Thank god the debt got blown up so that suppressors are tax free

I don't understand why gun control people want taxes on gun-related stuff. If someone's going to go do a mass shooting, you really think another $200 on an attachment is gonna stop them. It's mainly going to penalize collectors like this guy, and there's zero difference in public safety between someone owning 26 vs 27 suppressors.

You don't want people to have suppressors, ban them. If you're not banning them, leave them be. Taxes and fees are just the worst of both worlds.

What I can't stand is that responsible gun owners (yes, the number of responsible gun owners far outweigh the number of irresponsible gun owners), use suppressors as a safety measure. Suppressors are a form of PPE so that you don't blast out your ear drums in the event of having to discharge your weapon in close quarters. It's still pretty loud, but you will still have your senses intact. Very important in high stress situations.
But Hollywood has given suppressors this reputation that they make it easy for anyone to stealthily move around a building murdering people without anyone noticing. IT'S A FAKE! That's movie shit!
As is the case in many areas, Hollywood is the reason we can't have nice things!
- Also note that a pillow is more effective than a suppressor for a couple shots, it's just not reusable. Which you wouldn't care about for a crime.
- That is hugely dependent on caliber. I've shot plenty where the only thing you hear is the action.

Suppressors shouldn't be illegal, and they shouldn't require special regulation.

Why? They are tools designed to make deadly weapons deadlier, they absolutely should be regulated.
- As a card carrying member of the Socialist Rifle Association, and someone in their 50's I can tell you that they serve a legitimate purpose. While suppressors don't actually make firearms 'silent', they do reduce the sound by a significant amount. Traditional Ear Protection helps, but doesn't eliminate the noise entirely. It also does nothing if you happen to take your earpro out for any reason and someone else shoots.
  If you do a lot of target practice they can really help save your hearing.
  They do nothing to make the weapons deadlier, though you could argue that in very specific and unusual circumstance it could make it easier for a killer to kill someone without getting caught.
- They're typically actually designed to protect people's hearing.
  Guns should be restricted, but silencers aren't particularly special amongst gun accessories for being more dangerous or violent than any other.
  It basically makes it so you get serious hearing damage slightly slower. The shot would still be heard from quite a distance.
  Bump stocks and the things that make guns automatic-but-technically-not-in-the-legal-sense should be taxed to hell or outright illegal since they actually increase the danger.
- As someone who isn't used to hearing gunshots, you should be in favor of supressors. They're basically the only gun part that makes it less dangerous to you, a bystander
- They don't make them any deadlier. In fact, they are prone to cause problems unless you really know what you're doing. Remember Luigi? The reason his pistol kept "jamming" is because the suppressor was preventing the normal cycling of the weapon. This is very common, and has to be addressed with training, proper selection and fit of both the suppressor and firearm, as well as special ammunition. This is the real reason that most criminals aren't using suppressors. You can make them out of pipes and washers, oil filters... even 3d print them now (pretty sure this was the case for Luigi).
- Hollywood myth.

Don’t do that. Don’t be yet another “progressive political” movement that goes down the gun control warpath.

“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”

