"it's making me uncomfortable"

Trump was already facing multiple criminal and civil suits in 2016. They had 8+ years to hold him accountable for even a single thing, and didn't.
- Yeah this is an important point. If the system lets guys like Trump get away with obvious crimes for 8 years, and that's when it's working as intended, then the system needs to be dismantled. Maybe the only way to drain the swamp is to let it turn into a sinkhole that drags everything down with it. Not that we have much choice in the matter at this point.
- I could go for kicking Merrick Garland in the dick. Might make me feel just a little better.
- He cheated before the 2016 election by committing dozens of felonies, and we were unable to sentence him before the 2024 election. Sad.
Florida man.
- That show on HBO is fucking wild

“No one in their right mind is backing 2025…”

Then why did YOU?!

"It's just a joke"
- I'd like to start a new response of "I don't care if you're joking, you're still an asshole".
- Ahh yes the joke that they posted a several hundred page memo about and had been celebrating up until the point they realized it had gotten spread and they were getting criticized for it.
- Proverbs 26:18-20
- “You really want to take that chance?”
- Is the punchline "we're all fucked"?

"He's probably just joking" is something I heard so much over the past few years about things the right has been spewing. THEY ARE NOT JOKING, THEY ARE NEVER JOKING! I don't know how this is a hard thing to understand.

Also, if they are lying about these things, why did they vote for a liar? A lot of people who called agenda 2025 fake or lies still voted for the party representing it.
Trump says 'I don't kid' after aides argue he was joking about slowing coronavirus testing.
- he was joking about that you too, of course
Also, why the fuck is it cool for a politician to joke about doing shit? Literally any joke is not cool.
Fuck, my neighbor says the same every time Trump says something awful. "Trump just talks a lot of shit, he's just joking."
Fuck you neighbor, you approved leadership from the guy who encouraged putting kids in cages.
- I'm sorry I thought we were having an election for president, not jester.
- Putting kids in cages to sell them.into child sex trafficking because trump and his cronies ARE THE PEDOPHILES THAT MAGA IS LOOKING FOR
How can someone who is completely devoid of humor be joking?
They lie all the time.
we just don't get to know when it's happening. People that trust those guys go with a "this is too horrible, so they must be lying" heuristic, that has been proven not to work several times. The problem is that an heuristic is not supposed to be reliable, and it's hard to make them see beyond the noise.
For people who apparently joke so much they sure as shit ain't funny

I used to have a boss who like to joke about firing people on his team. He was a nice guy and there was no ill intention behind the jokes, but we eventually had to sit him down and tell him that he couldn't joke about that stuff because it causes a great deal of stress to people given his position.

Another example is bomb jokes in airports. Aside from just being in poor taste, that's something that will get you arrested and probably put on a no-fly list for life because it's an extremely serious matter with no exceptions.

So, even if Trump and his people are just joking about these horrible things, it's completely unacceptable when it's entirely believable they would do this stuff and would be in a position to make it happen.

TLDR: There are just some things you don't fucking joke about.

I joke about firing people sometimes, but I am not a manager and never want to be managing anyone. I only say it to people who know that I have no power over them which is the only time this joke is OK.
- I do IT at a semiconductor foundry, and only us and managers walk around with laptops. I don't even have to say anything, and people get in panic mode and scramble to look like they are working until I say don't worry, I'm just IT. I won't say a word.
I remember a story of a young manager joking about firing people. The older manager pulled him to the side and told him you can't do that because that can hit people.
Sounds like you hate free speech! You would really imprison others for a difference of opinion??!
---any random trumpfuck
Every single time any of them say anything atrocious, it gets dismissed by the people who realize how bad it is as a joke.
Every single time.
The difference is that people who joke about bombs in airports typically don't actually think bombs in airports are a good idea.
- Yeah they're not like floating the idea. Or testing out the reaction to bombing the airport

"I don't like it when you show me what I'm supporting"

Hold MAGA accountable. Every. Single. Day.
- I agree, but also leave them a path to change their mind. If they admit fault, stop pressuring them. If you continue to hound them after they admit the mistake, it's likely only going to make them double down. Revenge, or whatever, doesn't help anything. We want them to recognize it was a bad decision and change their behavior in the future.

They've lied so much and gaslit so much that people don't know what to believe anymore.

And with all the AI and Russian troll farm bullshit being posted on social media, it's just poisoning the truth. It's time to ditch Twitter, Facebook and company.

I keep telling my folks that and that they'll end up being influenced and manipulated but they refuse because of how convenient it is. And I almost have to keep it because that's the only way they communicate right now.

Have you seen the video of Led By Donkeys, that's still online on the Shitter? Shows the timeline of how Elmo & Thiel won the US elections in a TikTok format. I think Elmo will not take it down now that all masks have been took of. He wants his peasants to fear him.

Conservatives: I like [insert obnoxious conservative figurehead] because they tell it like it is, they mean what they say

Also conservatives, sometimes in the same breath: Fake! [obnoxious conservative figurehead] didn't mean that! Taken out of context! 'Tis but a jape!

