Is Russia co-opting US far-right groups to attack western democracies?
Is Russia co-opting US far-right groups to attack western democracies?
A former Pentagon contractor works with secretive sections of US special forces, then ups and moves to Russia. He gets married, radicalizes and starts popping up on Telegram channels as the leader of a neo-Nazi terrorist group recruiting Americans.
What amazes me is that Americans still talk about the Cold War like you haven't lost it. And without a bullet fired.
Why are questions like this always asked by the media ten years after everyone already knows it's happening?
Because they're in on it.
Wait that's a question? Of course they are doing that.
Russia is also behind man of the far-right parties in europe, like the AfD in germany and the GRN in france. It's old news at this point honestly.
We really need to take an offensive against Russia. Information warfare is still warfare, and Russia has been attacking us for years.
Russia is also behind Trump and his cronies, and noone can convince me otherwise. They may not have a fearsome military (except for the canned sunshine), but they're very adept at undermining democracies from within. Because our Achilles heel is stupid people.
They're almost certainly stirring the pot, but the pot was there regardless.
It's actually not Russia, it's all been perpetrated by the oligarch called Shitsherlock, first name No.
Is he related to Michael McDoesntexist?
Yeah, it's been happening for a while now and we've known it.
Mom wouldn't let me have ice cream before bed because she's funded by putler
russia is paying people to downvote me
Been obvious to everyone not cashing checks for a while.
Or the crazy, Faux News brain rotted people. Or the angry rednecks who don't care, they're just happy they can be openly hateful.
Give them a face to rest their boots on, and they'll cheerfully lick the boots of their rulers.
Foundations of Geopolitics was published in 1997 by Aleksandr Dugin. It outlines how Russia can become the world's dominant superpower without warfare. It is taught in Russia's military officers school, Putin keeps a copy in his office, and it is Russia's geopolitical playbook. Dugin is still closely involved with Putin and Russian intelligence, and so was his daughter, who was murdered in a car bombing that was likely meant for him.
Under the section for the United States, it says:
Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States and Canada to fuel instability and separatism against neoliberal globalist Western hegemony, such as, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists" to create severe backlash against the rotten political state of affairs in the current present-day system of the United States and Canada. Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".
I've always been curious about the sentence ”Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States and Canada." What exactly do they mean by "special services?" Clearly they had something already staged in America, most likely human assets. A few years ago they discovered a cell of Russian intelligence moles, and shipped them back. Now we see that they infiltrated white supremacist groups as well, which would fit the description in the book.
And of course our president has ties to Russia going back to Soviet era 1987, and even has a code name. His treason is well-established. He is likely one of the "special services" referred to.
Here's a photo of dugin realizing he forgot to add a chapter in his book about geopolitics. I'll never tire of it.
He was supposed to be in that car with his daughter, but he went back in to retrieve an umbrella, when it blew up.
I hadn't seen that photo before, thanks.
Our intelligence agencies gave been telling ua this since 2016
I just want to say that saying only right-wing groups are promoted by Kremlin is American-centric (understandable since most audience on the Internet are Americans, but this leads to insularity in discussions). The far-left is also funded and promoted by Kremlin, especially in Europe where many far-left parties are Russia-apologists, and either have lukewarm support or blame Ukraine for being invaded. There is little information if the American far-left are co-opted by Kremlin. The leftist group, in the broadest sense of the word, is nonexistent in the US because of decades of fear mongering that made the group too insignificant to gain media attention. But if we count Jill Stein and the Green Party as left, then we can say some sections of the left have been compromised by Kremlin, because Stein had been hesitant to call Putin a dictator in an interview.
Well, yes…and it’s been quite obvious for some time now.
I can’t have been the only person who noticed the weird sudden pattern of American Neo-Nazis with hot Russian wives a decade ago.
That's an easy one: Yes.
Russian PSYOP against the US has always been going on.. However since Obama won .. The GOP is allowing it to flourish..
Citizens United happened. Then 2 cycles of DC politics was enough to get a money pipeline established.
Putin does everything to destabilize the west this way. It is cheaper for him to find idiots to do his dirty work in the west than to attack us.
Yep, and they promote and amplify the most extreme viewpoints on opposite sides of issues to get us fighting against each other. They didn’t create the fracture points but they’re very happy to exploit them.
Yes.
This has been done in Austria for example, where they utilized crime groups to infiltrate the secret service and stage a coup so now it's controlled by Russian agents. So it's not really a question, it's should be more about the how not the if.
Yes. They have been for years now. Our far-right are a bunch of fucking idiot assholes, and easily manipulated.
Anyway now that I've explained how my domestic political opposition are easily manipulated, let me explain to you how everything bad that's ever happened is the fault of the outside enemy.
Leave "Our" out of sentence to make it more accurate.
