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  • I fucking hope they try this. It'll hand the future to RISCV and we'll finally see the end of x86

    • I don't get why people think this. They'll just ban RISCV or at least any productions of it from outside western aligned foundries. If national security claims aren't sufficient they'll claim that all Chinese foundries are staffed by child slaves and beaten monkeys and no one else and slap bans on their use anywhere in the west. What this all accomplishes is creating a bifurcated tech world.

      As these lay out you'll have three types of countries:

      1. Imperial core loyal, can only use and allowed to use western tech, patents, chips, etc, restricted from sales to 2, 3
      2. Chinese/Russian core and their periphery of most loyal customers who choose to endure blistering western blockade on import of any western tech and other coercive measures against them and thus are able to use whether they like it or not only Chinese/Russian chips, brands, tech.
      3. Non-aligned just like the first cold war, nations that the US allows some sales to but puts restrictions on them, prevents re-export to countries under 2, and they can't get the very best stuff western because they haven't agreed to exclude Chinese/Russian tech and adopt western "clean network"

      It's all part of a larger coercive paradigm to build a tall fence around the western controlled yard and drag as many countries as they can to within that, isolate China and Russia and crank up the heat on trade war, embargo basic materials, cut off exchange of scientific knowledge and figure they come out on top. As it stands the US navy and NATO navy are much stronger than Russia and China's combined fleets, the Chinese in particular have entirely structured themselves around near defense of their coastal waters with very limited long-range capabilities which means the US can interdict off the coast of say Africa or South America to enforce blockades, to do piracy and hampers and harass Chinese and Russian development. Eventually the Russians and Chinese will have to respond but they're very hesitant to react and keep on flinching which is why the west is confident in continuing this strategy and in the near-term it certainly looks like it will bring the west benefits in terms of delaying the decline of their hegemony somewhat and in fact increasing the level of coercion. They believe the best time to strike is now while they still have dollar hegemony, while they still have SWIFT, while they still have the upper hand in many areas and they're not wrong. The only reason they aren't moving faster on this is they are beholden to not totally wrecking their own capitalist/corporate interests and need to give companies time to wind down and change supply chains which takes years. The west let's not forget has a stronger starting position and hand thanks to centuries of colonialism and plunder, thanks to a century of successfully waged cold war which they won, thanks to extensive experience and prep-work for stay-behind, for destabilization, for funding militants, for control of cyber-space from their commanding heights of control of the major internet companies which are all western based and control discourse and online life for much of the globe. (Also why they want to ban tiktok, they will not accept any cracks in their total dominance of the internet and the web)

      The US may not succeed in pulling as many countries into their orbit and their tall fence small yard as they wish, then again they may. They ousted Assad after a decade, they've had their proxy crush Iranian influence in the middle east, they have many more color revolutions, islamist proxies, etc to throw in the fire. Nothing is certain other than that trade barriers are going up and the ability of those in the west to access tech not completely compromised by the NSA/eyes is decreasing rapidly as the boot comes down, as the progressive veneer drops, as companies drop even the pretense of caring about trans people, about LGBTQ rights, about racial justice, etc. They need to keep a lid on their own populations as well as maintain hegemony and turn up the pressure to isolate, cook, and destroy China/Russia or at least build their own independent kingdom and some outlying regions they subject to neo-colonialism to sustain capitalism in a different form.

      • Non-aligned just like the first cold war, nations that the US allows some sales to but puts restrictions on them, prevents re-export to countries under 2, and they can't get the very best stuff western because they haven't agreed to exclude Chinese/Russian tech and adopt western "clean network"

        I'm going to be a GPU/CPU smuggler

  • Please China, use this opportunity to expand your market presence and export those homemade chips to the rest of the world.

    I want to play La Witcherina IV and my computer needs an upgrade. I don’t want to sell a kidney just for an overpriced Nvidia GPU.

    Now, seriously, it’s incredible how the Yankees keep shooting themselves in the foot.

    • It already has. Since the US banned Huawei it has just used the open source part of Android to develop it's own OS, which now is more popular than iOS within China and growing outside of China. It's funny to me that people are doubting it's going to take off this year and get the app diversity that Huawei wants for it. Keep doubting Chinese companies, westerners.

      https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202406/1314272.shtml

      https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20241111PD218/harmonyos-huawei-android-expansion.html

      Chinese chips are already viable for daily consumer computing (admittedly this is a broad definition). It is important to remember that Moore's law applies to Chinese advancement in semiconductor development just as it did for everyone else with the added exception that much of this technology does not have to be independently developed for the Chinese. They already know how most of it is done because these advancements are part of the public scientific record. For them, it's a matter of developing the processes to scale for manufacturing. So within the next 5 years I firmly believe we will see Chinese developed chips that are on parity with AMD and Intel. China does not throw tens to hundreds of billions of dollars into the development of something without staggering results and that is what they have done with domestic chip R&D. Everyone is saying 10 years, but China has proven time and again to beat expectations at double the pace when they are pressured.

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2024/05/31/chinas-massive-barrage-in-the-chip-battle/

  • How did we end up with the top leadership of the empire so drastically overestimating its current reach and abilities? At this point Trump has a more realistic grasp of global geopolitics.

    Also this is basically the plot of the Three Body Problem except the Trisolarans could, y'know, actually do it.

  • I am filled with a potent cocktail of disgust and glee at this display of suicidal arrogance from our ghoul overlords, knowing that control is slipping through their bony fingers.

  • The vast majority of countries fall into the second tier of restrictions, which establishes maximum levels of computing power that can go to any one nation — equivalent to about 50,000 graphic processing units, or GPUs, from 2025 to 2027, the people said.

    Bruh, this can't be real

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