You can have common sense gun control means without going full Australia.
- Yes, we can.
  The three pieces of "common sense" gun control that we need are:
  50-state reciprocity / National Concealed Carry licensure. It is obscene that a perfectly legal act performed by a person with no criminal record whatsoever, suddenly becomes an aggravated felony, simply by crossing a state line.
  Public Access to NICS. A private seller should be able to ask a buyer for proof of a background check, and be able to verify that proof with NICS. Private sales are legal in most states, but private sellers have no access to conduct a background check. This leaves us with the absurd scenario where a private seller can sell to anyone. So long as the buyer doesn't indicate they are a felon, the seller can't be prosecuted, because there is no reasonable way for them to know. Provide that reasonable way, and such sellers can be prosecuted.
  Remove silencers from the National Firearms Act. A prohibition on making guns quieter is a mandate for hearing damage.
  Three common sense gun control measures we could and should implement immediately. Three common sense gun control measures that are broadly rejected by centrists claiming to be progressive.
  The idiotic measures that Hillarycrats keep pushing - like Universal Background Checks, Assault Weapons Bans, Magazine Limits, Waiting Periods - are not "common sense". They are wildly unpopular attacks on mainstream gun owners.
- Yeah man, fuck our lack of school shootings and our radically reduced gun-related violence! We're the worst!
  Not that I'm saying that would work in America - Australia has safer (though not perfect) law enforcement.
  If I were American, I'd probably also fiercely advocate to keep my guns, too. When your own country can't guarantee safety, you have to.
- Lol Australia? Look at how many mass shootings Australia has vs you gun retards. Glad I can send my kids to school without fear of them being shot. Fucking gun nut spastic Americans, honestly. At least my kids won't get shot for no reason. Hurr durr I need a killing machine /s. Absolutely ridiculous logic. Do you even know what the word amendment means? Fuck me, why are you not allowed to build a nuke?
  Yeah, fully aware that this is a US instance... please ratify my point and click the down arrow.
- Or Canada. I dont know if you have been paying attention, but canada has been enacting some really, really strict laws in thr past few years. There are no more new handguns allowed to be sold, and almost all semi-automatic rifles are banned now.
Hoarding anything is bad. Hoarding silencers is sociopathic.
Marx wrote this in 1850. He was talking about social and political issues of 1850, and also he was talking about single shot muskets. He didn't have to consider what the implications of shootouts with police armed with tanks will be, in part because tanks didn't exist.
You're doing the same textualism rightoids are doing, and it's wrong and bad from any side.
Allowing deep south bumpkins buying supressed machine guns and bringing them to schools is not how you do progressive politics.
- Supressed machine guns xD

They're a common sense accessory; they make guns safer for the hearing of everyone around. That said, having 27 is silly. I won't begrudge someone an odd collection, though. Some people collect Magic Cards.

