2,000 National Guard troops will be sent to L.A. amid clashes over immigration raids - Los Angeles Times
2,000 National Guard troops will be sent to L.A. amid clashes over immigration raids
This is what 2A is for. This is what Madison feared.
That is exactly how we embolden fascism. Madison advocated for a well-regulated militia, not 1-2% of the population throwing cinder blocks and M80s. We needed numbers before allowing them to bait us into escalation.
Hegseth has the Marines standing by, and the Insurrection Act will be next. This is Trump’s Reichstag Fire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire
Edit: Please share this.
They don't need any actual justifications to "embolden" them, in the absence of actual resistance they'll just lie to justify doing exactly what they were always planning in doing, this is not s good reason to passively accept anything they're doing
They've been lying about violence and crime to get us here. Even if every protestor backed up every time ICE stepped forward, they would find an excuse to escalate.
“Don’t resist, you’ll embolden them!” Jesus Christ, you guys are so boned.
Just saw an ICE truck carrying a bunch of jackboots through Echo Park. Don't know where they're ultimately heading to though.
hopefully they're headed to the Santa Monica pier, where they accidentally drive off the end and into the ocean
How do you know it's an ICE truck? What does it look like? I've seen white ones in videos, but surely they don't all look the same.
It was a big black unmarked truck full of black armor wearing soldier types hanging off the sides. I'm no expert on cop sightings but I'm pretty sure even they have their emblem on the sides of their heavy duty vehicles. Besides, isn't it their MO nowadays to go everywhere wearing balaclavas without visible insignias or name tags?
You could tell because it had fanciful decorations of ice cream cones and candy on the sides and it had a big horn loudspeaker playing "Turkey in the Straw". You see them all the time just driving slowly up and down the neighborhood streets.
How do you know it's an ICE truck
It was driven by Brian Moser AKA Rudy Cooper
Nothing a couple of well placed cocktails couldn't handle.
"Quick! The Gestapo is running into resistance, send in the SS!"
Threaten the 4th largest economy in the world with leverage you don't really have. Encourage escalation tactics for illegal detainment of peoples under the jurisdiction and protection of the Constitution. Ignore the Constitution and normalize the absurd use of the term deportation. Cry about it on social media and then throw a fit and send troops to peaceful protests ( as per LAPD ).
Frail ideology.
Fucking newspapers these days, this shit is important.
OK, so the same shit about "trump is going to". last I heard newsom was in charge of CA NG. Trump isn't allowed to bring them up without a declaration of emergency or whatever.
Just bullshit that they will walk back in the morning.
e: LA times and AP seem to think this is actually happening. This is the boiling point; are you going to sit in the pot or jump out?
My only complaint (and I get to blame Regan) is that we can’t open carry here in Cali. That would help stop a lot of federal response if we had that capacity again.
I’m not for destroying government property since that’s property that belongs to the people, but I also respect that change doesn’t happen with complacency. Plus if it was a peaceful protest for Jan 6ers then why is this not considered one?
Every day I wish we didn’t have the current admin in charge since they lack capacity and bandwidth to take care of the real economic issues facing our generation and time.
Completely agree though that the national guard is in control of the governor. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if Newsom agrees to bring them in if the feds kick in FEMA funding like they’re supposed to.
Open carry would have stopped NOTHING.
Flashing a gun at those GI Joe wannabes would have triggered their tiny brains to go into shoot to kill mode, and it would have been a massacre.
These dimwits are trained for full blown military responses. That's easy for them, they have the gear, the training, and the psychopaths to shoot on sight.
What they can't handle is massive civil disobedience, because they can't arrest 100k, 500k, 1 million people who are out there lawfully protesting.
But it's nutjobs like you, or that moron who sped their car at the agents, who will fuck it up for everyone.
Don't bring your gun. Keep it at home, and if shit gets to the point where they start killing people, then defend yourself.
I only saw a few clips of the protest. Did the protestors cause destruction of property? It looked like they took a bunch of stuff from home Depot to make a barricade.
National guard can be taken and commanded by the president. But when that doesn't happen, it's chief commander is the governor.
The State Guard is solely under the command of the governor. It cannot have its control taken by the federal government. However, the state guard is often trained by the national guard and share membership.
