I remember hearing many democrats that joked how they voted for the white side of Obama. It wasn't funny and isn't funny now. They are not only voting against a woman but one of color.

We are going let christian fascism take control of America because a large portion of our population is sexiest, and racist. Not to mention all those protest votes or fucker who sat on their couch rather than do the right thing.

Now we are all fucked.

This reads like straight out of disco elysium. Great choice of words

I voted for Harris walz, but I think a lot of this is the fault of Biden for trying to run for reelection and sticking it out until July. I live in the south and I think the lack of a primary reallly hurt the ticket because a sizable portion of the people I’ve talked to felt like she was appointed instead of being elected, which is a bad move when public trust in our institutions is already at an all time low.

Plain and simple... She was a woman, and a black person

She was doing better than the old white guy she replaced though

Obama was a unique situation in that he was both an incredibly charismatic JFK-style figure and ran after the Republicans had managed to both start a very unpopular war and destroy the world economy.

I don't think it's just the fact that she's a black/Asian woman.

I saw this on BBC News which is probably correct:

[Trump has] completely "reimagined" the Republican party from its country club voter stereotype to appealing to working class families, while the Democrats had become the "party of Hollywood".

Setting aside whether she would've won had she been a white man, she could've made up for that handicap by appealing to the right people if she had actually been trying to win. Pinning it completely on her race and sex simply ignores her absolute failure of a campaign.

I get more the sense that people don't care about her so much - or him either for that matter - so much as how things in general just "feel wrong". I'm no expert but the news media having been bought out seems a likely culprit. Jon Stewart tried to warn us but we would not listen. He did his part, but if people don't value things, they tend to fall - or in this case be taken - apart.

While this is a large part of it, a significant thing I think is that you get a lot more enthusiasm voting for something than against something. If she was campaigning for things I didn't hear it above the constant "orange shit is an orange shit".

A number of terrorist bomb threats to predominantly democratic polling locations in swing states and other fuckery may have also played a role.

Should have stuck with the British Monarchy, powerless as it comes. A woman as head of state for 70 years and even better, no elections for any president during any of time.

Totally agree. After all the progress the US is still not ready to accept anyone else than white men at the top.

Bingo. The party of stupid, obstinant assholes was elected by the stupid, obstinant asshole electorate.

Slowly but surely I'm coming to terms with our modern reality

Dems had the house for 12 years the past 16. Nothing really changed.

People have claimed Harris wasn't capable of leading. They got their undeserved confirmation when she turned out to be a no show for 14 hours yesterday.

You construct a Strawman. If the Dems pulled a capable and charismatic woman out of the top hat she would be able to win.

Thank you for saying it. The voter is the fucking problem. Anyone with half a brain realizes this. Gaza, egg prices, and the candidate not having a dick was enough to the traitor rapist felon to get a trifecta. That's not a campaign problem. Maybe Harris didn't run a perfect campaign, but that's clearly not the issue here

This. Was crazy to see everyone turn on the DNC and Harris the moment it was over like we are just unable to come to terms with the fact that we're surrounded by garbage and morons and there's no way around it

Yeah uh, I really really hate to say it, but... democracy worked this time. The voice of the people is "Trump please". Democracy just means you get what most people want, not what the best option is.

For real. The rest of the world needs to get their shit together and cripple the US. Cease all trades immediately, end all alliances with the US. The US has the largest military in the world, and now the facists have the reins entirely. They have the oval office, the have the house, they have the Senate and they have the supreme court. The entire world is going to suffer because of this election.

Remember when they bombed a neighborhood in Philadelphia?

Rebecca Latimer Felton, the first woman elected to the US House, "spoke vigorously in favor of lynching African Americans, under the pretense of protecting the sexual purity of European-American women."