The guy is 67, so he may have bought those over a long time, possibly for different guns. If he shoots a lot, he might even have burnt out a few.
The photo is of a different person.
- I think I've been misconstrued by a few folks in a few directions.
  I think silencers are a useful safety device, and not a tool of criminal enterprise at least at their current cost. I see no reason not to be allowed to buy as many as you wish.
  I also don't think that most collections of things you can just buy in a store are interesting, personally.
Right, there is no valid argument that is based on reality, not Hollywood fantasy, for restricting suppressors or taxing suppressors, a literal safety device. It's like restricting and taxing airbags on a car.
- I'd say its more akin to restricting muffler use on cars. Instead, we usually place upper limits on how loud a car's exhaust can be. Hearing protection is important and muffler/suppressor use should be encouraged.
- Automakers trying to make airbags a subscription: furious note taking
- There are microphones placed around some cities that can triangulate the location of gunshots with great accuracy and provide rapid response. Whether or not you think this is a good thing is another topic. I'm just shocked more people don't know about this.
  edit: I literally do not care, it's a minor issue to me, spamming me with links about this thing you're frothing over means nothing to me, I'm not even contesting anything, there's like three people reading down this far, you need to get off the soapbox and chill bros.
- a literal safety device.
  what a fantastic distortion of reality. Only in America. god forbid you wore your actual ppe while using firearms. poor baby, wants the boom boom but doesn't like the bang bang.
  take your tinnitus like the rest of us and stop fuckin crying.
- Are airbags tax-exempt?
Plot twist: He doesn't own any guns. He just likes silencers.
- It's a quiet hobby
- Got all different sizes so he can play them like pan pipes.
  With disappointing results!
Dude works in a gun store, guns are obviously his hobby. I collect old, shitty shotguns. Love the gunsmithing and woodworking challenges.
If I had the means, almost every one I own would have a suppressor. The deafening noise is the worst part of shooting, by a long shot (heh).
- guns are obviously his hobby
  firearms are his entire personality. he'd put 9mm for his religion if he could find the box to check.
If one silencer makes the gun quieter, imagine how quiet it must be with twenty-seven!
- You'd think that, but it actually wraps around the bottom of the graph and BECOMES EXTRA LOUD!
I need 27 suppressors for my 27 guns. Ever thought of that? Didn't think so.
- And why do I need 27 guns? That's right, for my 27 hands. Betcha feel real silly now, huh buster?
- I think if you put 27 suppressors in series, the bullet wouldn't even make it out. You'd have to point your 12 foot long handgun down and shake it!
Some people collect Magic Cards.
Each is a unique piece of art with a different use in a complicated game. Very affordable and easy to store.
Meanwhile silencers... Creepy AF. Kinda wacky to equate with Magic cards.
I would definitely rather hang out with a Magic nerd than a gun psycho. Not even close.
The begrudging comes from expecting the odd collection to be exempt from tax.
- Taxing something means it's only available to the rich
- I don't think that's accurate, but I understand why you say that.
  The tax on suppressors (and automatic weapons) is often several hundred percent, because the legislature and regulatory agencies are not allowed (by the supreme court's opinions in the last few decades) to outright BAN them. The very high tax is pretty much the only way they have to restrict the sale of those items.
  I've never heard a gun enthusiast say they shouldn't have to pay sales taxes. (Well, that's not true because there's some overlap between gun fanatics and libertarian tax radicals.)
- Exempt from punitive taxes. Nobody is saying suppressors shouldn't be taxed like game consoles or dog food, they're saying suppressors shouldn't be taxed like gambling or tobacco
- If there's a $200 tax stamp on blue eyes white dragons that needs to go too, but afaik now they're evenly taxed (sales tax alone). Neither are "exempt."
  And they're still regulated, you just don't need to pay the $200 that was meant to be cost prohibitive when enacted in 1934, so what are you complaining about? That the poors can now have them easier? They should be entirely deregulated like France tbh.
They're a common sense accessory; they make guns safer for the hearing of everyone around.
I think common sense accessory is a bit of a stretch. Ear plugs/muffs do the same thing and work beyond shooting.
It is stupid to tax something just because you can't ban it and only disadvantages those who can't afford it.
- But what if, what if... you combined both, instead of an 'or' situation?
  Good god Jameson, you're off the charts with the ideas this week!
- Suppessors are a common shooting accessory in many European countries because they do limit the noise for shooters and bystanders. And they are used with ear PPE while shooting. European shooters are often amazed that supressors require a special tax stamp for each unit in the US for something that they consider a basic safety device.
- I fail to see how a suppressor only being useful as an accessory for shooting doesn't make it a common sense accessory (for shooting). They're common sense in the same way that wearing a mask when you're sick is common sense. A mask helps prevent you from getting other people sick, it doesn't protect you from getting sick. Wearing a mask isn't "not common sense" because it only works while you're sick and not all the time.
  It's like scraping snow and ice off your car. Cleaning your windshield will let you see when you drive, but cleaning off your roof will prevent a sheet of ice from slamming into the car behind you on the highway when the wind catches an edge, or will save you from having it slide down onto your windshield the next time you slow down and blind you. Calling a snow scraper a common sense accessory isn't a stretch because a lot of the world never sees freezing temps or snow. Tools are made to be used in context, and within that context it can be common sense to use them for that purpose.
- Ear plugs/muffs do the same thing
  I reject the premise of your argument.
  Ever use a set of bone conduction headphones? These sit on the temple, in front of the ear, and conduct sound waves directly through the bone of the skull. Wearing earplugs does not reduce the effectiveness of such headphones. Bone conveys sound waves exceedingly well. You can damage your hearing with bone conduction headphones, even while wearing earplugs.
  The reality is that earplugs or earmuffs are not adequate for fully mitigating the harmful impulse noise of common firearms. Injury is lessened by ear protection, sure, but it is not eliminated. No amount of ear protection can prevent a sound pressure wave from being conducted to the cochlea by the skull bone. Earplugs and earmuffs limit sound passing through the auditory canal; not the skull itself.
  Silencers reduce the harmful sound pressure wave before it can be conducted by bone. As such, they are much more effective at mitigating harm.
- I can't speak to other countries, but in the U.S., the greater part of our tax code is made up of tax credits and penalties meant to influence the behavior of individuals and companies. That's the result of our government not having other adaptable mechanisms for levying fines.
"they make guns safer" so does banning bullets but the point of guns isn't to make anyone safe.
- Guns make plenty of people safer, you have been lucky to be in a situation where one hasn’t been needed.

Any machinist can make one, and probably for a lot less.

