Biden handing the future of global development and alignment to China on a silver platter. US thinks it should get to limit each nation’s cumulative computing power
I fucking hope they try this. It'll hand the future to RISCV and we'll finally see the end of x86
I don't get why people think this. They'll just ban RISCV or at least any productions of it from outside western aligned foundries. If national security claims aren't sufficient they'll claim that all Chinese foundries are staffed by child slaves and beaten monkeys and no one else and slap bans on their use anywhere in the west. What this all accomplishes is creating a bifurcated tech world.
As these lay out you'll have three types of countries:
It's all part of a larger coercive paradigm to build a tall fence around the western controlled yard and drag as many countries as they can to within that, isolate China and Russia and crank up the heat on trade war, embargo basic materials, cut off exchange of scientific knowledge and figure they come out on top. As it stands the US navy and NATO navy are much stronger than Russia and China's combined fleets, the Chinese in particular have entirely structured themselves around near defense of their coastal waters with very limited long-range capabilities which means the US can interdict off the coast of say Africa or South America to enforce blockades, to do piracy and hampers and harass Chinese and Russian development. Eventually the Russians and Chinese will have to respond but they're very hesitant to react and keep on flinching which is why the west is confident in continuing this strategy and in the near-term it certainly looks like it will bring the west benefits in terms of delaying the decline of their hegemony somewhat and in fact increasing the level of coercion. They believe the best time to strike is now while they still have dollar hegemony, while they still have SWIFT, while they still have the upper hand in many areas and they're not wrong. The only reason they aren't moving faster on this is they are beholden to not totally wrecking their own capitalist/corporate interests and need to give companies time to wind down and change supply chains which takes years. The west let's not forget has a stronger starting position and hand thanks to centuries of colonialism and plunder, thanks to a century of successfully waged cold war which they won, thanks to extensive experience and prep-work for stay-behind, for destabilization, for funding militants, for control of cyber-space from their commanding heights of control of the major internet companies which are all western based and control discourse and online life for much of the globe. (Also why they want to ban tiktok, they will not accept any cracks in their total dominance of the internet and the web)
The US may not succeed in pulling as many countries into their orbit and their tall fence small yard as they wish, then again they may. They ousted Assad after a decade, they've had their proxy crush Iranian influence in the middle east, they have many more color revolutions, islamist proxies, etc to throw in the fire. Nothing is certain other than that trade barriers are going up and the ability of those in the west to access tech not completely compromised by the NSA/eyes is decreasing rapidly as the boot comes down, as the progressive veneer drops, as companies drop even the pretense of caring about trans people, about LGBTQ rights, about racial justice, etc. They need to keep a lid on their own populations as well as maintain hegemony and turn up the pressure to isolate, cook, and destroy China/Russia or at least build their own independent kingdom and some outlying regions they subject to neo-colonialism to sustain capitalism in a different form.
Non-aligned just like the first cold war, nations that the US allows some sales to but puts restrictions on them, prevents re-export to countries under 2, and they can't get the very best stuff western because they haven't agreed to exclude Chinese/Russian tech and adopt western "clean network"
I'm going to be a GPU/CPU smuggler
Oh fuck the US is high on its own supply and genuinely believes this will work
They are panicked and desperate and still cannot show a single ounce of humility to save themselves lmao
I wonder if in a couple of years I'll be trying to discreetly import a Chinese made gpu (32gb vram, half the price of competing nvidia card) labeled as an air purifier or some shit
being immediatly visited by the feds because your chinese made gpu doesn't have a backdoor (for them) and the NSA Panopticon throws up an error
God I hate that this sounds like the most crank shit imaginable and yet it's still not
Years ago, there was some weird glitch on the NSA's software where it wouldn't work without one particular American-made GPU part, but they just kept it in without bothering to look at it, because the two manufacturers are already American anyways? But then it becomes a problem when China puts their hat in the ring, and there's so much spaghetti code they can't possibly find the source of the problem. Lathing it.
probably instead soon you're going to have GPUs that spend insane amounts of energy to make sure you're not looking at movies/tvshows/porn/non-christian youtubers without paying the specific extra subscription and old/blackmarket GPUs end up really expensive.