Not to mention that the civil war was lost through the presidential election of 1876 even though it was won in battle before that. That election was so corrupt that the Union conceded a lot to get their president, including removing Federal forces from the South on the promise that the South would protect Federal rights of minorities, blacks, etc. (among other things) The North pulled out and the south reneged without consequence (the KKK was the strong arm then) until the Civil Rights act in the 60s. That's only roughly 60 years ago. Most of the institutional segregation from before then is still firmly in place.

It's amazing the stories that Americans tell themselves about the American Revolution. They pretend that the "founding fathers" were heroic idealists standing up for honorable values against an evil despotic regime. The truth is much more complicated.

A major goal of the 7 Years War was about controlling the colonies in the Americas. Had the French won those wars, the modern people of North America would probably speak French. Look at how many US places still have French names, and especially are named after the French king: Louisiana, Louisville, St. Louis, Mobile, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Detroit, Lafayette, Arkansas, Illinois, Calumet, Decatur, Boise, Montpelier, etc. But, the French lost the war, so the English took over all that territory. Fighting that war was incredibly expensive, but it was worth it for the English because they now controlled a whole new continent with all its resources. To pay for that war, they levied taxes. The English colonists in the US, who were largely the beneficiaries of that part of the war, decided they didn't want to pay those taxes, so they rebelled. They got the benefit of a continent won for them by English armies, but without having to pay the bill for that fight. Now, again, it's complicated. The English armies were integrated with the colonial armies. George Washington was initially an officer in the British army (and was part of starting the French and Indian wars, which became the 7-years-war). The US colonists were part of the force that fought against the French and their native allies.

Anyhow, it was complicated. But, the end result was that after a war that took place both in Europe and in the Americas, the British crown had a huge debt. I have no idea what proportion of that debt was due to the part of the war fought in Europe vs. the part of the war fought in the Americas, but overall there was a big debt and the English crown tried to tax whoever they could to pay for it.

Was the English king a tyrant? Sure. Did the Americans have fair representation in the English parliament? Probably not. But, their main reason for rebelling was the same one that is nearly always the cause of rebellions: the rebels are in an area that's wealthy for some reason, and they don't want to have to share that wealth with the rest of the country / empire. In fact, it was suspected that the colonists chose not to send representatives to the colonial assembly partially because they knew that if they did that it would undermine their "without representation" argument, and the real issue was that they simply didn't want to pay taxes.

As for the English system being tyrannical, the reality is that it has been a very slow, gradual change from an absolute monarchy to a ceremonial one. The English crown is significantly less wealthy than Elon Musk, and arguably has a lot less influence on British politics than Musk does on American politics.

By the letter of the laws, the British system is still more classist and controlled by money than the American system. But, is that true if you look at the actual real way that power is used? It doesn't seem like it to me.

It absolutely does not sound nice on paper.

“Anti-pornography” specifically means “anti-LGBT” to them.

Anti-pornography activism sounds nice on paper

I am absolutely ashamed I'm forced to vote along side you by First Past the Post voting. Disgusting.

Anybody got that American political plane meme handy?

FWIW most clowns are hard-working, skilled individuals who bring joy to people's lives.

Clown country

The majority voted for the candidate I don’t like. That means democracy is broken.

Trump said the exact same thing in 2020 and was rightly condemned for it. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Get used to it.

Not to mention that the founding fathers would hate what has become of American politics...

Some states have already replaced First Past the Post voting actually

You mean an oligarchy then

They willingly put the chains on every morning before heading to work.

Part of that joke though is that they're both exactly the same which is of course a false premise.

Trump has threatened to end democracy in the US. So yesterday may end up being the last time anyone in the US gets to vote.

I wouldn't call that a win for democracy.

If you're referencing Bernie Sanders in 2016 and 2020, he wasn't "democratically popular" in either race. That simply is not supported by polling or election results. He was well behind Clinton by all metrics. Then in 2020, he was briefly "winning" because several similar candidates were splitting the center-left lane. The moment the center-left lane narrowed, Sanders' lead evaporated.

