid advertising. certainly the baseline for titillation likely increases for people who are saturating themselves with mass media exposure, but personally and anecdotally, it seems like a lot of people at least take some steps to limit exposure to advertising. as a result, when it finally reaches them, it can be jarring.
at various points in my life, i have taken work that sent me far away from screens. like a summer in a desert with no phones, tablets, or computers. i was busy and surrounded by other people going through a similar experience, so days were full and it wasn't too noticeable until i came back to "the world" and started getting both barrels in the face 24-7. even 2 weeks in cuba had a similar sensation, due to the reduced public advertising and i had my phone shut off and put away for 2 weeks. and these were not puritanical places. people be fuckin'. honestly, in some ways, they felt more sexually charged. it just wasn't coming from ads or screens. it was coming from people.
anyway, i'm not literate enough on media literacy and i don't want to come off as some anprim type, but it really wouldn't surprise me if there was a connection between what sex we are being inundated with and the disdain/disinterest in that inundation.
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I watch Korean dramas because I don't want to watch a sex scene every 20 minutes.
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yeah I watch cdrama, I feel like compared to Western media the stories are more interesting, the messaging is more wholesome, and I really like the more subtle romance with plenty left to the imagination
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ITT exactly what you'd expect.
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I like a couple of 🦐 games and honestly love how stupidly horny some stuff like Witcher is. Obviously, everything has its place, though. Ultimately the fucking makes canon sense to me in stuff like Baldur's Gate, but only because adventurers tend to live life in the fast lane.
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What's a shrimp game?
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Pr0n
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We have two options. Too much poorly done sexual material in a work, or none. I would prefer none to having every female character having to be attractive and breedable at all times. Like remember the Pixar face controversy where all of the fem characters have to be conventionally attractive? That is the kinda thing we meen when we talk about volcel. If in the next Thor movie captain America and Bucky fuck without a condom and the other avengers have to explain about the modern world to them everyone here would appreciate that scene.
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The capitalist commodification of sex and its consequences
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Sex in videogames sucks anyway.
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I will accept sex scenes if all movies involving sex scenes also dedicated equal amounts of screentime to the characters taking shits and picking their noses.
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This wraps around all the way to the actual article's point: it's kind of fucked up for some here to assume that Gen Z viewers of entertainment (or fellow Hexbears that have already stated their opinions here) are all, quote, "babies" or maybe "against art itself" or some fashionably "just kidding, unless" ableist term if they prefer less sex gimmicks in their fiction.
I think it's actually more problematic to imply that anyone who disagrees with you is just barely restraining themselves from saying the r-slur, but maybe that's just me
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The Volcel agenda is going strong, you love to see it :volcel-judge-smiling:
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Thumbnail makes it look like he's looking at a tit
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When I discovered this place, this was one of the most amusing features. Is volcel a serious thing? Really??
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The site’s volcel culture is meant to prevent people from sexualizing others or behaving in a horny way while participating on Hexbear, because this isn’t an 18+ website.
Volcel memes are often hyperbolic.
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This is even better than I imagined. I can see it being overused but still, we need
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Finally someone with a decent take smdh