Jesus fuck the reality distortion field is strong, it's like doublethink but without being a clever social trick to survive, it's just they're that stupid.

I ‘member when the reality distortion field was just a Steve Jobs and Apple thing.
We were such sweet innocent summer children.

Stupid fascist fucks.

Ich habe es nicht gewust
- Oh this.... So much of this.
  This is like the UK voting for brexit only to start searching "what will brexit do for me" the day AFTER the vote...
  It sucks sonbad that dictatorships don't work, because democracy with stupid people doesn't work either and most people are just. So. Stupid...
- Let me be a grammar Nazi. It's "gewusst". But spot on, yes.
  For non-german speakers: "I didn't knew of this". In a reference to Nazi germany when Hitler and the NSDAP publicised a lot of their plans inb4. Just like HF with P2025.

bullies always start out "joking"

Just a Joke: Where Alt-Right Guys Get Their Start | The Nib (comic)

Worried about making white people uncomfortable is how we got here in this first place.

Wow, next you're going to say Orange lives don't matter.
Jokes aside, agreed, tolerating intolerance has little difference from supporting intolerance.

I listened to many interviews with people convinced that Trump wouldn't do the things he said he would do. They definitely won't acknowledge the things he said he won't do.

To be fair, I'm hoping Trump won't do a lot of the things that he said he'd do. I have some hope of that--not because his intentions are good, but on the chance he gets distracted with something less harmful that strokes his ego.
- Trump is not the one to worry about now. His entire cabinet and the cavities within every institution who wrote and sponsored and want project 2025 are the ones to worry about. They will be carrying out their edict that they've successfully worked on for at least a decade now if not more. They have everything they could ever want to do it. And Trump will do random crazy things because he can now and that's who he is but he doesn't care about 2025, he just cares about celebrity, money and power. And every crazy thing he makes headlines for will be when the power grabs really happen and when the damage is done.
- LOL. They yesterday posted an announcement from him on X where he states verbatim all the first steps of Project2025 (prosecution of political opponents, complete replacement of governmental employees, dismantling of gov agencies). It's 1984 big brother stuff. Trump isn't in charge.
"He lies about so many things! How the hell was I supposed to know he actually meant it this time?"

I'm pretty tired.
I think I'll go home now.
- And that's all there is to say about that.

This is why America deserves everything it voted for this time around.

A lot of people are going to suffer who didn't vote for him. This is as callous as the fascists.
- And yet here we are.
- Sure and that's a sacrifice that America voted for and also literally didn't even bother voting against.
  After nearly half a decade of disappointment, I this it's high time Americans felt the pain of their actions.
The people who voted for evil do.
The people who failed to vote against evil do, but less.
The people who voted against evil? No fuckin chance.
"America" is too wide a brush, but I get talking that way.
- I guess the issue is that, assuming a turnout of 60% for simplicity, the undeserving third category you mention only makes up roughly 30% of eligible voters. Which means 70% of eligible voters are deserving of what's coming to them (according to you). I acknowledge that throwing the whole country into the same bucket is not a fair and helpful simplification, but it's becoming increasingly harder to resist the urge.
- Pour one out for all the people drilled into being ultra-gullible when it comes to Fox&Co-Conspirators and completely immunised to viewpoints that contradict the propaganda machine. Would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
- Have a civil war then
Conservative / fascist leaders deserve it, the rest of us do not. The kids who were too young to vote, the leftists who fight against fascism, and the workers who don't have the time to follow politics do not deserve any of what is to come.
- Young voters voted for Trump. Tons of kids support him: https://www.axios.com/2024/11/07/young-men-voters-trump-2024-exit-polls
  Unionized workers had grassroots support for Trump: https://www.axios.com/2024/09/18/teamsters-endorsement-harris-trump-2024
  Staunch democrats sat out, or protest voted: https://www.axios.com/local/detroit/2024/11/07/why-biden-outperformed-harris-throughout-metro-detroit
  Ignorantia juris non excusat. Ignorance of the law excuses not.
  America is objectively, measurably, ignorant, trapped in bubbles, and we collectively did little to lift each other out. We are going to face justice for it.
- You had me until that last group.
  If you opt out of participating, you deserve whatever happens without you.
  We're in this mess arguably because of all the people who chose not to participate.
I deserve whatever. But my kids don't.
- Then get them out of America
Yeah, except only a minority of the population voted for this. It'd be great if only they bore the fruits of their stupid labors.
Not everyone voted for Trump, but even so, people don't deserve pain just because they're bad.
Stop this puritanical bs.
- Nazis deserve no quarter. Learn some history, you're edging pretty close to Nazi apologia.
- No, but it is a democracy and so just how the racists had to put up with Biden, now everyone else has to put up with The Racist.

The time for being reasonable and trying to convince willfully ignorant fucks is long past. You tell them they are a fucking fool. You block them on all communication channels. You never talk to them again. Trying to reason with an idiot is a waste of time. If anything you feed their thought process they are right by debating. They should all be ignored. They should all be cut off from their loved ones and friends.