I'm relying on this website to tell me how to acquire said GPU when the time comes.
I'm hoping exporters put them in nvidia boxes so customs just lets it go through
interesting concept, but I really see myself buying something like an ARM or RISC-V based linux native minipc or netbook with a GPU capable of playing most pre-2020 games (on paper, the pre-requisite drivers/wine/emulators may not exist for another decade after the first wave of these devices).
I think currently you can buy something vaguely gameboy shaped preloaded with SNES and GBA stuff, so maybe a pre-loaded black market steamdeck isn't that far in the future.
Please China, use this opportunity to expand your market presence and export those homemade chips to the rest of the world.
I want to play La Witcherina IV and my computer needs an upgrade. I don’t want to sell a kidney just for an overpriced Nvidia GPU.
Now, seriously, it’s incredible how the Yankees keep shooting themselves in the foot.
It already has. Since the US banned Huawei it has just used the open source part of Android to develop it's own OS, which now is more popular than iOS within China and growing outside of China. It's funny to me that people are doubting it's going to take off this year and get the app diversity that Huawei wants for it. Keep doubting Chinese companies, westerners.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202406/1314272.shtml
https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20241111PD218/harmonyos-huawei-android-expansion.html
Chinese chips are already viable for daily consumer computing (admittedly this is a broad definition). It is important to remember that Moore's law applies to Chinese advancement in semiconductor development just as it did for everyone else with the added exception that much of this technology does not have to be independently developed for the Chinese. They already know how most of it is done because these advancements are part of the public scientific record. For them, it's a matter of developing the processes to scale for manufacturing. So within the next 5 years I firmly believe we will see Chinese developed chips that are on parity with AMD and Intel. China does not throw tens to hundreds of billions of dollars into the development of something without staggering results and that is what they have done with domestic chip R&D. Everyone is saying 10 years, but China has proven time and again to beat expectations at double the pace when they are pressured.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2024/05/31/chinas-massive-barrage-in-the-chip-battle/
even if this policy worked (and it won't) how much of an edge does the US even have in this area, two years tops?
How did we end up with the top leadership of the empire so drastically overestimating its current reach and abilities? At this point Trump has a more realistic grasp of global geopolitics.
Also this is basically the plot of the Three Body Problem except the Trisolarans could, y'know, actually do it.
I am thankful for the fact that our Chinese Comrades have shown great moral decency in the past and that as soon as our oppressive capitalist system is overthrown, we will immediately be able to mend our relationship and resume collaboration.
What possible justification is there for placing limits on the "rest of the world"? Besides racism and imperialism, I mean.
Actually, the whole map should be red to curb the computing power and prevent the planet in becoming a slow cooker
I am filled with a potent cocktail of disgust and glee at this display of suicidal arrogance from our ghoul overlords, knowing that control is slipping through their bony fingers.
What happened to sovereignty?? Possibly one of the stupidest and least enforceable policies ever made
Sovereignty is contingent on whether you exceed the amount of the computing power the United States wants you to have
Sovereignty is contingent on whether you exceed the amount of
the computingpower the United States wants you to have
I'm wondering what advantage, if any, does AI really give for a nation? All I've really seen is that it can make people in beauracratic jobs be a touch more productive, but these jobs are already bullshit to begin with and are not producing real value. All this is doing is reducing some of the costs so that companies can report a bit more profit for the quarter.
Then there's all the slop AI can produce which doesn't really mean anything for competitive advantage. And there's also "AI integration" in products that don't really need it. So yea unless some compelling use case for AI is discovered, I feel like it's another crypto.
MLMs are crazy useful in processing massive amounts of data for a bunch of scientific applications, and AI in general has uses in manufacturing and infrastructure, but the mass marketed LLM slop is not that and absolutely not necessary (or even particularly useful) for an individual.
US Capital doesn't want other world powers to perfect the ai-powered human face targeting auto-turrets before they do imo
Free market for thee, not for me
The vast majority of countries fall into the second tier of restrictions, which establishes maximum levels of computing power that can go to any one nation — equivalent to about 50,000 graphic processing units, or GPUs, from 2025 to 2027, the people said.
Bruh, this can't be real
USA fears the gamers of the world
I can only imagine SMIC is going to become extremely competitive in the next several years.