More globally accurate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement
It's fully documented.
"Startling allegations that the Base’s leader is a Russian spy lead to suggestions that the Kremlin is playing the ‘long game"
Kremlin already won the long game by inserting his doggy as the president of the united states
They've got the advantage so far. It ain't over til it's over.
I mean I don't know enough of Putin's history to say how he came to power but Russia is definitely not America's colony now that much I can say. It is a country waging a destabilisation war on western countries by playing a very dangerous game, that is enabling right wing extremists.
Fuck the USSR and your interpretation of events.
They are to blame for this. Not "the west".
I don't think calling these people spies is the right term anymore, considering who is in the White House right now, and I don't mean Trump.
The Heritage Foundation began influencing U.S. policy starting in the early 80s, which is also around the time political divisions in America started becoming more polarized as standard of living for the middle class began to worsen.
The polarization that began in the 80s has gotten more and more extreme, to the point that now far-right groups are an important part of the current President's voter base. When you look at the destruction and dismantling of the government currently underway by the administration, you have to understand, this is really not an attack on the left/DEI. Their strategy first began decades ago, long before anybody heard of DEI. First it was "multiculturalism," then it was "political correctness," then "wokeness," and now the scapegoat is "DEI."
It's an attack on democracy and individual freedom by people in power with a lot of money, but not a lot of numbers, unless they get a group of people that are divided to fight for them, and keep them divided from "others." Importantly, it's actually very similar to the strategy used by oligarchs in Russia. Russian Nationalists are Putin's biggest supporters, but instead of "DEI," the enemy to Russian Nationalists has long been the influence of Western democracy.
Funny thing is, some of the earliest examples of Russia embracing capitalism after the collapse of the Soviet Union and creating the current government, can be traced to the Heritage Foundation. The first of its kind go between for U.S. and Russia businesses was created by a former Heritage Foundation member, Robert Krieble.
Fellow Heritage Foundation member, Thomas Roe, is quoted as telling Krieble during the mid-1980s, "You capture the Soviet Union, I'm going to capture the States."
According to a 1991 Washington Post article covering a celebration of the official establishment of this business, Russia House, Krieble snuck electronic equipment to dissidents prior to the collapse of the Soviet Union.
The corporation is also privately funded. Officers of its board are Moscow Mayor Gavril Popov; Paul Craig Roberts of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a former treasury assistant secretary; and Dean Booth, an Atlanta lawyer. Businessman Robert Krieble, who donated fax machines, computers and copiers to dissidents in the Soviet Union when "they were illegal," Lozansky said, is one of the financial supporters.
The original founder of the Heritage Foundation was also present at the gathering covered by the Post article.
At the inauguration of Russia House, furnished only with a lectern and radio and television microphones for the ceremony, Paul Weyrich, head of a group called Free Congress, said, "When we first went to the Soviet Union we were considered foolish. But democracy is real. The change is real."
Meanwhile, in the U.S., Roe then went on to create the State Policy Network (SPN), a network of Heritage Foundation affiliate think tanks across all 50 states, to promote Heritage Foundation policy at the state level, but disguise the think tanks as "small government" and "free market" focused.
Now, Putin actually has his own similar think tank for freedom and democracy in Germany While Russian oligarchs have become majority shareholders in Louisiana oil companies, and made donations to House Speaker Mike Johnson's campaign.
It would seem more likely, that rather than Russia playing the long game, Russia joined the Heritage Foundation's long game decades ago, and that modern day Russia under Putin, may actually reflect the Heritage Foundation's test run for the creation of a privatized corporate government.
Speaking through a translator, the Post article also provides an interesting quote from the Mayor of Moscow:
"Russia House is not financed by governments but by private people," Mayor Popov said. "Aid in the form of commercial goods and food should not be the main effort. Aid would be over soon, and all would be as before. We need a free-market economy -- but we don't have people who can run a free market," he said, speaking through a translator. "I told {Treasury} Secretary {Nicholas} Brady that many Americans will sign treaties with ministers -- who then will disappear. Trade should be with private individuals and businesses."
For the umpteenth time, it turns out fascism is the frontier coming home.
Captain Obvious and his arch rival, Captain Oblivious
We sure this isn't Captain Hindsight in disguise?
One of the defining characteristics of this era is the legacy media from time to time timidly noting the possibility of something that's been recognized as at least nearly certain down here in the trenches for months or even years.
Of course Russia is co-opting far right groups to attack western democracies. Any honest person who's been paying attention should've figured that out by now - it's not like they've been subtle about it or anything. And it's been commonly recognized for months now (and less commonly asserted for years).
But at this late date, along comes the Guardian, hesitantly saying, "Um... well... you know... it might just barely be sort of possible that maybe...