Shut them down, but leave them a route out.
It's a cult, one of the goals is to trap people within them. The worst thing we can do is shove people back into that box, once they try and escape. It might be satisfying, but it's also extremely counterproductive.
If America wants to actually win, you either need to outlive, or deconvert the members. The first will take generations, I presume you don't want to have to wait that long?
Cults do that from the inside to stay strong.
As much as I want to agree with you, I don't find this to be the best way. There are people who are going to be lost causes, but we owe it to ourselves and the people we care about to try getting them back to reason. We all do dumb shit all our lives, we can't give up on people there's too much hate already.
There are some Trump supporters in my family and I was able to get through to one of my uncles. He used to be chill, smoke, and be in a jam band. No idea how someone so laid back can all the sudden have a whole room full of Trump memorabilia and repeating such hateful rhetoric.
It was so damn hard. Talked for hours, had to keep repeating things like 'please, I love you, why would I lie to you'. I had to open up more than I ever had to anyone. He tried leave and ignore me sometimes, but I really put myself in it. I really listened to him and why he went so hard into Trump. Argued about policies and everything under the sun. But I feel like I got my uncle back now, like REALLY got him back. It hasn't felt like this since before COVID.
I know this is probably cheesy but Under Pressure by Queen and David Bowie is what got me to start reaching out and I'm going to keep trying with others in my life

This is America.

Don't catch you slippin' now

The Narcissist's Prayer

That didn't happen.

And if it did, it wasn't that bad.

And if it was, that's not a big deal.

And if it is, that's not my fault.

And if it was, I didn't mean it.

And if I did, you deserved it.

Like the citizens of Weimar (near concentration camp Buchenwald) said in april 1945: wir haben es nicht gewusst

They sure seem to like the Arbeit macht frei signs too, rolling back child labor laws for more “freedom”
- Well they've been clear that they want to fight cultural marxism and the fight against child labor was his biggest accomplishment

I have southeast Asian war refugee family members. They have this idea that Reagan was a great guy because they got refugee status to come to the US back then. They vote straight Republican to this day. They don't know the first thing about any candidate or policy or even the basic layout of the US government. Only concern is taxes and anything that seems to equal "more money in my pocket" and "stay away from the black people." Whenever they see refugee crisis in the news, they tear up because they're triggered by their own horrible suffering. They feel so bad for the refugees.........😑

The problem is that he was likely joking. It’s a shitty joke on our end but Walsh is deliberately using people’s panic to make fun of the media and the left in general.

The point of the joke was to trigger alarms and make people write dumb articles about it. Then he can point and laugh about how his joke triggered you and also turn accusations about Project 2025 into a hyperbole that the left uses. From then on the phrase will be easily ignored by moderates as an overreaction from the left. Because in this case it is an overreaction, he’s clearly trying to scare people.

Just keep in mind that this is a common tactic they employ to take the sting out of certain terms and to keep their base unaware of the BS. It’s why the left can’t rally around phrases like the right can.

I don’t disagree with your analysis of what he’s doing, but I don’t think he’s joking in the sense that he doesn’t mean it. He’s “joking” in the “haha just kidding… unless? 👀” sense.
They can rally around them, but they're too busy in-fighting.
- Shut the fuck up, you take that back right now bitch.
It's a "joke" in the way conservatives always use that excuse for plausible deniability when they say something bigoted.

The velocity of those goalposts is astounding.

Goalpost Railgun

How delusional. They’re gonna try to pass all of it.

Didn't the Heritage Foundation write Trump's playbook last term with like 60 some odd percent being put into effect?
- Yes.
  Anyone who thinks it’s going to be different is an idiot.
- The Heritage Foundation also wrote something like 80% of the policies that were passed under Reagan. I wish journalists would talk about that more. Think tanks for the 1% shouldn't be writing our laws
There is no "try" for authoritarians. Most of it probably won't even need to "pass" anything, and if it does, it'll be rubber stamps

We know most of them are stupid.

They are. But it's also beyond that. It's cult shit. That's why they even have some smart people. Cause they're in a cult. Even when they know it's bullshit, they feel it's their job to defend it
- The smart ones exploit it.

That goes against what I believe so I will reject it.

I also argued with someone who said the information was a badly organized protest and said I was overreacting lol

I hate Matt Walsh and his stupid face.

'Seems like there will be a lot of well-fed leopards in the near future.

Republicans consider a "joke" to mean what they retroactively designate something that they meant in earnest as soon as they get pushback.

It reminds me of this clip. I love his reaction
https://youtube.com/shorts/8fZhTh-o4Tk?si=RztNj2pl9Wvbk3KE

The majority of the electorate is mentally defective degenerates.

RumbaGPT, how will this play out?

He's probably just joking and if he's not, it's not so bad and if it is that bad it won't affect you and it if will you deserve it

Yeah that scans

Its only prank bro

Isn't matt walsh an entertainer? What does he really know?

The dude has no education beyond high school. The dude literally knows nothing but talks plenty.
trading hatred for $
I'm glad you asked, because this is what puzzles me, too

I’m waiting for his followers to feel like he’s moving too fast or too slow on project 2025. Maybe they’ll question if he’s the puppet or puppet master