21h ago

Tesla Full-Self Driving Veers Off Road, Hits Tree, and Flips Car for No Obvious Reason (No Serious Injuries, but Scary)

Video: Tesla Full-Self Driving Veers Off Road, Hits Tree, and Flips Car for No Obvious Reason (No Serious Injuries, but Scary) - FuelArc News

A 2025 Tesla Model 3 in Full-Self Driving mode drives off of a rural road, clips a tree, loses a tire, flips over, and comes to rest on its roof. Luckily, the driver is alive and well, able to post about it on social media.

I just don't see how this technology could possibly be ready to power an autonomous taxi service by the end of next week.

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24h ago

Video: Tesla Full-Self Driving Veers Off Road, Hits Tree, and Flips Car for No Obvious Reason (No Serious Injuries, but Scary)

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1d ago

Tesla Full-Self Driving Veers Off Road, Hits Tree, and Flips Car for No Obvious Reason (No Serious Injuries, but Scary)

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2d ago

Tesla Full-Self Driving Veers Off Road, Hits Tree, and Flips Car for No Obvious Reason (No Serious Injuries, but Scary)

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The car made a fatal decision faster than any human could possibly correct it. Tesla’s idea that drivers can “supervise” these systems is, at this point, nothing more than a legal loophole.
What I don't get is how this false advertising for years hasn't caused Tesla bankruptcy already?
- Well, because 99% of the time, it's fairly decent. That 1%'ll getchya tho.
  
  To put your number into perspective, if it only failed 1 time in every hundred miles, it would kill you multiple times a week with the average commute distance.

Typical piss poor quality from Leon Hitler. F Tesla.

It got the most recent update, and thought a tunnel was a wall.
- ... and a tree was a painting.
- Took me a second to get it, but that's brilliant.
  I wonder if there might even be some truth to it?

HAL9000 had Oh Clementine!
Has Tesla been training their AI with the lumberjack song?

It's full self-driving, doesn't need roads. Put into wrong car.

Don't drive Tesla

I have visions of Elon sitting in his lair, stroking his cat, and using his laptop to cause this crash. /s
- That tree cast shade on his brand.
  It had to go.
- Why would you inflict that guy on a poor innocent kitty?

No serious injuries
How unfortunate
- Look, I respect where you're coming from. May I presume your line of reasoning is in the vein of "elon musk sucks and thus anyone who buys their stuff is a Nazi and should die" - but that is far, far too loose of a chain of logic to justify sending a man to death alone. Perhaps if you said that they should be held accountable with the death penalty on the table? But c'mon - are you really the callous monster your comment paints you as?
  
  These aren’t passive victims, they are operating harmfully dangerous machines at high speeds on roads shared with the rest of us.

Why someone will be a passenger in self-driving vehicle? They know that they are a test subjects, part of a "Cartrial" (or whatever should be called)? Self-Driving is not reliable and not necessery. Too much money is invested in something that is "Low priority to have". There are prefectly fast and saf self-driving solutions like High-speed Trains.
- I have no idea, I guess they have a lot more confidence in self driving (ESPECIALLY Tesla) than I do.

"I'm confident that Save full self driving (SFSD) will be ready next year"

The worst part is that this problem has already been solved by using LIDAR. Vegas had fully self-driving cars that I saw perform flawlessly, because they were manufactured by a company that doesn’t skimp on tech and rip people off.
- I wouldn't really called it a solved problem when waymo with lidar is crashing into physical objects
  https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/waymo-recalls-1200-robotaxis-after-cars-crash-into-chains-gates-and-utility-poles/ar-AA1EMVTF
  NHTSA stated that the crashes “involved collisions with clearly visible objects that a competent driver would be expected to avoid.” The agency is continuing its investigation.
  It'd probably be better to say that Lidar is the path to solving these problems, or a tool that can help solve it. But not solved.
  Just because you see a car working perfectly, doesn't mean it always is working perfectly.
- Are those the ones that you can completely immobilize with a traffic cone?
  
  The same is true when you put a cone in front of a human driver’s vision. I don’t understand why “haha I blocked the vision of a driver and they stopped driving” is a gotcha.
  
  You say that like it's a bad thing lol if it kept going, that cone would fly off and hit somebody.
  
  Probably Zoox, but conceptually similar, LiDAR backed.
  You can immobilize them by setting anything large on them. Your purse, a traffic cone, a person :)
  Probably makes sense to be a little cautious with the gas pedal when there is an anything on top the vehicle.
  
  Yes lol

I mean, if Elon was my dad, I'd probably have some suicidal tendencies too.
- More like the abusive step-father

I use autopilot all the time on my boat. No way in hell I'd trust it in a car. They all occasionally get suicidal. Mine likes to lull you into a sense of false security, then take a sharp turn into a channel marker or cargo ship at the last second.
- They have auto pilot on boats? I never even thought about that existing. Makes sense, just never heard of it until just now!
  
  They've technically had autopilots for over a century, the first one was the oil tanker J.A Moffett in 1920. Though the main purpose of it is to keep the vessel going dead straight as otherwise wind and currents turn it, so using modern car terms I think it would be more accurate to say they have lane assist? Commercial ones can often do waypoint navigation, following a set route on a map, but I don't think that's very common on personal vessels.
  