Give me 3 pay cycles and I'll buy 100 stocks of SMIC
Trump is just going to continue this lmao.
BRICS goes brrrrrrrr
JFC, it's not even Lucy and Charlie Brown anymore. It's only Charlie Brown trying to punt the ball and he still just pulls it away from himself for catastrophic failure
Lol, AI is shit to begin with. China will probably abandon it and produce some new incredible advancement while the west continues to dump everything into the AI pit and produce no returns. All while our entire economy is just scams from top to bottom.
LLMs are trash (for scientific purposes) but AI in general (which is a very very broad category and contains many useful types of software) has great potential for many technological advancements.
ai is quite good at identifying people to bomb i mean objects in camera in lower stakes environments like not driving afaik
produce no returns
Hey that isn’t true! Many of the most evil people imaginable are making billions by using spurious “””AI””” claims to pump up the valuations of worthless companies and products!
Machine learning that's put into use other than creating fugly drawings no one fucking asks for about is actually incredibly useful. But it's all very boring from a consumer viewpoint that boils down to "streamlining industrial processes." It's well within reach to have an algorithm designed to manage how much paper printers within a building use up and when to add more paper so there's as little downtime as possible, but most people don't have to worry about managing 100+ printers. I saw a short clip of some Chinese port using ML to streamline port operations. The algorithms are set to recognize what a shipping container is and where to load and unload the container. Since the containers are standardized, it's not hard to train the algorithms with past data.
Fair, but that doesn't exactly sound more efficient than a person changing data inputs in a proprietary software written for that purpose.
Bidens fat poops are for imperial citizens ONLY. Sorry China you gotta find the right gut microbiome and manufacture it yourself if you want in on the secret sauce.
military ai is literally training on image recognition, you can do it on 4 gb card, if you have the time.
Uh, I think you're leaving out all the human trafficking, drug trafficking, and SA. Not gonna be able replicate that so easily.
Yeah, so your ai can generate shitty images of anime waifus with fucked up hands,but can it ship hundreds of tons of opium out of SE Asia???
Eh, running vision algorithms on video data starts to put some more pressure on the memory
I meant you train stuff wherever and for rt you use fpga anyway, which china can make. Memory is nice to have, but persistent 3d (in time) tracking is still something eluding networks, cause they lose context, and having nutso 1000 layer deep transformer to take time in account is much more expensive than just doing cnn on 1-5 frame, and then doing stuff with classified images
they gonna take ur 4090s, gamers must unite
This will be good for bitcoin
Biden handing the future of global development and alignment to China
To me, based entirely on vibes and anecdotal evidence, seems to be the move of big capital. I've seen videos of rich kids learning mandarin years ago, Elong Ma desperately wants to keep the Tesla China market, stuff like that leads me to believe that that is the current plan and not a goof.
This is good news for Bitcoin
Portugal absolutely in shambles after being kicked out of the westoid club
Absolutely funny Hungary is included too, they're probably mad BYD is building a factory there
Portugal, Switzerland, Austria and Greece are tier 2? Lmao
Isn'trael
Interesting how French Guiana counts as a part of France and Greenland doesn't count as a part of Denmark, in spite of both basically having the same degree of dependence from their colonizers.
Also apparently being a founding member of NATO doesn't make you an ally of the US when you're Portugal or Iceland.
Also whoever made the map could just be an idiot
North Yemen being in Tier 2 lets goooooo Ansarallah supercomputers incoming
Limiting the entire global south is such a disgusting move what the fuck
Why is greenland tier 2 if its part of america?
*soon to be tier 1
Ukraine killed itself for the empire. This is how they are repaid. Does loyalty and submission mean nothing to the US? I don't understand. Isn't it leadership 101 to stand behind those loyal to you? The lack of honor and respect is making me surprisingly angry.
hekkin slava ukrani liberinosWhat happened with the balitc chihuahua ( Pomeranian?) countries?
Chain yard dogs aren't sitting at the masters table.
Baltic countries are usually not counted as Pomerania, it's historical lands on the southern shores of Baltic, roughly from Vistula Lagoon in the East to Lubeck in the west.
Always the same map.