Dems Mock Trump as ‘Too Old’ to Run—Like He Did to Biden
Dems Mock Trump as ‘Too Old’ to Run—Like He Did to Biden
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Trump doesn't care about the responsibility of being president. He likes the power and prestige of it.
But I don't want real power, because with real power comes real responsibility, and I don't want any of that shit.
I just want the money.
And the illusion of power.
And puss.
I nominate Shane Gillis as Trump for Kamala's VP pick.
I call my God hole.
And you wanna fill it with puss?
Yeah.
Not just that, this is his ticket to stop all the criminal trials.
He does, but only because it's either be President or go to jail
Also, republicans don’t care about being called out for their bullshit
“The first party to retire its 80-year old candidate is going to be the one who wins this election.”
— Nikki Haley, in January.
BTW, I think it would be good for Dems to always call Trump 80. It will be a good irritation for Republicans
I've been getting down voted for saying it for a year...
But yeah, trump doesn't stand a fucking chance now. Also, this is probably the only way to get people excited about Kamala.
2028 better be a real primary or we just kicked the can down the road.
You know it will probably be either the Harris reelection effort, or no election due to complications from Trumpitis
Harris still has a lot of animosity towards her from her time as a prosecutor, but I'm thinking she's at least a better candidate than biden. The expected republican attacks of "she's black" and "she's a woman" probably won't sway anyone as much as "Joe Biden personally shoots Palestinian kids."
I could see how nominating Harris this way could run people the wrong way, and both she and the DNC should vow to run a full and fair primary for the 2028 Presidential Elections. As in, treating Harris as if that would be the end of her second term (but still allowing her to run for nomination).
Have we seen his birth certificate?! Maybe he actually is 80…
Many people are saying it - Is Trump too old for the Presidency? I hear it all the time from fine folks. Shouldn't we answer these folks? All we need to see if the birth certificate. Maybe Trump is younger then actually says. We don't know. Many people asking questions.
The Nikki Haley PAC donated to Harris as soon as it was announced
Just go with 92, it's 45+47, and start marking up the 45-47 signs with a plus.
He's old as fuck and shits his diapers on stage
He walks around with a frame when there aren't any cameras.
Yeah, these ads almost write themselves. Show clips of right-wingers describing Biden as old and senile, then splice in clips of Trump rambling incoherently. The entire Trump campaign has been built around attacking Biden, so there will probably be a lot of tangential benefits of switching to Harris.
Ooof, I hadn't even thought about this possibility! They could splice up some absolutely wild ads of Trump surrogates appearing to criticize Trump for being too old and senile!
Yeah, they would probably have to make it clear that they were originally talking about Biden, otherwise I think that's fraud, but basically how I would do it.
Narrator: What did some [some Republican chud] think about Biden?
Republican Chud: You can't have a senile, 80 year old grandpa leading the country!
-smash-cut to Trump-
Trump: Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that's the end of the magnets. Why didn't they use John Deere? Why didn't they bring in the John Deere people? Do you like John Deere? I like John Deere.
Narrator: Sounds like [some Republican chud] was right!
The racist rapist, Dementia Don with 34 felonies needs to drop out, he's too old and can't even complete a coherent sentence.
He's always been too old to run. It's completely ridiculous that he would go after his opponent for something that he is as well without a hint of irony.
He could shame others for having a pot on their head while he has multiple pots on his head and his voters wouldn't be able to see the farce.
It was always just about image. Trump has a bunch of other bad things to talk about and he doesn't show age as a problem as clearly as Biden does. Not to say there haven't been moments where Trump has had moments like Biden but the focus has always been on the other bad aspects of Trump. The reason they focus on it with Biden is because he doesn't really have much else interesting going on for the media to focus on instead.
Watch an interview of Trump in the 80s, after 9/11, and anything that gets put out now. A lot more controlled in the 80s, far more coherent train of thought in the 2000s, and neither of those things now.
He wasn't any less of a terrible person back then, but the veneer hadn't worn off.
One big concern is he has golfers spine. That's why it looks like he's wearing a diaper full of shit when standing. It's a serious concern as he may even need spinal surgery as bad as it looks. Has he even been checked by a spinal professional?
Basically, my adhd brethren: Biden boring, but old and shows it. Trump not boring, just dumb, and shows age less often.
Could we do a boot instead?
