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Trump to fire hundreds from FAA despite four deadly crashes on his watch

www.thedailybeast.com Trump to Fire Hundreds From FAA Despite Four Deadly Crashes on His Watch

Insiders say the cuts are “dangerous” and “unconscionable” after recent air disasters.

Summary

Trump is firing hundreds of Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) employees despite recent fatal air crashes, CNN reports.

The AFL-CIO says terminations were issued Friday, with affected staff possibly locked out of FAA facilities after Monday.

Aviation safety union PASS calls the cuts “dangerous,” especially after four deadly incidents in the past month.

Critics argue these moves risk public safety amid ongoing air traffic controller shortages.

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This is a great time for anyone thinking of flying to the U.S. to reconsider.
America is becoming a very dangerous country to visit and travel inside.
Best to find another destination to travel in that’s safe and can ensure you remain safe. American cannot.
- What's wild is how quickly a motivated fascist has been able to dismantle the government..
  
  That's usually how it goes. It comes tumbling down very quickly. Hitler dismantled democracy in 53 days. We're 4 weeks--28 days--into ~~Musk's~~ Trump's presidency.
  
  Breaking shit is easy (and fast and cheap). A dumb bull in a China shop can cause a lot of damage in seconds without even trying.
  Building or repairing things takes skill and a lot of time and money.
  
  Nope. Took Hitler 53 days. Let's circle back on that statement in a few weeks and see if the government is still here or not.
  
  It’s been in the making for 30 years, this is just the endgame. Fox News started in 1996.
  
  I was told that Kamala (or Biden) would have been just as bad, because bothsides.
  
  It's not new. This has been part of "The Game" forever. There are no real rules to life and the people playing the game have been trying forever to get what they want.
  There never was authentic protection or security. They just corralled the population into a lifestyle of consumerism while they did whatever they want. Each side entices the people, markets them, uses them as a product, and plays them out. It's all game.
  I like immortal techniques line; "I laugh at America's fears of a new world order controlling the hemisphere, because my people have been living that for the past 500 years."
  Same game different storyline. Some us didn't have life before trump so what's happening now is just the same old war on humanity. That's not downplaying the advancement.
  We shouldn't have settled for what was, and we shouldn't settled for what's becoming.
  A great documentary about manipulation of society is The Century of Self, and The Trap series by Adam Curtis. If you're interested you can see them on YT.
  Basically western life has been a series of false hope used to persuade people to being tools for what more wealthy people want. The street works the same way. Looks at gangs, mafia, cartels... Scale that same ideology up and you have governments. Military paid for by tax, mafia hits paid for by dues. Nationalism and pride used for numbers of power, loyalty used in gangs for numbers of power. ...so if the problem which group is doing it? Or is the problem all groups that are doing it? They are powered by the same essence. People with an existential crisis trying to make the world for their perception but it never will. Ever.
- Despite everything, the odds of being in an airplane accident are still extremely low. But they are always even lower if you don't fly.
  
  Despite everything, the odds of being in an airplane accident are still extremely low.
  That's largely because of the safety systems in place. Remove those and safety (along with aircraft) plummets.

It's worth noting that during President Obama's eight year administration, there were no fatal accidents involving major commercial airlines in the U.S. And under a month of Trump we've had how many? Lost count.
- As an aviator with a degree in aviation I can honestly say this. It's a miracle it's taken this long for something this bad to happen. No administration, from Regan onwards, has done anything about the ATC shortage (nothing effective anyway). I'm friends with controllers, I've been to several ATC facilities, what they do everyday is a fucking miracle. While it's easy to point at the DC crash and the other subsequent crashes and say "see, Trump did it" the truth is far more nuanced and systemic than that. Also, in my opinion, the DC crash is 100% on the helicopter pilots.
  Is what Trump doing now going to help the situation? Fuck no. We need more controllers. Better pay, better benefits, and more slots at the ATC academy.
  
  I don't think ignoring a systematic issue can be put on the same level as actively enabling it. sure, previous presidents haven't helped much, which is asking for a tragedy to happen, but trump has been pretty much forcing them to happen with these cuts.
  
  As if the shitty Boeings they are allowed make aren't enough to cause crashes.
  
  The DC crash is interesting. Have you seen this video? https://youtube.com/watch?v=1IUJpRwzHZU
  Seems like there were several factors. But we'll need the black box analysis to know more.
  The Helicopter pilot was certainly in the wrong place, but from their point of view, it's understandable why they were in the wrong place.
  The question is, did the controller give clear guidance?
  And would a second pair of eyes on the situation have helped?
  
  Wait, so it isn't trumps fault but we had 4 crashes since he's taken office? Bro it's his fault what the hell are you talking about? One of those is directly his fault.
  
  Of course, but the AmeriKan attitude is do more with less.
- Tbf, I think it was just the 1 in DC. There was a military one and a small aircraft as well, but only one involving commercial airlines to my knowledge. Still, the number is embarrassingly high.
  
