Anon lives in the midwest

That's not weird. That's how functional societies reconcile when they aren't subjected to endless propaganda and fear mongering.
- I mean, it is weird in the sense that it is unusual. But that doesn't make it bad, in fact it should become more normal.
  
  I'd go so far as to say it's bad that it is unusual
  
  Yeah, I wouldn't say history shows humans usually treat outsiders really nicely but I agree this should be an example we strive for.
- i came to say this. being friends is healthy and normal.
  
  I'm just so fuckin burnt out on xenophobia and i feel like that shit got pushed on me a lot growing up.
  
  Making friends? In this economy!?/s
- No what’s ‘weird’ is so many not understanding that ‘weird’ isn’t automatically negative. or maybe more disturbing that so many automatically go there at first instinct.
  
  “Surprising” or “unexpected” are probably a better words due to connotations and all.

They got the good ending
- I still don't think the natives got the good deal here
  
  Who's to say?
  I was going to joke about an Amish casino, but then I remembered the move Kingpin
  
  True. Ideally the Amish would have a “immigrated”, assimilated, and become another tribe in the area hundreds of years ago. However, this is still a better outcome than the tribes still litigating treaties signed hundreds of years ago, like in Oklahoma.

Migration leading to mixed cultures instead of genocide and colonization. Americans: "This is so weird!"
- “In this here melting pot, we burn away all our differences until we’re left with only the pure white flame of Christian nationalism.”
  I had to put the statement in quotes because while being hyperbole, it’s not too far from how some people think, and I don’t want to be confused with those folks.
- Are you implying Americans started colonization, or...?
  
  It's the result of colonization.
  
  They're implying that the US was founded on migration which led to genocide and colonization.

That actually sounds awesome
- The true American dream
- I want to see a picture. In mind, it looks pretty dope.

Need photos this sounds adorable
- This post has been up an hour and we have no fucking information this is unacceptable.

I don't think jewelry wearing is compatible with the Amish conception of propriety and modesty but I'm not going to say it wouldn't happen.
- My grandpa rents some of his fields out to an amish guy who also rents a lot of other fields in the area. The amish in our area are known to be pretty loose with their rules so my grandpa wasn't surprised when the guy showed up with combine harvester but he was kind of surprised with how new it was. My grandpa asked him how he could drive a combine when they weren't allowed to drive cars. To which the amish guy responded, "Well, I don't actually drive the combine; it drives itself. I just sit in it."
  
  Sounds like the Amish would be ok with a robotic vacuum as long as it charged itself from a solar panel.
  
  Jewish people on Sabbat vibes.
  
  Nice ha ha
  
  Most based Amish dude I've ever heard about.
- Good for them. Culture should evolve.
- The "rules" the Amish live by are determined by the Elders of that group. They can be quite strict or fairly loose. And can vary by a fair bit from colony to colony even as neighbors. Cell phones can be fine for one group and be forbidden for the next.
  Like some much in life, the rules are open to interpretation.
  
  I saw some Amish or similar community teens freaking out in a Sheetz over the touch screens. They were having so much fun.
  
  On top of that, many people will see a Mennonite and think "Amish."
  
  Right I get that, but the underlying value that the prohibitions are designed around is promoting humility and preventing vanity.
- Maybe it depends on the branch of Amish. I’ve heard the ones in the Midwest are a little more relaxed than the ones in Pennsylvania.
  
  Everyone's just making shit up based on their feelings anyway, let them do as they ~~wilt~~ will.
  
  The Amish around where I live (Midwest) run a bunch of great little stores (which is most of the contact I have with them personally, but my partners mom has friends in their community who come to visit now and then.) The stores all take credit cards and have refrigerators for the cheeses/dairy, and many of them do use machinery for farm work. Some even use cell phones.
  I haven’t noticed any jewelry (haven’t paid attention), but they really do seem to pick and choose which portions to adhere strongly to.
- Really depends on the community, some have cars.
  
  Also worth noting often if you see what looks like Amish folks driving a car, especially if its for personal errands they're often not Amish but Mennonite.
  I very consistently manage to shop at the same time as one Mennonite family, so I'll see them getting groceries then load up their car and drive home

That's not weird, that's how things should be. Working together.
- agreed. technically, both are native.
  
  Well no, the Amish were settlers too. They're just working with the Indians instead of in spite of the Indians.

anon discovers cultural exchange

- My native american father in law prefers to call himself an Indian.
  From his point of view he wouldn't call himself a "native american" because he belongs to an actual nation and indigenous people aren't a homogenous group.
  He prefers Indian because it makes white people look bad. Incredibly based
  
  He prefers Indian because it makes white people look bad.
  I know nothing else about him, but I like him already.
  
  A sentiment I've heard a bunch is "oh, so you called us Indians and now you're uncomfortable with that label? Well fuck you, you don't get to keep unilaterally changing what's acceptable. If thinking about colonialism makes you uncomfortable, then great! Start sitting with that discomfort and recognising the crumb of self determination that we express by identifying as Indians. You gave us that label, and it's ours now."
  
