I guarantee you the admins will leave them to powermod the remaining 107 as they see fit.

Well, in this case the person in question couldn't handle the fallout of their actions, and actually deleted their whole account.

I'm pretty it's Beaver. I'm now banned (and I appear to be blocked by Beaver as well) and I'm pretty sure the only recent direct interaction I've had with the community was downvoting the recent articles about how vegan diets are okay for carnivorous pets.

Modlog does contain the info, it's just not displayed on the website. You can get the full data from lemmy API

Example:

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                "description": "Please also check out [vegantheoryclub.org](https://vegantheoryclub.org/) for a great set of well-run communities for vegan news, cooking, gardening, and art. It is not federated with LW, but it is a nice, cozy, all-in-one space for vegans.\n\n***\n\nWe ask that the you have an understanding on what veganism is before engaging in this community.\n\nIf you think you have been banned erroneously, please get in contact with one of the other mods for appeals.\n\nModerator reports may not federate properly and may delay moderator action. Please DM an active mod if an abusive comment remains after reporting it.\n\n***\n\n## Welcome\n\nWelcome to c/vegan@lemmy.world. Broadly, this community is a place to discuss veganism. Discussion on [intersectional](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality) topics related to the animal rights movement are also encouraged.\n\n## What is Veganism?\n\n> 'Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals ...'\n\n— abridged definition from [The Vegan Society](https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism)\n\n## Rules\n\n*The rules are subject to change, especially upon community feedback.*\n\n1. Discrimination is **not** tolerated. *This includes [speciesism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism)*.\n2. Topics not relating to veganism are subject to removal.\n3. Posts are to be as accessible as practicable:\n\t- pictures of text require alt-text;\n\t- paywalled articles must have an accessible non-paywalled link.\n4. Content warnings are required for triggering content.\n5. Bad-faith [carnist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnism) rhetoric & anti-veganism are not allowed, as this is not a space to debate the merits of veganism. Anyone is welcome here, however, and so good-faith efforts to ask questions about veganism may be given their own weekly stickied post in the future (see current stickied discussion).\n\t- before jumping into the community, we encourage you to read [examples of common fallacies here.](https://yourveganfallacyis.com/)\n\t- if you're asking questions about veganism, be mindful that the person on the other end is trying to be helpful by answering you and treat them with at least as much respect as they give you.\n6. Misinformation, particularly that which is dangerous or has malicious intent, is subject to removal.\n\n## Resources on Veganism\n\nA compilation of many vegan resources/sites in a Google spreadsheet:\n\n* [vegancheatsheet.org](https://vegancheatsheet.org/)\n\nHere are some documentaries that are recommended to watch if planning to or have recently become vegan:\n\n* [You Will Never Look at Your Life in the Same Way Again](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3u7hXpOm58)\n* [Dominion (2018)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko) (CW: gore, animal abuse)\n\n## Vegan Fediverse\n\nLemmy: [vegantheoryclub.org](https://vegantheoryclub.org/)\n\nMastodon: [veganism.social](https://veganism.social/)\n\n### Other Vegan Communities\n\n#### General Vegan Comms\n!vegan@lemmy.ml\n\n!vegan@hexbear.net\n\n!vegan@vegantheoryclub.org\n\n!vegan@slrpnk.net\n\n#### Circlejerk Comms\n!vegancirclejerk@lemmy.ml\n\n\n#### Vegan Food / Cooking\n!homecooks@vegantheoryclub.org \n\n!veganrecipes@sh.itjust.works\n\n!recipes@vegantheoryclub.org\n\n",
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Thunder shows the mod for each modlog action.

The info is there. You can tell who it is by using the filters (e.g. logs filtered on me as the user that were modded by beaver: https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&modId=7121342&userId=36)

It’s a pain in the ass but it works.

The modlog should at least contain an identifier of the mod. Maybe not a link to their account

It should contain link to their profile. People should be accountable for the consequences of their actions.

The ANIMALS are the minority group. Not YOU.

relevant xkcd

Yeah, but c'mon, that's Floridaman. He's a meth head who'd murder someone because he wanted to fuck an alligator and thought he needed a human sacrifice to do it.

I don't think that counts as targeted hate crime or whatever. He wasn't stabbed for veganism, he was stabbed from the heated argument, which by trigger happy dumbos like these could have been about anything.

I used to be a vegetarian for a decade and then a pescetarian before apathy fully set in and I saw how pointless it all is.

