7d ago

New "Calexit" bid for California secession approved for signature gathering in effort to put measure on ballot

www.cbsnews.com New "Calexit" bid for California secession approved for signature gathering in effort to put measure on ballot

A new bid to place a measure on the ballot that would ask California voters to approve the state's secession from the U.S. has been cleared for signature gathering.

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This was in that KGB plan to divide America, after dividing NATO. Also in the plan: dividing UK and Europe and then dividing Germany and France within Europe. And every single one of those is being worked on or has already worked. Do not fall for it
- Thank you! Finding out about Foundations of Geopolitics back in 2015 or so has been incredibly detrimental to my mental health. People roll their eyes when you bring it up and you just have to watch it slowly unfold exactly to their plan, year after year.
- Doesnt really matter who it also benefits. The fascist part of the US needs to be weakened as much as possible, you cant leave that much power in the hands of degenerates. Also, it sends a signal

How is this uplifting?!
- Because we you don't get our money unless our votes counts. We have put so much into the entire country and still get shit on from every other state.

Please don't, at least not without other states. Cali leaving would hand the Republicans even greater control of the House and screw over the other blue states.
- California leaving would absolutely start a chain reaction of other states.
  
  If California successfully left (trying that didn't work so well that one time), then I see Oregon and Washington joining. That bloc probably wouldn't spread further east, though. Too many red states in the way. Texas would probably also secede because honestly I think the only thing keeping them from doing so now is the precedent that it's not possible. New York would talk about it, but it wouldn't pass. Minnesota might talk to Canada about joining them, but they probably like their guns too much to actually go through with it.
  
  Yeah come with us!
  
  Aka a civil war
- Yeah, to me this seems like another variation of that movement that's constantly trying to get California to pass a bill to split it into multiple states. Which, wouldn't you know, just happens to favor the Republicans!
  
  Uh, does it? Last time I did that math the outcome was a 2:1 advantage for Dems
- Split California in half. Or thirds.
  Now it’s a few regular-sized states with more Senators

Please call the new country New California Republic
- Living under the second Trump administration almost makes you wish for nuclear winter.
- I already have the NCR flag up in my house.

Dividing the USA is not uplifting news. This is terrible for everyone.
- Yeah, much better to have as much power as possible in the hands of the fascists. The opposition needs to get out of there as long as they can (unfortunately I dont think they can though)
- Why that?

Yeah I'm getting pretty tired of my state contributing far more in federal taxes than any other state just to help bailout ignorant, oppressive, poor red states.
We've got the money, the tech, the military installations, and the agriculture. Let's do our own thing. Or better yet, bring the whole West Coast in on it.
- Northeast here, we would like to join you.
  
  Yeah, we certainly share a similar sentiment in Jersey. I'm not sure breaking America up solves more problems than it creates, though. Like many problems I encounter, personally and as part of some larger whole, I don't see solutions.

WA, OR, CA, MN, WI, IL, ME, MA, RI, CT, VT, NY, NJ, PA, MD, CO, NM, I would be okay with coming to Canada. The rest of yous? Idk.
- You DON'T want PA. They were one of the swing states that handed Trump the WH. They're also the fattest state in the Union
- Wisconsin is surprisingly red when you step out of Milwaukee and Madison and maybe Green Bay. And even then! Just remember those fuckers put Scott Walker in power.
  E: Forgot how to spell
- I'm a Minnesotan, currently at my kids hockey tournament. This is an acceptable scenario.
- I don’t live there so I’m maybe out of the loop here, but why not Michigan?
  
  Michigan went dipshit this latest election, but it’s a fixable state
- Don't forget DC. Everyone forgets DC.
  
  No, the US can keep DC.