Ya’ll shouldn’t need to open carry because you idiots in the US could have just voted for not insane leaders for decades. Always a bad solution to a problem ya’ll could have easily avoided.
Trump pulled off a lot of things he has no right to. Like deporting innocent people without due process to a death camp.
Im not sure but I believe after 911, national guard units were deployed to Iraq (which had nothing to do with 911) by order of the president. I believe that if the president declares an emergency then they can use the national guards however they want.
It would make sense if Congress were required in this decision making process but that would be out of character for a fascist criminal ring
Holy fuck. Some finally have the balls to stand up and fight and a bunch of you are all...this is wrong. Escalation and violence is not ok...or...but they have so many big guns.
Your country is run by a fucking dictator. Your own people are being forcefully removed from their homes and families and put in concentration camps.
Unbelievable.
I have leveled some pretty strong words at Americans in the past- but it wasn’t until this year that they really revealed themselves as a nation of utter cowards.
“Insurrectionists carrying foreign flags are attacking immigration enforcement officers, while one half of America’s political leadership has decided that border enforcement is evil,” Vice President JD Vance said in a post on X Saturday night.
Big yikes. "Insurrectionists"? Bloody hell.
Every accusation is an admission.
Someone get my NWA CD and boombox, we hitten the streets.
+1...The original boombox used tape cassettes and most with two for playing and recording. Don't forget your roller skates too.
When I was seven, I learned a lesson from Cube and Eazy-E What was it again? Oh yeah, fuck the police
I was actually a teenager but the sentiment...
Could i interest you in a very loud WOOP WOOP. That's the sound of the police. Or possibly a WOOP WOOP. That's the sound of the beast.
Throw some RATM in there too!
I would like to see California boldly and forcefully repel this invasion, but I don't know how it would work.
The California National Guard is part of the National Guard of the United States, a dual federal-state military reserve force.
When National Guard troops are called to federal service, the president serves as Commander-In-Chief. The federal mission assigned to the National Guard is: "To provide properly trained and equipped units for prompt mobilization for war, national emergency or as otherwise needed."
The governor of California may call individuals or units of the California National Guard into state service during emergencies or special situations. The state mission of the National Guard is: "To provide trained and disciplined forces for domestic emergencies or as otherwise provided by state law."
Role: Organized militia
\ Size: 24,000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_National_Guard
EDIT:
When I look at this as Trump and his gang deliberately inciting conflict with state/local governments in order to have an excuse to seize control from them before the next election, the situation becomes even trickier.
If the governor activates them first, it limits the reasons the president can activate them and override the governor.
Of course Trump would try to do it anyway, meaning the NG commander would have to decide who to follow (and let's be real, it would probably be the president).
Activate the to defend the border. West coast Pacific Ocean border.
Drones being annoying low diving like flys?
Buy guns, learn how to use them
On it. Now I just need friends. If you see a guy in green, that might be me.
I figure we need a suitable color to separate ourselves from the politics of yore.
Drones, everyone should be looking at fiber optic drones. If for no other reason than you can put one in the sky with a thermal camera above your home.
Hell it doesn't even need to have a fiber optic cable, having that information is very valuable.
Anyone remember what this was from?
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
That works until people the conservatives don't like start arming up. Like Black Panthers.
Yeah, But it was never intended to stop things from happening from the inside. Whoever ends up on the opposite side of the military in the end is going to lose.
It depends on how many people end up on the opposite side. Tens, hundreds, for sure. Thousands, likely. Tens of thousands, not so certain. Hundreds of thousands, I don't know. If the army starts shooting to kill any significant numbers of Americans, things are going to get very interesting.
elon could do the funniest thing here and declare open rebellion against tyranny
The funniest thing he could do is drive a cybertruck off a cliff.
*Let the FSD cybertruck drive him off a cliff while demonstrating how good it is at not doing that.
I was gonna go with "accidentally share evidence that DJT manipulated the 2024 election results with his help".
Honestly, the situation is so dire, that I'd ONLY have him locked up for life if he did that, and force him to eat garbage food that tastes awful.
Are the Europeans proud of our protests yet?
Not yet. Protest harder.
(Secretly proud of you.)
Well, Americans always defend their guns because they could use them to rise up against their government. So honestly, although normally considered impressive, you Americans raised our expectations even higher.
We have guns, but the government has even more.