Vegans and vegetarians can be some of the most judgemental gatekeeping assholes out there. Many of them aren't, but the ones that are militant and overbearing are the worst and only push others from their cause. Those ones desperately want to feel better than others, so become borderline eating disordered to elevate themselves to some holy god level in their minds because they eat beans and lentils.

They aren't in the same class as minorities. They choose to eat the diet they do. And no one can visibly tell they are vegetarian/vegan until they tell others they are.

This might be a language barrier thing, but in most english-speaking countries when you use the term "minority" to refer to a group of people, that typically refers to a group who is a minority based on race, sex, ethnicity, gender or some other inherent trait. You might say, "a small community" to refer to a group within a group, but you wouldn't say, "a minority community" for that unless you were trying to imply that the community in question was a racial, ethnic, gender, or other form of minority.

To put the shoe on the other foot, how would it sound to you if someone on the Carnivore diet, or on the Atkins diet called themselves a minority?

It just doesn't make sense, because dietary choices, are just that, choices. While actual minorities, like POCs and LGBTQ people, are born the way they are. They don't have any choices in the matter.

Don't get me wrong, dietary choices can be a super serious matter, and I am not saying that people aren't discriminated against for them. I just think its wrong to call someone a minority based on any sort of dietary choice, at least in the same context that minority is usually used.

There are certainly vegan diets. People who still eat animal produce may still be interested in vegan alternatives without becoming vegan or vegetarian. And I don't think being part of a small community of a certain life choice isn't really making you a minority in the political sense (I assume that's what the minority part is trying to imply here, that there's some sort of entitlement for a minority protection).

Also, promoting vegan diets for carnivorous pets is indeed animal abuse and should not be defended or promoted. That's typically a telltale sign of veganazis, which are generally a terrible thing even for actual vegans as they put the whole lifestyle into a bad light with their overly aggressive rhetoric and disinformation.

No, but you can bet your bottom dollar I will when I go to bed tonight.

She's eroding the credibility of the community she champions as well.

This isn't the first time a very loud minority ruined things for the rest of their collective.

Also they made a post which was being openly hostile to Lemmy.world's mods, I mean what the fuck?

Yeah that mod was a real piece of work, it's probably for the best that one of the other mods removed her and her alts from the community, and also is in the process of reversing their malicious actions.

You’d be surprised how often that happens when people find out you don’t eat meat.

It’s, like, a lot.

(edit: this was a stupid thing to say.)

Correction: it was silly, and so I loved it 😂 (Maybe I misunderstood, I just wanted to advocate for it being okay to be silly:-)

Corpse muncher is a good one. Blood mouth is another. I've heard something about cadaver as well, maybe cadaver eater? Can't remember.

Seriously how fucking old are you (the silly vegans, not the person in replying to, I didnt make that clear)? Does that ever work? It's just so ridiculously childish and funny.

Sounds like something a carnivorous clown would say!

(/s)

I don't think it's intended to provoke non-vegan people, I think it's meant to be a 'for us, by us' community. PSA to all: there's a block community button for communities that are not hateful or illegal (you should report those) but are things you'd prefer not to see on your personalized feeds

Depends on the context maybe? Idk I am not a mod. I've just seen comments about arguing for eating meat or saying something like "I'm going to eat 2 hamburgers now because of you" which are just annoying. I thought that was what this was about. I'll leave my comments up for anyone else confused.

Cause over the last few weeks, a bunch of debates over moderation drama have been full of people attacking vegans over the cat taurine debate. That drama is over and it reached a consensus resolution between the mods and admins. If they've made an executive judgement that the moderation drama is no longer relevant and baits carnists into breaking rule 5, then removing that debate is a valid application of rule 5.

Well yeah if seeing vegan content upsets you enough to break their rule 5 then it is not a good community for you. And that is ok, honestly I get grief in real life about me trying to be vegan. Having place amongst other vegans and people not anti-vegan is nice. I also don't know the context being the post so if there is something I'm missing feel free to tell me.

The bans seem to be targeting downvotes without other contribution and cheeky comments such as the one in the OP

Well it gets fatiguing to debate all the time, especially when some people are just trolling. But you can ask questions like what do you do for protein, B12, iron, etc. without debating. What are some staples that vegans eat, is it easy to make vegan food, how expensive is vegan food, what does a balanced vegan meal look like, what are some recipes, etc. Even asking can a person thrive on a vegan diet through all stages of life and you'll probably be given an article or recommended to watch Game Changers.