It's a preemptive strike. Haven't you noticed that when Trump has done something wrong, he immediately and viciously attacks his opponent for doing that thing. That's true even if the thing is being old. If you make a list of things Trump has accused others of, you'll notice quickly that he did many of those things. So many, in fact, that it will make you wonder if he's done those other things too.
He constantly accused Cruz of being a liar. He said Hilary was corrupt, racist, unstable, and that Russia wanted her to be president. He accused Obama and Biden of election tampering. It goes on and on. They say it's projection, but I think it's a calculated move to make the other people sound like they're saying "No, you are."
Well, many people are saying it, not just Democrats. Just the other day, the biggest manliest Republican ran up to me with tears streaming down his face, and he fell on his knees, and he said "Sir, sir! Our orange god-emperor is actually very very old and in obvious mental decline! He needs to drop out right now!"
Very good people, the best people.
Right out of central casting, in fact.
He totally is too old, though. Bill Clinton is younger than him.
Like CNN is ever going to mention trumps age or any doubts about his mental capacity. They were bought out years ago.
If you ever hear a right winger whine about CNN smack them in the face for being so ungrateful. They carry trump water all day, every day.
Shit, NPR made a noticeable shift rightward during (and since) Trump's presidency due to some perception of having a liberal bias for simply stating the factual news.
I think it really depends on your station. I noticed a pretty big whiplash effect sometime around 2018 where they started really pushing back on pro-Trump guests in a way which they hadn't done previously. Recently they seem to actually be pulling fewer punches, straight up calling Trump out for telling lies (rather than just "mistruths" or "dishonesty"). This morning they called out a Trump SEC appointee who was questioning if Harris could inherit Biden's money. They seem to go back and forth depending on what specifically is in the news cycle.
They need an external enemy to hate. CNN and the rest of the "mainstream media" is one of those. They could grant Trump whatever he wanted, and they would still attack because that is CNN's only purpose in their headspace.
We just need a maximum age for running for president. Id like my president's to be of a normal working age. If you're going to be over 65 by the end of the term then that's too old imo since they would be older than 5/6 of the population.
Kamala would be over 65 by term 2's end. I think 70 is a good number but honestly I overwhelmingly agree with the sentiment. Make the max age lower and the right candidates will "magically" appear. The pecking order today sadly includes people in their 60s and 70s because we almost never elect different people for house/senate.
Maybe it was the way I worded my comment before, but I got downvoted for criticising that too many politicians are too old to still be in office. I got response from someone that age shouldn't matter if the person is competent.
Then it occurred to me that maybe it was boomers who downvoted me for hitting a nerve. And I should have responded that if there is minium required age to become POTUS, why shouldn't there be a maximum age?
That being said, it also occurred to me that there is ageism against younger people in politics. The voting age in many places do not want to be lowered as youths are told to be too immature to vote. But how come no one says old people are too old and senile to vote? I don't mean to go into old vs young people mudslinging, but old people have elected representatives that only benefit their own demographic and not for everyone in the country. One reason for the housing crisis is that old people elect politicians who do not want to build more affordable housing so as not to devalue their property.
Voting rights aren't handed out because of pragmatic reasons, but because of fundamental principals.You don't get to vote because you're able to make good decisions, you get to vote because you're a human citizen of a particular country and on that basis alone you get to vote. It would be very difficult to objectively determine who is able to make good decisions. And even it that were possible, it would be difficult to decide where to draw the line. Of course that children don't get to vote is completely inconsistent and the age that makes the difference is completely arbitrary. But to be honest, I'd much rather allow children of all ages to vote than restrict people beyond a certain age. Check out some Noam Chomsky interview of recent years, would it really be fair if such a bright mind was not allowed to vote?
I think the problem is that the PFC is often not fully formed, on average, until 25. I still think people as young as 16 should be allowed to vote, though. However, on the other end, I don't think arbitrary years is worth anything (and will be increasingly worthless with time as medicine continues to change the game - imagine nootropics and life extension) - the important thing is mental acuity for the job, no matter the age. If someone wants to run for office and they are 250 (assuming for the moment life extension/age slowing/age reversal becomes everyday), I shouldn't care. What I should care about is their ability to do the job. Ideally, we'd even be able to screen out psychopaths and other troublesome traits, but give it time, I guess.
Agreed. I am sick and tired of this country being run by workaholics. I want to retire some day. I want a candidate who shares that value, and is motivated to build and promote an economic, legal, and political environment where people can actually retire.