People have even designed 3d printable one-piece suppressors at this point, no mesh or other filling materials required.
I made one with a pvc, filled with layers of drywall repair mesh held together with pipe clamps. It's nice to being able to .22 plink at night. Not registering it even if there's no tax. Currently working on an even more naughty gun project. Didn't file taxes this year either.
I just don't care anymore now that they're sending citizens and non-citizens alike to federal concentration camps to await horrible fates. There's nothing to lose anymore.
- Just remember PVC shrapnel won't show up on an X-ray if that thing goes pop
More importantly, this isn't a burning issue unless your an ammosexual who needs to scream about guns every 30 minutes or the shell-casings that make up your grey-matter start to bulge with pressure, or someone who thinks suppressors are like magic death sticks that make guns even scarier. This is a moderately successful attempt at creating more distraction and contentious social discourse.
Just scroll down, there are already hundreds of gun-obsessed lefties and libs even on Lemmy screaming back and forth about this like it's going to change the world and lead to more/less murders.
Meanwhile... the bandits continue to haul money out of our treasury, the laws that protect us are getting repealed, and the tools we needed to build a better democracy are being destroyed, all while the worldwide economy leaves the US behind.
Only a little dangerous, a little probably not as effective, and super duper illegal if you don't follow ATF procedures and submit your paperwork to them before you start.
- I'm from Southern US, and people do it here frequently. My university no longer allows personal use of their machine shop because of it.
You can just jam a potato over the barrel for pennies.

Owning and knowing how to safely use a firearm is an US right. I don't agree with the current interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, but the Supreme Court said so, and nobody asked me.

I'd encourage anyone here to seriously look into purchasing a gun and a silencer.

Also, a silencer won't save your ears. Guns are still super loud and a lot of bullets are supersonic. Get a can and some hearing protection and use both.

Of course, a lot of that probably depends on where you live.

Downvoters, don't hate the guy because he is right. And now is sadly the time. Any actually patriotic American should be deciding whether they will be capable of defending liberty from their countrymen that would rather take it from them. Capable of raising a firearm against another human that disregards other humans right to exist. And if they decide that they do have the grit, now is likely their last chance to easily and legally procure a firearm and learn how to use it. There are literally masked authorities kidnapping people in broad daylight, history says a domestic conflict is coming soon.
knowing how to safely use a firearm
A right, but not a requirement. One of my biggest issues with gun ownership is that we don't actually require knowledge or training in gun safety or use. That's insane to me.
- It should be taught to everyone as part of the regular school curriculum.
Even recognizing how violent the world is, I doubt I would ever buy a gun.
In my view, adding guns to an environment decreases the net safety of that environment, through added fear, expectations, theft chances, etc. I think common gun owner sentiments about “Just handle it safely” miss the mark and are overly optimistic about 100% constant perfect behavior. You have industrial accidents at industrial sites, even with rules. You do not have industrial accidents outside of industrial sites.
That’s partly a factor of where I live. It’s also a factor of what I want the local mentality to be. Similarly, I’m not crossing the street to avoid people I don’t recognize.
- You don't have to buy one, but I would recommend a basic gun safety course for everyone. Just knowing how to handle a firearm increases the community safety even if you don't own one.
- Counterargument: No guns is obviously the safest. One gun or few guns in bad hands is very dangerous, and each gun added into the environment after in the hands of good people eventually adds safety. Not to the level of no guns but more than the few.
- 100% valid and all good points.

What does he need all shit that for? He's only got the two hands.

Why does it matter? People should be able to buy what they want
- Its not unusual for these people to be part of alt right militia movement. They're likely buying bulk for their terrorist organizations.
- But people can't buy whatever they want. I can't buy drugs, but I would like to. So clearly simply wanting to buy something isn't enough. So why are gun suppressors an exception?
- There's always a reasonable limit to individual freedom. Like you can't say fire in a crowded theater. If you completely uphold individual freedom at the expense of the community, everyone will eventually suffer.
  Edit: keep down voting. Y'all are wrong and you know it. It's an uncomfortable truth. Grow up.
That's not the aspect of this that bothers me, given how many D&D players I know who own hundreds of dice.
Suppressors get used up when you use them. They’ll clog up.
- baffles, wipes sure... the cans themselves? nah, not realistically a consumable.

Dat settler-colonial insecurity runs deep.

