does lemmy discriminate community against instances?
Does the instance a user is on (visible after their username) affect how they are perceived, either positively or negatively, by you or others?
I think some people are too quick to judge a whole instance based on a few interactions.
I think some users who use the fediverse a lot may judge on instance. I don't really, except sometimes when I see a reactionary comment from .world and I'm like, "yeah that checks out".
Yep. I don't judge a comment before reading it, but there are a couple of instances where I will think "yeah, not surprised" after reading a reactionary or low-quality post.
I just did my own instance with blackjack, hookers and crack.
I'm agreeing with all the people who say they don't notice until after they've read a post, but I wanted to add a Yo ho! to my comment.
To me, no. There are some who see .ml or dbzero and will act accordingly.
What is the stereotype about dbzero? Out of the loop on that.
We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as sort-of-executive officer for the week, but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting by a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs but by a two thirds majority, in the case of more major..
Full of pirates. Yar harr and 'fuck you I will download a car you stupid DVD preamble.'
yoho!
Mate!
Yeah, some people really fucking hate .ml folks, and I've even heard people shit talk sh.itjust.works.
Also, hexbear was a thing.
They just hate we're right all the time.
They hate us cuz they aint us 🤷
Hexbear still is a thing, not sure what you're referring to.
Hexbear.net doesn't seem to exist anymore?
literally I just chose this instance because I like the seal, I hate tribalism I just wanted a cute seal 😭😭
I chose it because shit never just works - and I'm a techie person.
Same, brother.
Instances over time coalesce into certain ideological stances, a curious aspect of federation it seems. This absolutely has an impact on interaction.
On the other hand, some have explicit ideological positions or themes (e.g. lemmygrad.ml, slrpnk.net) and others are shaped by moderation (.ml taking a hard stance against the sinophobia normal in mainatream media, .world and a few other instances/staff banning comments making light of violence e.g. luigi)
This accelerates that process, for sure! I am more talking about how long-term, users tend to form more similar views. If you join an instance and another better fits your views, users tend to jump ship.
Yes. They literally make memes about instances they despise and how they won't take anyone from those instances seriously.
Preface to say I don’t necessarily hold these views, just my observation:
I’m sure there’s others I’m missing/stereotypes I’m wildly wrong about or not yet informed but that’s what I’ve gleaned so far.
.world is “neutral,” and I think federated with most instances
Nah, .world is the right wing instance, and also pretty defed happy
Where did you get the impression that Lemm.ee is (more) right-leaning?
Lemm.ee does not really have a leaning (in the fediverse).
Lemm.ee has awesome uptime, hands of moderation, up to date Lemmy, and doesn't defedarate (we live in the glorious age of Lemmy 19 and not in the dark ages anymore; the user can block stuff).
.ml is considered 'Tankie'?? First I've heard of this, and I've yet to see anything that would give any kind of credence to that claim. How weird...
While lemmy.ml isn't explicitly tankie like lemmygrad.ml or hexbear.chat, the fact that it's the instance run by the two OG Lemmy devs (who, along with most of the instance's admins, are Marxist Leninists) means you tend to get tankie friendly moderation. Most infamously, sinophobia is cracked down on, so shitlibs can't just go hog wild with stuff like Tinyman Square and "West Taiwan" and such.
People who think .ml is tankie aren't federated with Lemmygrad or Hexbear
Other instances leaning even harder into being tankie doesn't keep .ml from being tankie.
I'd say blahaj users are somewhat biased against .ml users, as evidenced by the 196 banner:
Which is right in line with how historically both the Right and the Left have failed miserably at LGBTQ+ representation and rights.
The militant left of the past was still steeped in machismo and as such, in places like Cuba, being homosexual or transgender was punishable by law until the late 1990's. The social ostracism runs deep when it is politically/legally enforced so long. It is finally changing for the better.
China is also the Left, and they have a similarly long history of denying LGBTQ+ rights, although to be fair they are slowly getting better in some ways.
It can make folks in the LGBTQ+ community feel like they're political pawns on a chessboard, to be used and discarded at will because the leaders of the movements see them as useful but expendable.
Feeling like you're expendable politically sucks, as does feeling like your just a pawn in someone else's game. There's a reason they called it "Rainbow Capitalism" when companies would hype Pride month and then forget about them the rest of the year.
For current evidence even more "liberal" companies are dropping anything and everything to do with LGBTQ+ rights and representation. Google was definitely seen as a forward-thinking progressive company for a long time, and they've already dropped Pride Month from Google Calendar. They have plenty of LGBTQ+ employees, and they're happy to throw them under the bus.
All this makes it very hard for many people in the LGBTQ+ community to trust either side politically. There is a general acceptance that the Left does it better, though, and is at least trying to become better at how it handles these issues. The libertarian Right has come to a small level of acceptance under the guise of "if it doesn't hurt anyone else, it shouldn't be an issue" but I'd say that's still the minority of libertarians who truly believe that. Most libertarians are just conservatives cosplaying at having independent thought.