I think they want to stop the antagonistic people, especially if all they want to do is say: it is only natural to eat meat/we evolved to eat meat, humans have dominion over animals, animals don't have feelings, vegans are just being overemotional aka only logical people eat meat, it is ok to kill animals, killing animals in factory farms is ok because it is efficient, there isn't enough land to grow vegan food for everyone, etc. Just shit that's been responded to a million times and at this point seems bad faith since it's been debunked before. Maybe they could have a sticky or wiki about these common arguments, idk I am not a mod.

It also matters what your tone is and that can be the difference between someone asking questions in good faith vs someone doing an antagonistic debate. But yeah at this point vegans do not need to question their values or opinions when it comes to their diet and lifestyle. You cannot convince a vegan it is ok to kill an animal for food but you might be able to convince a non-vegan it is wrong to kill an animal for food. Anyway that was just my thoughts on it.

I've responded to this before and no one cared but here is the original thread since everyone has greatly exaggerated what was said about cats who are obligate carnivores not obligated to eat meat per se.

https://lemmy.world/post/18691022

This is their rule 5:

There are plenty of other spaces where vegans can respond to "plants feel pain" and "but what about lions" a million times a day, but that gets old pretty quick. The goal is to have a space where vegans can just interact amongst themselves, which necessarily requires some degree of gatekeeping

I'm not sure if you saw the recent community update, but things have died down at /c/vegan. Up to you, but posts will probably be leaning more informative and less antagonistic now that the situation has been resolved.

I hide downvotes since we can (latest Lemmy upgrade), that's better

Where's his brother? I could have sworn there were two angry beavers....

Edit: NM totally missed the mod in question's name.

Increasingly I believe communities should be able to hide from All. I step into places without realizing it too. They want an echo bunker, not a public sidewalk

To expand:

c/veganism isn't actually a place to discuss the merits or news about vegan topics, or recipes.

It's a place for vegans, and only vegans, to share likeminded opinions on their world view. This is not unique to this community.

Being a non vegan, and sharing a non vegan opinion there is not what they want. They find it offensive, and nearly bannable in general.

Ultimately, that's ok, it's their community.

The problem comes in when their posts land on All, where anyone sees it and feels invited to read and comment and vote. (Which I believe they are). So a mechanism to keep them off All would be useful to discourage people "walking by"

The OP literally shows a screenshot of your comment

I do wonder however if it suggests things about a person, that they moderate that many communities. For instance, is it indicative of power seeking behavior?

IIRC it was more that they paid to be a mod. Someone had money to burn.

Yeah being around tankies just isn't worth it, also it's not like you'll escape this kind of drama there anyway, they likely have drama this bad or worse there.

Which Hamid has made just as bad as beaver did here, but I guess at least he's transparent about ban hammering and comment removals. He's insufferable and is the instance mod, not just community mod.

It is starting to look like the only place a vegan community mushroom can grow and flourish is on an even bigger pile of shit. It's a little crass to say, but it ought to tell you something when the most defederated and blocked instances is where your group hangs out.

I just want to read vegan recipes and see like minded people discuss a topic in a civilized way, you know, like basically every other community.

Ok but maybe then you pick a space that isn’t on a open federated social media platform designed for open conversation?

I wondered that myself, does blocking the instance also block comments?

You don't know about rule 5?

That's a rule 5 violation.

FYI all mod actions should show up, but if a post has been "purged" (completely deleted from the lemmy db) then it also disappears from the modlog.

Thanks! Apparently I got banned for being a crypto bot. No idea why, I fucking hate crypto and would never shill any of that useless nonsense.

Some admin actions are public or private depending on the instance rules.

Not a vegan, but what's the point from the other side?

It seems like non vegan people downvote the posts from that community without contributing at all, and then are surprised they get banned

If you guys are willing to debate vegan topics, why not create a !vegandebate and post content there?

Or just block the community and move on

In case you weren't aware: that was the full jerk.

I thought the memes were funny though I suppose from the meat eater view they can be seen as slightly provocative.

Not a vegan, but what’s the point from the other side?

It seems like non vegan people downvote the posts from that community without contributing at all, and then are surprised they get banned

If you guys are willing to debate vegan topics, why not create a !vegandebate and post content there?

Or just block the community and move on

That's it, I'm banning you from my acquaintances.