The bill also drops the National Firearms Act fee on short barrelled guns. Fucking good! The shorter the barrel, the slower and less accurate the bullet/pellets. A sawed off shotgun is hilariously ineffective. So why are less dangerous guns highly restricted? The NFA was specifically written to fuck with the Italian Mafia.

Remember kids! Guns laws always have their roots in racism!

Know what really grinds my gears? Blacks, women and LGBT folks have been the largest gun purchasing demographic for the past several years. Wait...

Did y'all think you were just baggin' on white rednecks? Some of you suburban white kids didn't get the memo?

Know why California has the most strict, and idiotic and ineffective, guns laws? Because those buh-lacks were patrolling with open weapons to protect their neighborhoods from the pigs.

Notice how everyone protesting ICE is unarmed? Because ICE is only hitting unarmed populations.

WhErE mY 2a PeEps aT?!

Right fucking here, where ICE isn't.

Your head. Your ass. Remove the former from the later.

While I don’t fully disagree with your points, it should be noted that the “where are the 2a people?” comments are all targeted at the conservatives who get in a huge fuss whenever a school shooting starts gun ban talks but who have been largely silent every single time their own party does absurd, objective, obviously tyrannical things. People were out in the street during covid, fully armed, complaining that they weren’t allowed to go to Denny’s anymore but sit back and continue support the second coming of the Nazi party.
There’s a lot more to it than whatever you’ve got going on and I would hope, especially given a couple of your first few good points, that you’d understand that.
Also the short barreled gun thing has to do with concealment, obviously. While I have no doubt that the reasons have good racist undertones, because the US is just that kinda place, you can’t seriously be saying that the lack of range of a sawed-off shotgun makes it fundamentally and universally less dangerous. A pistol is “less effective” than a sniper rifle but I can get plenty close to you with one before you even realize there’s about to be a big fuckin’ problem.
You talk a big game about other people having their heads up their asses but you may need to check the location of your own when you next get the chance.
Concealment. A sawed off shotgun can be concealed under a suit, making it easy to commit robberies and assassinate. The bugger issue were Thompson sub-machine guns, which were short, fully automatic, and used by people that didn’t care for civilian casualties all that much.
Worth noting that less accurate ≠ less dangerous
I'll grant that less powerful does though
- A sawed off shotgun is essentially a melee weapon.
  A very deadly, quick, and effective melee weapon.

Repubs used to call Democrats the "tax and spend party". The GOP is the "don't tax just spend anyway party".

You forgot the ~~import taxes~~ tariffs.
So, they are the tax and spend party too. Except they spend a lot more, and their taxes are designed to punish anyone who is not rich.
So, they are more like the tax, spend, and be the billionaire's little cucks party.

I imagine that only made the wait times go up.

I read this as "Government expects magical boom of item that specific target market already buys"

Honey, I finally bought that gun suppressor! We don't even own a gun, let alone a gun this fits on Yes, but it was ~~_******~_{******_Tax Exempt_******}~_******~~

If you go far enough left, you get your guns back.
Outside some specific hunting (like bait hunting foxes) silencers are not needed. Then again an assault rifle is a bad hunting weapon so...
- Suppressors are an important safety device for everyone's hearing. Watching someone fire a 9mm handgun without a suppressor is painful to me, even with double hearing protection (ear plugs and muffs).
- ?
  All my range guns have suppressors in addition to my owning high quality ear pro. You don't need a suppressor to shoot, but it's a kind thing to do for your future ability to use your ears.
  You don't need 35 of them, but one per caliber is a good start.

Thank Glob that those tariffs won't affect gun and silencer prices. 🙃

In a Warlord Economy, the only exports your band of raiders can successfully manage are surface-level resources like wood and fossil fuels, and of course guns. Once those easy resources are sold off or stripped bare, the warlords typically move on to greener pastures to conquer.
You only need to look at some of the other Warlord Nations in the world to see what America will become rapidly as we lose our infrastructure and support systems for high-wage jobs, tech development and educated labor who can build or design things. Russia 2.0 babyeeee.

Do they at least go on 27 different types of guns?

Maybe mr. Paul has a scientific streak and wants to compare competing designs for a single caliber?
More than likely multiple calibers, and backups in the main calibers like 9mm and 5.56 since suppressors have a limited lifespan and need to be replaced.
If they don't I certainly have questions.

