Cigarettes look so uncool, though. Hardly a step up from vapes and they fuckin stiiiinnnnk.

I would much rather be near someone vaping their blueberry muffin raztastic whatever than a lit cigarette

Don't laugh .... my wife has pulmonary fibrosis ... it's basically a mysterious inflammation of the lungs with your immune system running haywire. No one knows what causes it or what triggered it ... all we know is that it is happening. They suspect it was originally a virus of some kind (this all started about three / four years before the pandemic). There is no cure, there is no remedy, there is no healing, there is no recovery. It only grows worse with time, spreads through the lungs and drowns you to death as you run out of healthy lung to breathe.

Take care of your lungs everyone.

Nobody has gotten popcorn lung from vaping

Vaping is less carcinogenic than smoking by a significant degree but it is carcinogenic

Acrolein, a carcinogen, forms in small amounts from the breakdown of glycerin during heating

If a “dry hit” occurs the effect is worsened, acrolein forms in higher amounts, and formaldehyde (another carcinogen) can occur from the breakdown of both glycerin and propylene glycol

Vaping still leads to inflammation and oxidative stress in the lungs and long term use will almost certainly lead to irreversible damage

Harm reduction is important. Vaping is likely better than smoking but it is not yet clear whether that is the case. It is likely the case based on short term anecdotal data from people who have switched but this does not mean that long term use won’t create more severe lung issues over a period of 20-30 years. We don’t know.

In the meantime for further harm reduction to reduce risk you can vape with low temperatures as this mitigates much of the carcinogen risk, you can use reusable devices and frequently change coils and ensure the coil is saturated, and you can use a liquid that is free of flavorings as these present much of the “unknown” variables.

Or you can work to quit. It is challenging. I smoked and vaped, I know it is tremendously hard. But frankly these companies don’t deserve your money. They’re all fucking scumbags

We don't know for sure yet.

For example here is a study seemingly published by the department of subdomains and acronyms: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11773639/

RESULTS

We included 39 studies in the main analysis and 12 in the subgroup analysis. Of these, 2 were longitudinal observational studies, 9 were cross-sectional studies, 1 case report and 27 were cell/in vitro and animal studies. All human studies were conducted in adults, and about half of them had a low risk of bias. No significant incident or prevalent risk of lung cancer or other types of cancer was found in the never smoker current vapers population. However, there was substantial biomarker-based evidence of a significant association between e-cigarette exposure and oxidative stress, cellular apoptosis, DNA damage, genotoxicity, and tumor growth, particularly following acute exposure. We did not find any age or sex-based differences in cancer risk, and findings on race and education-based differences were insufficient.

CONCLUSIONS

There is substantial evidence that e-cigarette exposure is associated with biomarkers reflective of cancer disease risk. However, the overall evidence on cancer risk is still limited and should be further investigated by future research, particularly rigorously designed clinical trials and population-based research.

Either way, purposefully inhaling toxic chemicals is pretty stupid.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but personally, I've run out of fucks to give about the whole debate. I have an opinion, sure, but I don't want to throw it into the sewage pool that is the discussion in this comment section.

More research needs to be done, but all the evidence points to vaping being vastly safer than smoking. Of course, your lungs are meant to inhale air and nothing else, so neither is still the best option

FDA officials concluded that the health risks from Zyn pouches are likely lower than potential risks from using snus (low toxicant smokeless tobacco) and the FDA has already concluded that some snus brands are significantly less harmful than cigarettes.

I don't consume any nicotine myself, but it seems that letting people use nicotine in a way that is less harmful to their health is a good idea.

There have been specific statements made that express that you shouldn't use nicotine:

"There is no safe tobacco product," the agency said. "Youth should not use tobacco products and adults who do not use tobacco products should not start."

Oh come on, my guy. This is the perfect set-up. Do I need to make a sprog account just to follow you around and show you up?

"Stop smoking those!" the people said, as Timmy dragged away.

"You know those things'll kill you!" for the fourteenth time that day.

But Timmy's breaks were longer, since he took the habit on,

and now he was addicted, smoking cigs from dusk to dawn.

So, when a woman stopped and said "I know a better form,

you needn't even quit the stuff, nor need you fear the harm!"

poor Timmy went right down the street and filled his pockets full

of cartridges and flavored oils and other random bull.

He puffed away then on his vape, and brushed his fears aside,

But glycol soon accumulates, and Timmy fucking died.

Europe is a geological region where most countries share a lot of cultural ties with each other, including the smoking culture.

Are you seriously trying to argue that "europeans" isn't a valid characterization of a group of people with some common traits, you absolute muppet?

Second hand smoke isn't a biohazard? It literally causes cancer...

No, no... they're onto something.

It is, in fact, possible to quite smoking. I was a regular smoker for a decade. My fiancee asked me to quit, so I did. Haven't had a cigarette or vape since. That was over a decade ago.

Yes, it's difficult, and not everyone is able to quit as easily as I did. But don't pretend like it's impossible to quit.

Between 2000 and 2019 the number of cigarettes sold in France has halved.

Amen. Its also not just water vapor... If it was people Wouldn't vape. A lot of people have issues with the garbage they put in vapes.... But gigs are worse for me personally.

Except that you aren't required to use a flavor. I don't use any flavor for many years and the only thing that could anyone others would be the cloud.

I don't vape for fun, I vape for my nicotine addiction. The flavors made the switch easier but after the switch, I phased out the flavor. Now I don't smell like an ashtray but you can see me from a distance and I visualize where my bad breath smell from my lunch and my germs are in the air.

not in this aspect, they have better attitude towards smoking than most of the world

I had the same journey and now have been smoke/vape free for 2 years.

This is the right way to vape.
Should be used as a way to quit smoking.

People that vape as an alternative to smoking cigarettes end up chain vaping. It's just too convenient.

Almost certainly, but there are some caveats. Vitamin E was added to some around 2020 and that really fucked people up. The much higher nicotine percentage could also be doing damage we haven't had enough time to fully understand as well. There's also concern around the metal coils breaking down, especially when people 'dry hit' or use a coil after it's spent. That being said, normal vaping is almost certainly safer than smoking

I feel like vapers vape more on average than smokers smoke. This is purely anecdotal, but if its true, then that complicates things.

Had a wretched smoker's cough for years, took me an extra 10 minutes to cough it out and get out of bed. Stopped 2 weeks after going to vaping.

OTOH, 10 years later vaping became too much, now I do those nicotine pouches. Very happy with those.

Is there enough data to support that claim? Not really disagreeing, i genuinely don't know. There was a time where your doctor would tell you to smoke camels, because these are the healty cigarettes.