That means a first-time candidate should be no older than 57, and an incumbent no older than 61.
If there's anyway to convince him not to run that'd be wonderful. There are many Maga folks that emulate him but I don't think they're nearly as likely to be able to actually pull off a coup.
Granted, it's a fucking long shot that he'd listen to anyone.
I kind of fear what comes next after Trump (he is old and I can't imagine him serving a full term).
He will never willingly let go of his control over his base. Trump doesn't give a single fuck about the MAGA movement beyond the fact that it is his own personal army of zombie sycophants.
His followers may be dogmatic about MAGA, but I can assure you that Trump himself is not. If he dropped dead tomorrow MAGA would instantaneously begin fizzling out, and it would fracture the Republican party.
Based on what my true-crime cult obsessed friend has said on the matter, option 2 is probably the most likely; though the party at large will always rally behind whoever the nominee is, because that's how Republicans operate.
DeSantis already tried to court the cult of Trump, and he failed because these cults of personality are entirely fixed around their leader. As my buddy described it, it's not like a hydra where you can cut the head off and the cult keeps going. Once the leader is gone, they fizzle out. Even in the case of endorsing a successor, I can't imagine the group having the same kind of following for the same reason - without Trump, the Flavor-Aid sours. There will be new leaders, but they'll have to work to sway the core voters in the way that Trump has. And the Flavor-Aid is a perfect metaphor, because Trump sounds exactly like Jim Jones according to my friend.
This is the first time in the wild that I have seen someone correctly mention "Flavor-Aid" instead of "Kool-Aid" in reference to Jim Jones.
If anything, after Trump, he’ll be revered within the Republican party for years like Reagan was. WWTD “What Would Trump Do?” will become their new litmus test for whether a candidate is worthy or not. Republicans will try to show off their credentials of how aligned they were to “Trump’s values”.
That makes alot of sense. However, I'm worried the Republicans reliaze there are better candidates that represent "their morals". So maybe not DeSantis but someone closer. They also will have to vote for someone.
Cults of personality are never quite the same once the big personality passes. They tend to fragment, shrink, or otherwise fade away. Members may join other high control organizations, but they won't be united.
Depends... If he can successfully set up a family dynasty (would probably be Ivanka and Jared he passed it on to if we're being honest), and he stayed in office until he died before passing the torch (or perhaps even stepped back as an "elder statesman" for the last few years of his death so he can work on transitioning Donald Trump diehards into Trump diehards), I could see them making this work.
These people are in deep, and most of them will do anything he tells them to do.
Can Trump transfer his cult to a successor with a mere endorsement and forever continue a cycle of scrambling to vote for this "last" democrat.
Trump cares about not going to jail and Trump in approximately equal amounts. No way he lets someone else take the wheel. If he somehow became president again he'd start looking at repealing the 22nd before he'd endorse anyone else.
Trump has none of the admirable qualities of someone who's overcome a mental disability. He oozes neurotypical privilege.
I know, I didn't let the media sway me into believing he was some genius charismatic dictator. I just think the man keeps failing upwards but his time is running out.
I mean... is extreme malignant narcissism considered neurotypical?
I kind of hope not.
He oozes wealth privilege (even if he doesn't have much left). Allows him to behave however he pleases.
I can't see Trump being the sort to try to build something beyond himself. I don't think he could see the point of trying to cultivate a successor; and even if he did, I think he would see them as potential competition - he'd likely try to sabotage them, if anything.
I would love to see Trump sabotage them. A proper consequence for betting on chaos.
Yeah, the longest lasting fascist country was spain which collapsed into a republic with the death of Francisco Franco.
Say whatever you want about the advisability of Biden dropping out, it is going to make the best fucking content.
And now Trump being shot at is no longer being reported lol
It was a big deal, but his injury was minimal and there is no flashy politcal reason for the attack. The murder of the crowd is just background noise in our gun soaked politics.
The kid had deep depression and was looking for a big target of either party to "suicide by cop." The lack of a manifesto or an outward politcal lean, regardless of his conservative roots, makes it just a weak story.
It was never about him being shot though, it was about mental health, right? 😏
Finally! The dems are going low!
You joke, and he would have been too young, but Trump and Mussolini were actually living at the same time for a brief period.
He also would have been down with Mussolini, had he been old enough.
No they were not alive at the same time - Trump was born in 1946 and Mussolini was executed in 1945.