  Also, the one in DC really sounds like a fuckup by the helicopter crew. The ATC warned the helicopter crew about the incoming plane twice and the helicopter crew indicated both times they saw the plane and were maintaining visual separation (watching the plane and keeping their distance).
  
  Was the military exercise being done in DC when the helicopter crashed being done as part of a normal schedule, or at the request of the Trump administration? From what I understand it was an excercise for having to potentially evac the white house
- He did change the rules for trains tho allowing much longer trains. That required electronic braking systems. He didn't make that mandatory and gave the companies 14 years to install them. He allowed the companies to force their employees to work longer hours. He was certainly responsible for the Palestine disaster. (the chemical accident not thre genocide)
  
  The Norfolk Southern crews nicknamed 32N as "32 Nasty." They knew a derailment was inevitable.
- There were none under Biden either if I remember correctly.
  
  True. Even under Bush there was only this one incident in 2001.
- You give trump too much credit.

Four deadly crashes so far
- And it's only been a month.
  
  And I've barely heard about the other three. It took us barely any time to treat plane crashes as we treat mass shootings.
  
  And that month is February
- I have heard of the Plane and Helicopter over Washington DC, killing some 70 or so people and another one with a small plane, killing 6 or so. Which other two have i been missing?
  
  The move comes less than three weeks after a U.S. Army helicopter collided with a passenger jet that was about to land in Washington, D.C., killing 67, and an air ambulance crashed in Philadelphia, killing seven. Ten people died when a regional flight in Alaska went missing and was found crashed, earlier this month. Days later one person died in Scottsdale, Arizona, when a plane veered off the runway and collided with a parked aircraft.
- How many are there usually?
  
  Commercial crashes? 0 is the normal number. But generally aviation crashes are much less rare, sadly. They happen.

Insane corruption, with Musks well documented hate for the FAA. He bought an election and I'd wager a large part of it was for this reason alone.

Damn, it's all falling apart. They are creating a problem that they can then solve by privatizing it. f_ckers.

Well good to know ahead of time to not fly for the next eight years.
- Damn. Didnt think Trump would be the president to curb airline emissions but he just might.
  
  The Gang Fixes the Climate Crisis
- It will take more than 8 years to repair the damage done so far.

Confirmed - American aviation is now unsafe. American trains are now unregulated and their safety compromised. I guess it is time to find pleasure in the little things in my home city again.
- Back to the all time American classic, the automobile. It's both what made America great and awful all in one useful machine.
  
  With Teslas autonomously crashing into everything?
- Can't even make the trains run on time.
  
  That's what the hyperloop is gonna solve, obviously

Four deadly crashes and it hasn't even been a fucking month yet.

How to artificially impose a curfew by making people too afraid to fly. Is this what happens when you get King Musk mad about getting his flights publicly tracked? Gonna bet so, the guy is bitter and corrupt enough the he would want to replace the entire aviation system with one that won't track him regardless of how many deaths it would mean.
- You think "the government is intentionally crashing planes" is more likely than "the slow but inevitable collapse of a system pushed past capacity since Reagan fired the workers pushing for better pay and reasonable hours?"
  
  Yes, nothing exceptional about Trump, all "slow but inevitable". It's all the government's fault, don't look at the rich oligarch that owns a personality cult creating social network behind the curtains...

Interesting to be cutting oversight during a time when Boeing was having so much trouble with its planes.
- I mean did you see what oversight did to share prices?
  
  Oversight didn't do that; fucking up the manufacturing did that.

And yet another plane incident today...

Basically, it would be safer to fly over Ukraine and fucking Russia. An over worked and stressed ATC is higher risk than a bunch of drunk Russian bastards manning a SAM battery.

They tested the drones (NJ, UK)... They promoted flight crashes to ease into projecting a new fear... Now they will replace ATC with AI and utilize their drones on a mass scale.
For surveillance?

🤡

LOL US planes are even crashing in Canada now. I think the invasion attack just started. Defend yourself!

Time to stop putting our faith in flying.
I already decided I'm never going on another dangerous amusement park ride because I don't trust the businesses to maintain them properly.
Gonna be living like native americans before long!
- Fry bread is the perfect “I am desperately inhumanly broke” food. You can get a lot of calories out of a bottle of oil/tub of lard and a bag of flour.
  Beadwork lets you make something gorgeous out of stuff you can get at the dollar tree.
- I'm down for a powwow! Or looks around... twenty.
- Do you have levels for your amusement park trust? Like would you go to Disney world but not a traveling carnival? Are they all out? Lol
  
  They are all out.
  It's not worth putting my life in their hands.

No room in his senile agenda for any variables

Next, Trump and Musk will be piloting the planes by themselves 🤪
- On a PS2 remote in a cool chair. By law.
  
  and they will crash it and then react like they've just lost a game to a 12 year old kid who called them a shithead.
- That would require humility and talent. Neither of which they possess.

and now a plane lands inverted - has me thinking about trains!

Blyat!

WCGW

Great idea

Number of workers does not guarantee the quality of their work
If there were more accidents, it actually is logical to fire some of the personell
- you understand ATC has been under staffed for years yes?
- Yes, no one will easily solve this

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