There's not so much gained from escalation. Cameras are still the best weapon, considering how many allegedly sentient organisms still have support for Trump's actions. Media has claimed that "they're only arresting violent illegals", and "they're only using soldiers to stop violent riots". Regretfully, millions of people still believe that. The more evidence we can generate that both are untrue, the more that we can turn the tide.
Sadly, the people that oppose totalitarianism are mostly the ones that opposed owning guns and lived according to their beliefs.
It is coming.
Not even Hong Kong protests level yet.
“…The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear. Remember that. And know this, the day will come when all these skirmishes and battles, these moments of defiance will have flooded the banks of the Empire's authority and then there will be one too many. One single thing will break the siege. Remember this. Try.*
-Karis Nemik, Andor
So beautifully written. Andor is the best tv of the decade.
And so it begins.
the point of protesting is the escalation. this is success.
The authorities wouldn't send the National Guard if they thought they could just ignore you. So i'd say this is a success.
It's really not
Trump doesn't need to understand this for it to be true, but the gov right now depends a lot on opporating in the dark to get away with massively illegal and unethical actions that would harm public opinions and reactions. By forcing them to opporate in public with the press focused on the protests makes them face accountability.
What’s to stop Cali national guard from ignoring Orange man? Or maybe I have been watching/reading too much fiction.
Drawing the ire of the federal government. If their commander refuses, he'll be removed and replaced with someone who will comply.
That commander is appointed by the CA governor, and I don't see Newsom fighting the feds on this (or much of anything, really, so far it's only been joint lawsuits against economic issues). Conceivably, Trump could argue that when federalized, he could remove the commander himself and appoint an interim commander, or just leave it unfilled and have DoD control them directly.
The national guard is under federal control. California will have its own state guard.
Their feelings. Soldiers are humans, not machines. They will go with their hearts and minds to decide whom they fight for.
Hopefully, they will decide to side with the good guys, not Agent 'Krasnov' Orange.
You are a naive liberal
They swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. They have a duty to ignore, report, or even actively resist an unconstitutional command.
So glad I never joined the National Guard cause I would definitly refuse to go, and if forced, join the side of of the ones fighting ICE.
If this turns into an American Tiananmen Square, you're going to end up knocking a star off that flag.
Most of the people on this site that cheer this on also happen to be the ones who think that the Tiananmen Square massacre didn't happen, and if it did then it was a good thing.
Could this be the start of the Second American Civil War?
Calm down Tim Poole
try buying gun and then likely second amendment
You don't have the right, O you don't have the right! (Actually you do)
TACO
Yep, really chickened out of deploying Gestapo.
Martial law incoming.
Bring ‘em.
Other states, you know what to do.
The "L.A. 92" part of this song needs an "L.A. 25" update.
AMERICA! IS FUCKED! NEVER COMING AGAIN TO SAVE THE FUCKING DAY YEAH!
New rage against the machine album coming...
Time to fuck up some fascist. Someone is going to get domed soon when the current escalation.
raise hell!
clashes
What kind of clash? A violent one or?
I think they meant The Clash.
I hope this don't turn to a civil war
I mean the Nazis aren't going to go ohh my bad we should have another try at the election.
The options at this point are 1: a civil war or 2: surrendering to the fascist regime.
Well, we won't call it that. Vietnam was techincally "a police action", but we all know it was a war. This police action will get folks killed in an effort to take prisoners, which sure sound like a...
Also Nixon's distraction from his own problems
July 4th...
I just don’t see how a civil war could start. It’s not like back in the day where you could just amass an army without the state really knowing
The amount of intel the state has means that nothing will get off the ground
I guess if like a state and it’s national guard would revolt and other states join them? Seems very unlikely though
Since there is a lot of fictions between dems and republicans and there is many gun owners in the usa some people could decide to use arms to counter ice and republicans could side with ice and do the same
I hope they're scared
Trump: "Bist du faschistisch?"
Realistically, the rioters are going to eventually be condemned by the peaceful protestors, and the general population will soon follow, thus giving support for law enforcement to squash them and end the fiasco. This has been the case for a loooooong time.
Normally I might agree but this is LA. They've been through this shit before.