  Me, Native American (heh): Indigenous to where? lmfao
  Indigenous [Continent/general area here] would be the closest all-round. Indigenous North American just too many syllables though. Trying to fucking get away from the fucking whirlwind of every 10 years Anishinaabe, Algonquin, Ojibwe, Chippewa, Native American, Indian, Injun shit please. The fewer syllables the better, and nothing people already have please. And no stupid fucking people first word semantics dumb shit when you're literally using the same words but it's better in THIS order not the other...
  I swear people just pick the worst words to describe people sometimes when going down the slippery slope for PC language. It's all so arbitrary lol.
  People first language literally creates more in-groups and out-groups who have to jump literal semantic hoops, usually just to make the in group feel a little better labeling someone because people turn a blind eye to racists.
  I have rarely, and I mean very, very rarely seen new language originate from minority or out-groups being used by their own people first then co-opted by the in-group. There's some random language here and there, but anything race/ethnicity related, it's almost always the in-group getting too racist to call people by what they used for the out-group before, and they have to start calling them something else or fear being branded a racist... Rather than, you know, ostracizing people for being fucking racist.
  Maybe I'm just too mixed or too ND to care, but for the same reason why if you get the pronunciation of my name close enough and know you're referring to me.
  TBH, I wish Injun made a comebock.
  I like Namen/Nnamen. (Native North American, human, man, woman, his noodly appendage) too. No, I don't care if you say Nay-men or Nah-men.
  You're wrong if you pronounce GIF as JIF though.
  
  I know right? Especially Latvians and the Swedish.
- 'Indian' is still pretty widespread in the US
  
  Only generationally, as one might expect
- Indian isn't offensive to native Americans in general
- It’s still technically called Indian Country and there are a variety of Indian services type organizations in the government.
- I'm falling into the old person category lately but prefer to stay in the know. What is the proper nomenclature in 2024?
  
  "Indigenous" seems to be acceptable most people. When you know them personally, use their nation or tribal affiliation. Like if your friend was Korean, and you only referred to them as "Asian," it might feel like you don't care about the difference.
  
  Different people prefer different nomenclature, but the generally accepted standard has switched from native American a couple decades ago to American Indian now. IIRC the change happened because calling people natives sometimes seems synonymous with calling them primitive. Most US tribal groups use American Indian now
  
  20 years ago it was “native, aboriginal, or first nation’s” people
  Not sure which is the current flavour
  
  Depends on your country. Really every place has come up with something different: First Nations, indigenous, native, etc.
  
  Native, I would assume
- I was reading it and genuinely thought it meant South Asian Indian at first
  
  Same. I was getting really curious about this Amish group in India
- My understanding is they call themselves Indians and it's only dipshitty non-indians tripping over themselves to be publicly offended on others' behalf who say it's bad.
  I don't know for certain but that certainly seems to be the consensus.
  
  There's actually a diverse opinion even within the indigenous community, Indian can be a uniting identifier, but it can also be representative of everything wrong with colonism.
  While I'm not American, my understanding from my grandfather who was warded to a government school in Canada (though it's never been clear if he is first nations, he was documented as such but his cultural experience once he joined the army and moved countries to has been white, and I am white, so I can not truly speak to any of this), whether an individual or a tribal group are more comfortable with the label Indian or Native American, or indigenous, or first nations, tends to depend on the relationship between the person/group and reservations and government programs that historically used the terminology of Indian.
  My grandfather for example would use First Nation's/Indigenous (though he used to say that he was "treated like first nations" rather than he "is" first nations, because even he had no idea if he actually was or not), he couldn't bring himself to say "Indian" because that's what he was labelled as while subjected to the abuse of the educational system at the time, it's a traumatic term for him. Meanwhile some of the men he knew from that time united under the label "Indian" to claim it back from those that used it to oppress them, it's a point of pride for them.
  
  That's been my impression too.
  Whole thing sounds like the people who call every black person everywhere an African American.
- Someone has never been to a reservation and it shows.

Is part of the agreement to trade fashion accessories?
- isn’t that a part of every agreement
- Yes but only among girls.
- As a father who raised 4 daughters, you try and stop a young woman from wearing jewelry, perfumes, and even makeup. That's a fight you WILL lose every time.
  You should see the dating scene. A young Amish boy holding hands with a young Native walking down a hallway, (or vice versa). It ain't right I tell you.
  
  I learned very quickly I had already lost on the makeup battle by the time my daughter was 2. I thought maybe we could make it until she was a teenager but NOPE

This is local politics in action. In a federation this is protected. In a federation this could also be forced on all federated states or banned. In a federal system it is also allowed that damaging actions are outlawed or embraced and cherished by the state. It is all imperfect but the entire idea is the hope that all the various levels of legal authority check and balance themselves for the benefit of the people and are accountable to wrote law.
I am just writing this for people to maybe remember that this is how a federation (see: The United States of America) is fundamentally supposed to function.

Weird, but hey they ain't hurting nobody, so meh

Are there actually Amish people in India?
I can't tell if this is real or not.
- Many people refer to the people who were living in North America before Europeans as “Indians” and there’s even a good portion of those people that use it to self identify as well, even if “Native American” is more widely used, if not also somewhat an inaccurate if you’re getting technical.
  
  Absolutely fair enough, I'm just a somewhat ignorant Welsh man!
  They have only ever been described here as American/Native American.
  Though now that you mention this, Cowboys & Indians suddenly makes a lot more sense to me.
- American Indians, the term hasn't died out in the New World quite yet.
  
  In Russian language the difference between American and actual Indians is one letter in spelling (easily heard in pronunciation, so only small children maybe mix them up), historically it's a variation of the same word.
  For "turkey" the bird the feminine version of the former is used (and not used to refer to an American Indian woman).
  The point is, it's the main word to refer to Native Americans. "Настоящему индейцу завсегда везде ништяк" and all that.
  
  Old worlder here. Still calling them Indians. Also actively refusing to use the term towards people of India, bexause we have other words for them (actually two, one similiar to Indian, secons not at all, neither a slur).