Do NOT fall for this shit, they've tried it before. This makes america an easy red majority and that's the entire point of it. We're in this together and not going anywhere
- I think when you're on a ship being sailed suicidally into a storm, arguing they some passengers shouldn't jump into life boats to escape just because it will only leave the crazy people onboard and "we're in this together" isn't particularly compelling.
  Like, surely that's the point? That state finds it's people, their way of life and values to have diverged so far from the government and overall culture of the nation they're currently teamed up with, so they choose to end their union and become a free nation state again, as is their right.
  The alternative to this peaceful split into two countries that can now run themselves the way they want to, would be one side attempting to impose their way of life on the other, to the point of massive crushing oppression or eventual civil war to see which side will dominate and force the other to convert to their ways.
  Surely when we consider the options, peacefully going their separate ways when they're no longer compatible with each other's societies and values seems the best result, no?
- CA here. I’ve had two good friends permanently leave the US in the last few years because fuck this place. I’m not sure we care anymore out here what happens to “America,” especially compared to what we could become without being dragged down by it. If this country is really going to go insane and fascist, then it needs to be weakened to stop the damage, and subtracting California from it would do that faster than anything else possibly could.
  
  I and multiple others I know no longer use "American" unless it's explicitly prudent and never abroad anymore, it's "Californian"
  Everyone who hears this, even the conservative dipshits, love it
- The federal debt will balloon without blue states paying into the coffers, though? Quality of life will take a shit
- Part of America that doesn't want "red majority" can do the same.
- Do you go to family Thanksgiving even though it's full of shitty people you "love" but don't actually like? I sure as fuck don't. Choose your own family.

Terrible name. At least use Califexit if you don't want to go with the obvious Calyeet or Califorgetaboutitimoutofhere.
- I'm partial to CaliFuckThis.
  
  Supercalifuckthisshitandexileallemotions

If you never saw the 2024 movie Civil War, now is an excellent time.
- Somehow Texas and California were on the same side which made the whole movie unbelievable.
  
  I looked it up after the movie and it was done on purpose. The goal of the movie was to show how bad the glorification of this kind of photography and events can be. The creators of the movie thought it would have more impact and get the point across better if it was on US soil. Seeing a downed helicopter in a place you’d normally be shopping for instance. They made texas and california join together, because they didn’t want audiences bogged down trying to figure out who is blue, red, purple, right or wrong.
  
  Makes sense considering they were both Mexico.
  
  Texas is more blue than usually supposed, and California is more red than usually supposed.

I wonder what kind of performance bonus the republicans earn from putin if they can pressure the world's 5th largest economy to leave the US.

Okay... So I need to go be homeless in California before it splits, I reckon. Get a Cali ID. I am not, I repeat, absolutely fucking not, getting stuck in this shit hole with its new republican supermajority after all the blue states leave. I don't even like the democratic party, but I will be fucking fucked if I stay in the United Christofascist States of Trumperica
Thankfully, they'll never let anyone leave. Ever.
- If you're being serious, you can camp for free for one week at a time per site, in any of our state parks. If you have a car, that will make lodging a bit easier. Once you have been here for 6 months, you can get residency, and then apply for low income housing assistance.
  You can get on SNAP almost immediately though to help with food.

Please call it the Pacific States of America

It would be great if both the east and west coasts join Canada. Then there's a new leader of the western hemisphere to replace the US, better and more modern.
- Probably gotta swap Alberta here, but close enough:

As a New England resident: Canada, if you're listening, make us your new province.
- How do you feel about swearing allegiance to HM George, King of Canada?
  
  Not gonna lie; I always liked the British royal family (Though I liked The Queen better and Prince Harry even more). When I had cable, I kept William and Kate's wedding on my DVR multiple times (but as a fellow Katherine, I'm biased)
  
  I thought there was a sizeable anti-royalist contingent in Canada? Since any “reallocation” of states into provinces would likely imply some level of negotiation and horse trading, maybe this is also an opportunity for Canada to splitting off from the Commonwealth Nations, or at least no longer accepting the royal family as meaningful in any regard. Idk how that would work, that sound to me like it’d be workable.