It literally led to dozens of convictions in the Meuller Investigation. How anybody can be blindsided by it is beyond me.
Ah! I forgot this macro was actually Nicholas Cage!
They're also coopting far left groups to further their goals as well. Lets not kid ourselves.
Where do you think all the 'don't vote because X' reasons suddenly came up a few months before the election in leftist circles?
I mean some people legitimately were not comfortable with supporting any candidate that wouldn’t address the ongoing genocide in Palestine. I voted for Harris, a lot ofpeople did because they understood what was at stake and that obviously Trump would be worse. But there were a lot of people who just couldn’t do it. Yeah I get at a lot of them, but I also would be lying if I said I didn’t understand why they did it.
All this is to say I would not attribute most of those people to “Russia.” We have to talk to them too about how we want to move forward instead of writing them off as brainwashed/incapable of coming to the conclusion on their own.
Yeah I don't think anyone would disagree with any of that. The problem was the hyperpartisan one-sided coverage. It in itself was often foreign opposition propaganda. It was so heavy and thick. Taking all the air out of every room. Just focusing on how bad Biden and Harris were. Putting the whole burden of the problem on their shoulders. So much so. That many people thought that Trump would be better because of the lack of coverage. Biden and Harris were not my candidates either. As an Anarchist I held my nose and voted for simply because of self harm prevention. But I also knew enough not to participate in amplifying the propaganda as well as pushing back against it.
Never let it be said that the left isn't manipulable or even as easily manipulable. We are our own worst enemy. Plenty still can't acknowledge their role in helping to amplify that message for the fascists gain. We do it to ourselves every time. We're naturally at a disadvantage on messaging. Simply because all mass media these days is outright fascist owned. But on top of that the left simply cannot message or Focus. Though that at least is not anything new.
I also voted Kamala and tbh it made me extremely uncomfortable. I knew Kamala wouldn't be a good president, I knew she would send more money to genocide, I knew she would do very little (if anything) to stop states from discriminating, and I knew her economic plan would likley make everything worse. Because in every single aspect she was and is a horrible candidate who objectively would not do well at anything, however the standard for American politicans is in hell so shes not even the worst. Im just sad, we had Obama who wasnt really progressive but he chose Biden as his VP to appeal to the establishment, then Biden became president and chose Kamala who is was significantly less progressive then him, then we became expected to vote Kamala which would have been a continuation of the last two dem presidents but even less progressive. But im not just looking at the past, im looking at the future and im scared. What happens if the Dems choose some candidate like Shapiro, Fetterman, or Newsom? What if the Democrats rig their primaries as theyve been known to do or what if they dont hold one at all?
Have you considered "not voting for whoever is served to you is treason" messaging could also be a psyop to depress voter turn out by making people disgusted with politics in general?
Yes they are and have been for years
Is water wet?
Technically no, but we get your point.
No
Once again, AI just can't get the hands right...
...those are way too big.
Also not wrinkled enough
As in Europe.
I don't fit in any group but it doesn't matter who the Kremlin supports in anyway, I'm against jt
And while their was some backlash from a few people, the majority of their fans shrugged and kept on watching them, judging by their subscriber and view counts.
Absolutely pathetic from the 'facts don't care about your feelings' crowd that purports to bravely face uncomfortable truths.
We learned a decade ago that every adversarial government in the world targets the right specifically because they're gullible and credulous. We know that because they told us they do.
I came here to:
Is water wet?
I was living in Northeast Pennsylvania. A cocky dude in a badly fitting suite. Tried to talk me into joining his business with Russians. He was pretty open about doing illegal business together. I turned him down. But they have been doing this for decades.
they have been funding it since last decade. its not a coincidence every 4 years, right wing govt starts to get a sudden boost in funding. this goes the same for white supremecy groups.
What, did The Base founder fleeing to Moscow or the Russian honeypots oddly popping up in right wing protests give it away?
Yes. Next question.
Is russia co-opting far left groups as well?
Yes
They have a long history of supporting both ends of the spectrum and really anyone they deem will destabilize the hegemony. Noam Chomsky used to be such a regular guest on RT he could have been considered staff back during the Iraq war. The difference is that they have had wild success with the far right to the point that no one is even really hiding it anymore. Trump and brexit being the biggest successes on the books.
The difference is that they have had wild success with the far right
Also, they don't want the left to win.
Is the Pope American?
I don't even need to read it to know the answer is an astounding yes
Who needs Russia for that? Is it because of the 4chan outage?
Is this the obvious counter example we've been waiting for to finally disprove Betteridge's law of headlines?
/shockedface
I mean yea Duh
Duh?
is murica co-opting with "democratic"* forces in russia?
*ultracapitalistic
Captain Obvious and his sidekick Keen Boy once again out there fighting their archenemy Oblivitar