However, while I personally would like to say the Left is slowly getting better at this, it's still taking far too long. People's lives are being wasted waiting for people to respect their rights.
historically
Right now Cuba has the most equal LGBT rights in the world.
Do you think that Wikipedia is going to be unbiased on a country that has been the USA's enemy and under perpetual blockade and embargo for 70 years?
If I might suggest an alternative resource for any reader interested, Leslie Feinberg wrote a book which is free, called Rainbow Solidary : In Defense of Cuba. It is free to read as PDF here https://www.workers.org/wp-content/uploads/LavenderRed_Cubabook.pdf. It was hir last book before hir premature death. Zie was LGBT activist who also wrote Stone Butch Blues, Transgender Warriors and Trans Liberation : Beyond Pink and Blue.
It is a nuanced book, which covers the history of Cuba's LGBT community pre-colonization, under Spanish colonization, under US control after the Spanish-American War and the two dictatorships of the early to mid 20th century, moving into the communist regime into the 00s.
It covers the bad, machismo culture and the UMAP camps, slide back on rights at certain times, but it also quite clearly outlines the historical progress they made on LBGT rights, often ahead of the rest of the world. You say they were arresting trans people in the 80s-90s, when they were literally flying their doctors to East Germany to learn how to do state funded gender affirming surgery at that time.
It's a worthwhile read. Cuba is not and wasn't ever perfect, but the communist party and the LGBT community in dialectical relationship with one and another have shaped a course that is historically progressive and inspirational.
That’s completely valid. Thank you for sharing; like I said I’m still relatively new so hearing insight from more established users helps a lot. You’d think the natural association would be basic fucking human rights = common sense leftism but that is unfortunately not the case for established leftist governments at the minimum. (Spoken as someone who, to my knowledge, aligns leftist/anarchist)
We have to have each others’ backs because “allyship” is a finicky bitch.
Meh. There are so many instances that I don't really judge someone by what instance they're on; I judge someone based on what they do.
I dont look at instance first or judge people from the instance. But if I see a super tankie take and then I see its .ml instance I am like yep figures.
I keep seeing so much stuff against .ml and I'm just like, I picked it because it was basically the only really active one when I first joined...
The honest majority of users on any instance seem to get drowned by the noisiest few
I have both left and right leaning political viewpoints, and .world people like to call me a .ml troll
Actually makes sense, there are some takes skirting on the border here
Many Lemmy users are quick to judge users based on instances. Heck some of them are defederated.
Not really. Most users on most platforms are just users. I give kudos to those instances that have unique names and < 10 users. Or to sdf, those users are awesome.
Thank you : )
Yay, my somewhat randomly chosen people.
I didn't know that others knew about sdf
sdf users seem to pop up with lots of self made content. Which is really awesome.
During kamala shill op on here, I had accounts have a melt down because I was on mbin... Not really sure why. As if being non Lemmy explained why I didn't accept her appointment by DNC komisars
What
I want to be discriminated against from my own merits and not whatever instance I chose. I was originally posting out of Mastodon anyways.
yes, it's basic tribalism
Personally I don't notice it or care at all. People get way too bogged down in stuff like that, making presumptions or ascribing views to people. I'm here for funny and interesting shit, nothing else.
I don't actively discriminate based on a poster's instance, but there are a half dozen or so instances where there is a very high likelihood that they lean one way or another on different topics. If a post that could be read two ways then their instance can be a pretty reliable indicator that looking at their posting history will confirm which way they lean.
In a couple of cases I just blocked the communities that are the hot button issues for that instance because other communities are worth reading and interacting with.
Somewhat. If a .ml user says something kinda sus you'll get "of course this tankie shit is from an .ml user," and the .ml users (and other tankies) hate .world and sjw for being "liberal nazis." .ml also has many non-tankie users as an ostensibly "general" instance, so it really depends, you kinda have to sus em out, but the admins and mods will ban you for talking bad about the russian and chinese governments and openly simp for stalin, so the sane users there often get banned or avoid upsetting the FSB admins.
Hexbear and .grad users are almost universally annoying shitheads you want to avoid, they center their identities around being insufferable so it's funny they don't like when you say it, but it's true. Cue DVs from angry .ml and hexbear users, grad can't see me though since we're defederated, but they'll get me with their .ml alts lmao.
Db0 are mostly pirates and anarchists, they vary more but mostly cool. .ee seems cool, and then there's the germans and the Uks and stuff. Basically everyone but .ml, hex, grad, .world, and sjw just "are."
OH but beehaw is overly cautious about niceties, and blahaj will defend drag (the person), not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just the way they do business. Ok I think that about covers it.