Avatar is about capitalism

Factorio.

The factory must grow.

The factory must grow

I feel so bad cutting trees and draining lakes 😔

That’s just Evil, if we build an industrial park there where will the slaves forced labor work bit*hes

*Due to recent very public events our Public relations officer has been sent on leave with pay instead Nataly will complete this statement.

That’s just Evil, if we build an industrial park there where will the (Checks Notes) Employees park there cars?

Like, to absolutely everyone? This ranks up there with "breathing is good."

There's someone arguing otherwise in this very thread

Thx. Thought I missed something

Well it's literally Pocahontas in space so more obvious comparison is to the colonialism. They could grow gardens and farms while destroying the natives, the movie would have been the same.

Fucking Tarzan was fighting evil white exploiters of pristine Africa in books back in the early 1900s.

A good white saviour from the evil white people, because the indigenous can't do it for themselves. Just like in Ferngully and Avatar.

One time I unmatched someone from a dating app because the second avatar movie was coming out and they said that it was weird of me to say that the alien people were supposed to represent Native Americans because "they're just blue aliens why would you compare them to real life?"

Apparently media literacy makes you a weirdo?

The issue is that you're changing the ecosystems and environments so much that all those eons of evolution are simply lost. The only other times this happens is during natural catastrophes. Sure, in the long run this allows new life forms to take the old ones places, but it's still a massive loss of diversity and evolutionary knowledge - and unnecessary suffering for millions of living beings.

When species compete for a habitat, they rarely destroy it - and those species that do either don't survive for long, or they wipe out large swaths. We're actively killing almost anything in our habitats, and destroying them for almost all previous species.

The idea that nature is precious and must be preserved is human-centric.

Trees caused an extinction event when they appeared by absorbing all the carbon dioxyde and radically changing the atmosphere. But we feel bad when we're the ones doing it

Wait until you learn about its subtle ecological message!

Paved paradise, put up a parking lot.

It's true, but when I play games like Terraria, I try to preserve beautiful features of the map and even incorporate them into my builds. Like those surface cave things where it's basically floating dirt/rock with grass and trees growing on them. I often make those into the entrances of underground homes. Same with the deserts. When you get the actuators, you can make sand entrances. I also enjoy making houses in the leaves of the living trees.

The take on immortality in Avatar 2 is really interesting, because both sides get to have it.

That's what I was wondering. Capitalists didn't invent exploitation of nature, it just so happened that its worldwide adoption coincided with unprecedented technological advances. There's quite a few examples of historical societies that exploited nature as much as they could and suffered for it.

It's a motif as old as time. Foreign invader getting Stockholm Syndrome with the natives. Another famous example is Dances With Wolves. That film called The Great Wall as well. Some versions of Robin Hood has it. Anthropologists call it Going Native, which is what Carlos Castañeda did.

But they're not all about economic expansionism

The resource being extracted on the avatar planet was unobtanium.

It was only available on that planet, precisely so intelligent people like you can’t say “why not mine barren rocks instead”?

There could be many reasons:

• The thing you are mining is actually very rare, and although it could be elsewhere, it's the only place you found it. This is the case in Avatar. The Unobtanium they are mining is not found anywhere else.
• It's easier to mine on a habitable planet. You don't have all the extreme difficulty of operating in space or a planet/moon with no atmosphere. In Avatar workers can freely operate without any special equipment, using just a gas mask, and don't need to be astronauts.
• You are assuming they found Pandora to mine on it. They probably found it through scientific research, and the mining angle only appeared later when the resource was found.

Another important detail is that in Avatar they don't have any faster than light tech. Pandora is in the Alpha Centauri system, the closest star to the Sun, and it takes years to get there anyway. Sure, there might be lots of better places to choose, but it's literally the only habitable body in reachable distance from Earth unless you want to spend decades flying in one direction.

Tbf, the air on Pandora is toxic to humans. That was the entire point of using the avatars in the first movie... Wouldn't exactly call that suitable for sustaining the life of our species

And that material they found in the planet was some fictional things humans had never encountered before.

I think there's a tendency to see inter- (and intra-)stellar travel through the lens of the inter-continental expedition and colonialism. It... kinda makes sense... superficially, there's some similarities; a voyage in a vessel, going to uncharted places, kicking off a new era of settlement and extraction. For this reason, movies and games really like the comparison, cus it makes for an easy narrative the audience is already familiar with.

In reality, though, nothing about space bares any similarity to anything in our past. Everything about the expeditions to, the colonizing of, and the industrial development and extraction of the Americas? All that was couched within the biosphere, contingent on it. Movies and media and junk get to ignore that because they exist to tell a story. So what if SciFi du jour doesn't actually make sense? Doesn't harm anyone, right? Except...

...except Musk and his fanclub really like describing Mars as the next colonial outpost. They'll tell you it's only a few short decades away! And I think that's cus they don't see where the metaphor falls short. To them, colonizing Mars is just the next thing that will happen in the narrative of history. After all, it's happened once - so it must happen again right???? They don't see the sheer wall of work and resources and work and decades (probably centuries, realistically) that would have to go into it. They don't think about anything more than a superficial picture on a screen. People needed boats to cross the Atlantic, we'll need rocketships. Now that they've got rocket ships, thats most of the work done. Afterall, in movies, you just need to get there. Then the plot can advance.

I've found peace recently thinking about our blue planet. We may cause chaos for a bit, but in the grand scheme, it'll be fine. The rivers will run, the oceans will be blue, plants and animals will eventually, over tens of thousands of years and longer will be fine.

Humanity is fucked, we destroyed our chances because we as a society could never get over our greed, but the problems we cause will be temporary. Over time the planet itself will heal. We just won't be here for it.

That being said, it's why I'm choosing not to have kids.

Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism.

There’s a lovely coast and trillions to be made.

I dont get it either. This is not about capitalism, this is about human nature of mindless expansion and exploitation...

That's right. For example, Australian communists lived in balance with nature for 60,000 years. Then capitalists came and started breaking stuff.