2d ago

It really is like this

I mean... I kinda get it, but nowadays it's starting to get absurd.

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Inside me are two wolves
One thinks Chinese tech is cool and innovative
The other hates fascist dictatorships
*both of the wolves are gay
- Those are really Based wolves. Can I borrow them?
- You may or may not think China is "authoritarian" but how on earth are they fascist?
  
  Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
  Far right? Hm, maybe not. Otherwise: Check, check, quasi-check, check, check, check, ...
  
  Tradition is big. E.g TCM crap over science
  You cannot disagree with the state
  Stokes fear and hatred of outsiders
  Blames social frustrations on those outsiders
  Appeals to restore past glory
  Han ethnic supremacy
  You could go through all of Eco’s points and apply them to China pretty fittingly.
  
  I think many might reference the Uyghur genocide + extreme authoritarianism to explain why they call China fascist. I personally, am not educated on the persecution of the Uyghur genocide part, so I'm not so sure.
  But China definitely has hints of nationalism and "former glory" or whatever when they start talking about Taiwan and the South China Sea. Sooo ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
  
  Not agreeing with your dictator makes it impossible to leave the country, keeps your bloodline out of good schools, and if your rhetoric is bad enough you just get abducted and dissappear.
  Social Credit Scores are dehumanizing and evil.
  Pretty fascist if you ask me.
- Uwu
- Accurate
- China isn’t fascist though? They are just a shitty authoritarian state.

Let's be honest: the only reason for this is the oppressive chinese government, dead stop
- I think part of it is being extra defensive considering our tankie neighbors... I don't have any issues with the people of China, the culture of China, etc, etc.
  I've always thought that everyone was on the same page about China's oppressive government, but now it feels like it needs to be said, as there are people actively arguing in its favor.

There really is no justification to simp for any country/government. They are all pretty terrible and genocidal.
- Nationalism, and especially jingoism, are very dangerous indeed.

these are the reasons I think this happens:
their numerous accusations of spyware
their government being fucked up (especially their censorship)
being known for making a lot of mass-produced garbage for cheap
the working conditions in those factories being horrible
regular racism (which may be caused by the above)
edit: reworked comment into bulleted list instead of run-on sentence
- their government being fucked up (especially their censorship)
  I would love to discuss this with anyone that's willing. If their government is as awful and fucked up as everyone says why does the average Chinese citizen generally have a better life than the average American in their respective societal totem pole (in cities specifically) ?
  They have far more purchasing power for food, rent. Their healthcare is affordable. While censorship is a thing towards certain topics, there certainly isn't a lack of discussion. They have far better public transit systems, far more parks, and public utilities, absolute ownership (no property tax).
  To me it seems we're continuously demonizing the lives of those we don't understand who are actually far better off than most of us in the states.
  
  I lived and worked outside Shanghai for a bit, but it was a while ago and probably has changed a good bit. What makes you think their lives are far better off than those in the states?
  Not necessarily disagreeing, but it absolutely was not the case 15 years ago. American life is on a downhill though, zero argument there.
  
  The entire country tried to revolt in 1984 and millions of citizens were killed by their own military. People who speak out lose access to most services and can't even sign up for online platforms.
  Right now China is experiencing a massive homelessness crisis because their assigned homes aren't in the places they live and work.

It's just another cold war, history books will discuss it as such.
- Exactly 👏👏

Ehh i dont like the obsession with one of the most racist and xenophobic countries today, even tho i know its not why they like japan.

I spend a lot of time here on Lemmy and gaming outside of my job and my sidejob and I haven't personally been exposed to these cases of Sinophobia. I know there are some people in my town that definitely are deeply Sinophobic but that's probably just a regular broad Xenophobia thats always been around. Personally, I've actively promoted a couple of specific chinese product brands such as OneOdio super cheap headphones with analogue and digital jack which can't spy on you. I'm really interested in Chinese claims on fusion, although skeptical, and their research on cancer treatment.
Now, Chinese Government Thing, on the other hand. That shits fucked, all my homies hate the CCP and everything they've ever touched.

https://lemmy.world/post/24869932

What? Don't you see people flocking to TikTok? RedNote? And now deepseek?