Imagine how silent that house must be

If a tree fell in the woods, and only this guy was around..

dint trump ban, issued some fort of gun control in his first term, maga never made a peep about it.

Bump stocks after Vegas, and no, not 1 peep.
- I know a lot of people who were pretty upset about it.
- Thats... just not true
- it was mostly ignored by fox at the time too, before the MAGA-exodus from fox during bidens first campaign.
- Which was overturned in 2024 btw.

Thinking of hiking down to the creek right now. Love to pop a few off! Sometimes I do, but I don't want anyone alarmed. Have a camp in the boonies, would love to dial that sound down so as not to annoy the neighbors. And then there's my hearing, not getting any younger.

I have a shitload of guns. (many don't work ATM) Never bought a suppressor because the prices are insane on top of the $200 tax. It's a fucking CAN! Only reason they cost so much is all the legal hassle. Be buying come January assuming prices drop. LOL, we'll probably be able to get crappy suppressors on eBay.

My neighbors called the cops because I was shooting the other week. Cops saw my blind and range and complimented it. I dumped a lot of rounds after they left.
No ebay, they're still regulated, just regulated for free now.
But now a cheap(-est you're going to find above .22lr) $400 can isn't suddenly $600, so it helps, and they may get cheaper.
- There are some lawsuits pending regarding the legality of regulating them without their tax stamps.

I agree, thank "god" (or appropriate figurative substitute, it's all fake anyway) that bullshit tax is gone (effective jan 1 iirc).

Taxing gun suppressors as a means of gun control was dumb. Eliminating the tax was dumb. People's fascination with mid-20th century military technology and their self-obsessive "I'm the PC in a video game" mentality is sicko shit. The whole American experiment in lobbyist-guided gun control legislation is such a fucking joke.

Just reading about it never fails to blackpill me.

They wanted to remove the tax altogether but they couldn’t, so the tax was set to $0 instead. Now there is a lawsuit saying the tax is illegal altogether because it is an illegal federal firearm registry, which will uktimately remove the nfa restrictions anyway.

I mean. You really dont even need one. It's not a James Bond movie. You can still hear the shot from miles away lmao.

I'll be the devils advocate here and say that it is so much more pleasant to shoot with a suppressor. Both for you, and everyone else around.
Personally, in this modern age. There's not a lot of reasons to NOT use one. It's not even that expensive to thread hunting rifles. I think it cost us ~150€ excluding the suppressor.
And I say this from the perspective of a licensed hunter. (And I'm not even american)
But yes. 27 of them is quite ridiculous
- or you could just put plugs and cans on your silly head and - oh wait - you're gonna do this anyway if you have half a brain, even with a suppressor.
  so it's all just cosplay kit huh?
- What are you shooting at?
- You must have sensitive ears. 12 gauage shotguns are loud but not terrible with zero hearing protection. This is sitting on the sheet range with 10 people blasting rounds for a few hours.
  One or two shots defending your home isn't going to blow out your ears. Edge cases would be holding a gun close to your ear, which isn't common. I'm not judging anyone throwing a suppressor on their gun, do what you want. But I'm just saying, you're not going to be sneaking around firing off silent shots in the middle of a party. People will know what you're doing.

How does this increase our quality of life? I mean, I guess guns increase the quality of life for stupid people.

In a sane society, someone who hoards gun suppressors would be investigated to ensure they aren't a threat. But we live over here, where everything is batshit insane.

If you have a muffler on your car, then you must be a criminal getaway driver that just wants to escape from the cops without being heard
- If you have 27 mufflers in your car or 27 cars with mufflers, I'm gonna say you should probably be investigated

I can just imagine the victims of mass shooting to be much higher because the gun shots are much quieter.

It's not that much quieter. You're looking at a change from 'instant hearing damage' to 'someone screaming in your ear' levels. You're still not going to be mistaking a suppressed gunshot for hole punch like they do in movies.
A suppressed gunshot is still very loud. Like 90 dB(A) or more. While there are purpose built firearms for very quiet shooting they're rare, expensive, and only situationally functional.

Just for self-defence and deer hunting, of course. Don’t wanna scare the neighbors. Or the other deer.

Tax me more, daddy