It was not legal and unconstitutional when the CAS seceded, and it will be illegal and unconstitutional if California attempts to do the same.
- Wait till you hear what these thirteen cheeky colonies did back in the day.
  
  There is a world of difference between the American Revolution and the US Civil War. For starters, the colonists had help from France. Secondly, Britain quit because it was both expensive and tedious to wage war across the Atlantic Ocean, and they had an entire empire to police, and native populations to exploit and massacre; unruly colonists that weren't particularly profitable simply weren't worth the effort. In contrast, the CAS and Union armies were largely fighting without help from other countries, and there was no ocean separating them. The result was that the US Civil War directly resulted in the deaths of 2.5% of the US population at the time; if that happened now, that would be 8.5M direct deaths.
  The colonists won because Britain quit. The CAS lost to the Union decisively.
  If we repeated the civil war today, I would anticipate that it would be far, far bloodier than it was in the 1860s, because it wouldn't be rows of conscripts shooting at each other from point-blank range. It would be guerillas fighting on one side, and the other side bombing the shit out of cities and indiscriminately killing civilians.
- Why not just change the law? Seems to be an option whenever other people want to.
  
  You can absolutely do that, except that it would be amending the constitution, not changing the law. You might be able to get enough people and states to vote in favor of it, but I highly doubt it. Especially since California pays for a shitload of red states' existence. Republicans don't want CA to leave and take the CA money with it, they want CA to be forced to capitulate.
- Right, because laws can't ever be broken lmao
- California will rise again?

Never going to happen. Too many red welfare states leech off the money flowing out of California. We are propping up a ridiculous number of them. Not to mention the fact that architecture from CA puts a lot of food on the table for many stars West of the Mississippi.
Plus, it would set a very dangerous precedent for other states.
On the flip side, with California gone, the GOP would basically never lose the House, the Senate, and the Presidency again.
- On the flip side, with California gone, the GOP would basically never lose the House, the Senate, and the Presidency again.
  Oh buddy, I've got news.
  
  I should have said: it makes it a little more straightforward for that to happen in some ways.
- They can enjoy governing the red welfare states.

If we could figure how to make an east coast - west coast exit into a country that would be ideal.
- Just have it run up the coast, include Canada, then back down...
  
  The United Horseshoe of America.
  
  As a Canadian, I'd be OK with that. We'd have to vote for a Prime President or President Minister.

Are they gonna race Texas to see who does it first?

This is only path to escaping Israel first bipartisanship and media warmongering dictatorship. Neocon DNC agenda should never be the alternative you are forced to support.
Definitely if pig fuckers are not going to support national emergency funding, when CA has supported everyone else, they should be told to fuck off and keep their shithole country.

I’ve though about this since the Civil War movie came out. While I’d love for the blue states to leave together, wouldn’t that just put all the weapons of mass destruction in the hands of a new all red US country? That seems like a dangerous idea.
Another issue would be a case where the new red country goes to shit, and they decide they want to force the blue states back in and steal the land. We’d be locked in an infinite war worse than what Ukraine is facing.
- To truly work we would need to negotiate a split of the nukes, military, and other federal assets. The is no way this would happen peacefully.
  
  Yeah considering we park a big part of our navy in San Diego these days, and a big part of our SSBN/SSGN fleet up in Washington State, I don’t see the Feds letting those parts go easily.
  Think of it like Ukraine and how the Russian Navy used Sevastopol as a primary base long before the USSR broke up, and consider how all that’s going these days. It’d be the same thing here.

The stunlock proceeds as expected

The best solution for that country would be if all except New York and Florida leave.
- So I'm confused - the new country would be New York and Florida? Is that like a new version of the brits and Australia? I get the sentiment behind sending the crazies to a place where they can roam free... but I don't quite understand the New York part.
  
  The new dictator shall keep them, that's all.

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