It do be like that with manga/manhua tbh. I still prefer Korean webcomics because I like my trash but... It's been ages since I read a decent Chinese webcomic or manhua. They are so fucking trash. I'm sure there are some good ones but... Yeah.
- Chinese studios on their way to create yet another Wuxia donghua
  
  That's the problem, I love wuxia, I love stupid power levels and all that, I love my trash comics. It's the story they tell alongside that that irks me to no end.
  Close to zero decent dialogue between people besides shitty villains talking big until the hero flips his eyelash and suddenly everyone is bowing to them. There's no interesting characters, no banter.
  To give some examples of wuxia done right (I like the top batch more but the other ones are alright):
  Return of the mount hua sect Infinite levelling: murim Return of the crazy demon Nano machine Absolute sword sense Star instructor or something
  I reincarnated as the crazed heir Path of the shaman
  Half wuxia: Murim login
  All of these have a mc with personality, there's decent banter between characters, there's an interesting plot, plot changes make sense...
  There's also the "dungeon" theme with portals that grew in popularity since solo levelling (around then) that is basically the same trash plot with another power level vector.

I used to wonder how Japanese media was so bad compared to their neighbours (storytelling wise) then I started watching Thai programmes and Japanese could definitely be worse
- Media is one of Japans major exports and allowed them to build major metropolitan areas even though the end of WWII left them broken and impoverished.
- Ever seen the Chinese localization of Tom and Jerry? They voice over everything and add a ton of sound effects so there's no confusion. Politics aside, who is exactly are they protecting by banning zombies and ghosts. Well, they can have zombies, but not too gory and they can't call them zombies.
  I like Thunderbolt Fantasy, so I should like Pili Fantasy(Taiwan), but it's way too much soap opera. Thunderbolt is a nice balance between something new and the pacing of a 12 episode anime.
  South Korean stuff bothers me. They haven't become disillusioned capitalism yet, so the subtext misses for me. I can't tell what the point of Tower of God is. The harem stuff they put out puts Japan to shame.
  
  South Korean stuff bothers me. They haven't become disillusioned capitalism yet
  What did you think of the episode of Squid game where everyone escapes the evil death games, and then realises that they actually like the evil death games better than normal capitalism?

Except on Antiques Roadshow follow-up episodes!
(Anything Chinese has gone up in price, Japanese not so.)

Probably because China has a reputation for lying about their products, using cheap components, ridiculous levels of censorship, and a poor record on silly things like human rights

china is an entire economy based on intellectual property thievery and human slavery. the ccp are evil, and dangerous to all of humanity. go try your bullshit someplace else.
- I'm sorry, "entire economy" based on "human slavery"? That's absurd. Yes the CCP abuses the fuck out of the Uighurs and it's awful, but this is insane hyperbole.
  The US also uses slavery, very literally, very out in the open and doesn't hide it to the point that the details are fuzzy and unclear.
  It does it both very directly via prison inmates being used for labour for peanuts against their will by corporations in agreement with corpos that run their prisons and in the less direct way where the fed and state governments don't do shit about/give subsidies to farmers that hoover up disenfranchised illegals to stack em and pack em in sheds so they can work their fields for fuck all.
  Both of those are such mainstream facts there's even a John Oliver episode about both topics from years ago.
  Would you say the "entire economy" of the US is based on "human slavery"?
  I doubt it.
  Not to mention you bring that up alongside "intellectual property thievery", are those two really of even similar magnitude? Surely "human slavery" is a bit more serious than downloading a picture of mickey mouse off Google images, nah?
  
  you really really are that unaware of the pay, living and working conditions of the average chinese factory worker. jfc.
- Intellectual property is bullshit
  
  Ah, so what is the incentive to develop complex things when anyone can just copy it?
- You're literally describing how US companies turn a profit.
- It's just a meme, fella. Chill out.
  
  I mean, the message of your meme is calling out people who have these biases. I am not surprised those people jumped to defend them.

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