True, but they also ended the same way. There's people at out here thinking this is the start of some revolution, and that's just delusional. This is just run of the mill urban unrest. We've had it before and we're for sure going to have it again in the future.
the rioters … peaceful protestors
Then the peaceful protestors don’t really care about advancing the cause they’re protesting for.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-the-failure-of-nonviolence
I don't get it
Why do you want to prevent ICE from deporting illegal immigrants?
Why do you want illegal immigrants to stay here so bad?
Alright, I’ll bite.
Because I would much rather ICE spend its resources preventing IMs from entering the country, rather than rounding up IMs who have been living here peacefully for 20+ years.
Because—and I’m willing to debate the utility of this—a significant portion of our agricultural economy depends on IMs who will work below the standard of living legally required for our citizens.
Because the vast majority of IMs are just people seeking asylum from cartels and/or horrible dictatorial governments and are not a threat to the American way of life.
Because IMs by and large do not “steal” jobs from American workers but rather do jobs most Americans would never consider doing. See said issue with our agricultural sector.
Now, let’s hear your reasons for wanting to spend the immense amount of money necessary to find and deport these people. Because I’m sure your arguments are incredibly well thought out.
I would argue that instead of ICE, we should have a vastly expanded IRS to enforce regulations upon businesses. For example, every business is assigned state and federal accountants, who check that the books are legit. These accountants are regularly rotated by the nation, so that companies can't establish "working" relationships with any given accountant, which reduces corruption.
This would increase the amount of money that government receives from the 1%, along with helping prevent wage theft or other criminal activities. Businesses, not migrants, are innately prone to corruption.
The large amount of foreign nationals being exploited due to their illegal status and working in unsafe underpaid jobs is something I'm against from a pro labor position.
The employees who hire and exploit them need to be punished. Who will do this job for the tiny wages? I guess nobody, the wages must go up. More expensive avocados is what we need to settle for, instead of exploiting desperate foreign nationals. There are no easy painless solutions here.
Maybe I am naive in thinking ICE is going after the criminal element that exists in the illegal immigrant community.
Because the current purge is rooted in racism, not legality. They're deporting American citizens and people who are here legally as well without due process, blatantly violating the constitution which he swore to defend and uphold.
Trump wants to deport anyone he doesn't like, which includes anyone that doesn't like him. Make no mistake, he would deport half the country if he felt he could get away with it. He has no regard for the rule of law and has proven that time and again. What he is doing is tyranny and the real patriots are out there standing up against it.
The state defines what an "illegal immigrant" is. Why should I agree with their definition of an illegal immigrant is?
The Nazis were just rounding up illegal Jews. Why was it so bad that they rounded up illegal Jews?
The plantation owners just wanted to own Black people. Black people had no rights, so what's the problem with owning them?
Do not conflate legality with morality.
Because they're revoking legal status from legal immigrants and arresting legal immigrants and its only a matter of time til they deport citizens too
Every study I've seen shows illegal immigrants to be a net positive to the economy, while at the same being responsible for fewer crimes than papered immigrants or regular citizens. I wonder why people are willing to go through such social pain and stupidity to attack them. I mean, aside from racism. We should be working on smoothing the way to citizenship, or at a minimum, legality. That would help address the exploitation that takes place (as you mentioned in another post). On a tangent, we really need to do something about universal health care, housing, and the shitty, hateful state of wages in the country while we are at it.
We have a myriad of fundamental problems in this country, illegal immigrants are just a distraction that get the low-information voters fired up and ignoring the real problems.
I think that universal healthcare would be the key to ending undocumented immigration, and more importantly, wage evasion by employers. It is simple: documented immigrants get free healthcare, the same as any citizen. This would allow the state(s) to track the workplace activity of immigrants, and in turn be able to collect taxes, enforce fair wages, and hold businesses accountable.
This also has the effect of allowing citizens to have equal job opportunities when compared to migrants, because both are paid the same. Companies will naturally turn to hiring citizens, simply because they are closer to home. Everyone who isn't a ghoul wins.
because they arnt targeting "illegal immigrants" its random people, and also immigrants that are here legally, plus they are specifically only targeting non-republican areas because they know blue areas are less likely to fight back and are unarmed. oh and they wont target places like meat packing plants, FARMS, republican, gop will raise hell if they were raided in congress.
Tin soldiers and Nixon coming, four dead in Ohio.
This summer I hear the drumming.