  They've had it forever. Tie a rope to the wheel. Presto. Autopilot.
- Exactly. My car doesn’t have AP, but it does have a shed load of sensors and sometimes it just freaks out about stuff being too close to car for no discernible reason. Really freaks me out as I’m like what you see bro we just driving down the motorway.
  
  For mine, it’s the radar seeing the retro-reflective stripes on utility poles being brighter than it expects.
- Isn't there a plane whose autopilot famously keeps trying to crash into the ground. The general advice is to just not let it do that, whenever it looks like it's about to crash into the ground, pull up instead.
  
  All the other answers here are wrong. It was the Boeing 737-Max.
  They fit bigger, more fuel efficient engines on it that changed the flight characteristics, compared to previous 737s. And so rather than have pilots recertify on this as a new model (lots of flight hours, can't switch back), they designed software to basically make the aircraft seem to behave like the old model.
  And so a bug in the cheaper version of the software, combined with a faulty sensor, would cause the software to take over and try to override the pilots and dive downward instead of pulling up. Two crashes happened within 5 months, to aircraft that were pretty much brand new.
  It was grounded for a while as Boeing fixed the software and hardware issues, and, more importantly, updated all the training and reference materials for pilots so that they were aware of this basically secret setting that could kill everyone.
  
  The Being 787 Max did that when the sensor got faulty and there was no redundancy for the sensor's because that was in an optional addon package
  
  Pretty sure that's the Boeing 777 and they discovered that after a crash off Brazil.

"It crashed!"
"Yes but it did it all by itself!"
- Except for the last 0.05 seconds before the crash where the human was put in control. Therefore, the human caused the crash.

Anything outside of a freshly painted and paved LA roads at high noon while it's sunny isn't ready for self drivings it seems
- Actual self-driving vehicles, sure. Just not whatever the fuck Tesla is doing.
  
  I'm not sure about even the more advanced self-driving cars. Shit gets fucked with snow and all kinds of other stuff.
  Flummoxes many human drivers too tbh.
- Or silly tunnels you can't get out of.
  
  Tunnels are extra dangerous. Not because of the likelihood of an accident, but because of the situation if an accident happens. It blocks the tunnels easily, fills it with smoke, and kills hundreds.
  Except newly built tunnels in rich countries.

I am never getting into a self driving car. I don't understand why we are investing money into this technology when people can already drive cars on their own, and we should be moving towards robust public transportation systems anyway. A waste of time and resources to... what exactly? Stare at your phone for a few extra minutes a day? Work from home and every city having robust electric transit systems is what the future is supposed to be.
- I'm not a fan of self driving cars, but saying that people are able to drive cars is a stretch.
  
  In general I am opposed to machines being in direct control of weapons. I am also definitely of the opinion that there are lots of people who shouldn't be driving.
- Back when I still believed, I was excited because I wanted get in my car and take a 90-minute nap until I arrived at work.
  With public transportation, you can only be half-asleep or you'll miss your stop.
  
  I used to dream of watching a movie then falling asleep in bed while my car drove the 8 hours to my folks' house.
  But I'd want that beast to be bristling with sensors of every kind. None of this "cameras only" idiocy.
  Someday. Maybe.
  
  I have a 45 minute high speed train commute to a busy end-of-line station. I can sleep, read, work, or just stare out the window and think.
  Same commute is probably twice as long by car during rush hour.

Full Self-Destruct

self driving is the future, but im glad im not a beta tester.
- You're probably right about the future, but like damn, I wish they would slow their roll and use LiDAR
  
  Elon Musk decided they absolutely would not use lidar, years ago when lidar was expensive enough that a decision like that made economic sense to at least try making work. Nowadays lidar is a lot cheaper but for whatever reason Musk has drawn a line in the sand and refuses to back down on it.
  Unlike many people online these days I don't believe that Musk is some kind of sheer-luck bought-his-way-into-success grifter, he has been genuinely involved in many of the decisions that made his companies grow. But this is one of the downsides of that (Cybertruck is another). He's forced through ideas that turned out to be amazing, but he's also forced through ideas that sucked. He seems to be increasingly having trouble distinguishing them.

Yikes. Glad they're ok
- Ditto! They were about 1 foot from hitting the tree head on rather than glancing off, could have easily been fatal. Weirdly small axises of random chance that the world spins on
  
  I still don't understand what made it happen. I kept watching shadows and expecting it to happen earlier.

I fear the day I’m on the receiving end of a “glitch.” It’s ridiculous that anyone can think these are safe after how many of these videos I’ve seen.
- As a motorcyclist... Yeah.

There’s an obvious reason. It’s a fucking Tesla.

It was in stunt mode

you do get this wrong, its a flying car

But does it do it less often than humans?
- I'm gonna answer your question with a question, as I don't have your answer. When a human wrecks up it's their fault. Who's fault is it when something like this happens? Should ut still be the person in the driver's seat?
  
  No idea how that will turn out. Fully auto, but you have to maintain the vehicle and ensure it's road worthy as the owner.
- A good point, but I'm not sure that's where the bar is. How does it compare to other self-driving systems that have lidar, for instance?
  
  Depends on the issue at hand. To get these approved and widespread, better than humans may be the bar.
- I have done it zero times, and I am definitely a Human man.
  
  Can confirm, also a human and never caused a car crash

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