It's SOP for candidates to more or less clear the field for an incumbent president. This is partially because of a perceived effect from a strong primary challenger weakening an incumbent. So Democrats were just doing what both parties have been doing for the last half century.

The change from Biden was in response to clear reactions from the US electorate. The electorate saw Biden's debate performance and was not impressed. There wasn't time to run a process, so Kamala was the obvious choice given a non-ideal situation. But the electorate got what it wanted in terms of an option that wasn't elderly.

Why, what did he say?

Henceforth it shall be admiration.

Russia and China have nothing in power compared to the genuine pure stupidity of Americans. Decades of brainwashing a populous will get you further than invading it from the outside.

No it isn't and it never was.

resist any draconian measures

Really bro.

I bet you wore a mask and took a dozen jabs during that pandemic and like being a sheep.

Are you guys going to tell him?...

You think if he still alive and president that he will step down then? Nope one he will have charges dropped against him. Then he will use four years shapping this country into is imagine. By time he done this country will be so fucked there will be no fixing it. And war against climate change is over.

And if Democrats do happen to run again they will move futher to the right.

I would guess the people behind trump will probably look to get rid of him ASAP since all Trump cares about is himself.

You're making this statement while standing over a dead body. Need to pause for a moment and smell the flesh starting to turn right beneath you. This is that moment. There was never going to be a letter embossed with a seal sent to you to announce it. America is dead, our neighbors quietly suffocated it with a pillow. And today is the next day. The changes will be quieter, more subtle at first, but longer reaching, more impactful and longer lasting.

trump wasn't elected, a train, driven by hate and fear, overflowing with explosives that's been fixed on everything you think you know about America was elected. The holocaust branded with trump's name will be quieter, I imagine it will take longer, but it will probably collectively kill more.

America is the name of a country that used to attempt to maintain democracy. It's the country the failed that mission in 2024. Anything you hear otherwise is self soothing. You're entitled to it though, we all are, because hope is dead and that's what used to bring us back to earth in difficult moments.

People are not basically good. People don't "come to their senses" and we're all just so fixing tired while they are all just in so much fucking adderall.

• musk will be in charge of the National Highway transportation safety board
• rfk jr will oversee vaccine production/distribution
• abbott will lead formation of the National laws on abortion and miscarriage
• joe rogan will be the named author on a new fairness doctrine (that won't actually be)
• tim scott and lindsey graham will co-chair the committee on reforming LGBTQIA+ rights
• steve bannon will be on every month's cover of normal skin magazine
• that church guy and trump's close buddy that just got in trouble for abusing kids will be in charge of repealing the sex offender registry
• mike johnson's son will be in charge of porn
• betsy devos will come back to finish devastating the DOE as public education is killed in favor of vouchers to religious schools
• and brawndo will be what plants crave.

Maybe those of you that stayed home will actually read protect 2025 now. It's all going to happen.

They all paved the way for trump to fucking topple it.

Nixon (also Reagan and Johnson) severely damaged it, Trump is just the end stage.

Things are quite different. While Trump was in office, he did multiple things that were worse than what Nixon did, and was never forced to leave office. I think our institutions were stronger back then. We didn't have a very good democracy when Hoover was president, and it took many decades for the Voting Rights Act to get passed (which has recently been weakened by SCOTUS, and will probably be weakened much more). I think we'll regress quite a bit. Republicans obviously want more of an autocracy/oligarchy. I think it's a very real possibility we have Russia-style "elections" in the future, and I don't even know how you come back from that. Assuming democracy isn't completely destroyed, it may take many decades of fighting and changing the minds of the people who aren't disenfranchised to get back to where we were. Hell, even civil war is on the table if Trump follows through on some of his more egregious promises (i.e. if he deems Democratic state governments as the "enemy within" and tries to use the military to depose them).

Then it’ll probably be so exhausted it won’t survive trump?