He should intern for mausoleum instead.
So old he was mussolinis Barber
Not just Dems saying it. Everyone is saying it.
Many people are saying it! 👐 The best people 👋 they come up to me ☝️and say, they say 👐 Mr Mad Caesar, 🤚with tears in their eyes, Mr Caesar, Trump 🍊 is just too old to be president! 👐
I'm visualizing Cartman saying this
Oh.. it's mocking when Dems do it..
Why isn't it just behavioural parity?
Are both sides not allowed to behave the same? Be equal?
The very same media keeps asking democrats to go more to the right to act the moderate / centrist role, why isn't that any good when they copy this from Republicans? /s
Are both sides not allowed to behave the same? Be equal?
Never have been
Well the first step in changing that is expecting that... And talking as if it expected..
When presented with the American constitution or trump, and they chose trump, its self evident that they just want a king.
So many well meaning centrists and left leaning people in America have cut maga so much slack for 8 years...
Maga definitionally wants to replace the United states constitution and establishment. The conversation should be happening on those terms. But most the outspoken left leaning voices are too scared.
Are both sides not allowed to behave the same? Be equal?
No, because democratic voters at least occasionally have principles.
I get what you're saying here, but if Dems start acting "equivalently" to Republicans we're gonna have a real big, serious problem.
I'm not asking Dems to break the rules. I would like Dems to treat the left as actual partners and take their policy seriously, instead of "we need those people to shut up or Republicans are going to burn down everything". Republicans do not do that with their own reactionaries. They mine them for ideas and find ways to implement those policies through a long game.
To an extent, I say it's about time you do.
Not with policy or law breaking. Not that crazy shit.
But rhetorically. Imho it's time for American Dems to stop playing so nice..
The evidence is all available online. If you support trump for office you want a king.
We already have a real big, serious problem.
Though I agree, dropping to their level just let's them go lower.
It's Murc's Law in action is what it is.
Turnabout is fair play :3
179 year old man mocks 182 year old man for how old he is.
You love to see it.
It’s not mocking to point out a fact.
…because they nominated a dinosaur
🦖RAWR
They did not! That is very offensive!
:c
I'd be interested to see if this strategy works the other way around
That's what I've been waiting for
He is though!!! That's why I'm excited about Harris! She's only 59!
lol, how the turn tables.
At this point Trump went from "almost certain" to "laughably unelectable"
Again, for the record, Peter Cooper is the record holder for oldest Nominee. Trump is second and Biden is third(albeit Biden is still older by the Reagan metric of end of office if Trump ends up losing or dies midway through). If you wanna say oldest REPUBLICAN ever go for it, that's a far safer claim that's not made incorrect thanks to Peter Cooper or vulnerable to debating the exact definition like Biden is(like he was A Nominee in the primaries, he just didn't become THE Nominee). Also making this argument makes the 'Biden should resign' thing worse so, maybe hold off on that. There's plenty of legitimate anti-Trump arguments that can be expressed as simple factual statements. Trump is rapist. No need to get into the age shit
The reason for the push on age, I feel, is that the trump campaign has gotten his followers chanting the issue for a month. The talking heads got the sheep saying it, and if the sheep hear the same problem with trump there is already a mental framework that was heavily pushed by their trusted sources. The back peddling and justifications can cause voter apathy. That’s the goal for both parties this time, as if you back trump you can’t think your way out of it and if you don’t you can’t think your way in. I feel the theme of the 2024 election is “your guy sucks, you should stay home.”
Many people have run for office outside of the two main parties
None older that Cooper who got on state ballots no
Imagine if dems pick an older candidate.
Jimmy Carter is eligible for one more term
Lol... I know it's a joke, but boomers would lose their collective minds. They hate Jimmy Carter because they all bought the Reagan propaganda hook, line and sinker.
Doesn't have the same bite after they had their head in the sand for ages and talked about "not voting for the man but the administration" and so on. Would've worked a lot better if they had ran a much younger candidate from the get-go
That's okay, the GOP will mock the "Democrats" for repeatedly having an un-democratic primary election.
Lol y'all can downvote me... The funny thing is I'm probably on your side, I just like integrity.
You're all living in a bubble and it won't help you win unless you're prepared to face the reality. You will need to be able to answer to the conservatives when they call out this valid point.
Tbh, as a non-American meme-connoisseur, I kind of want Trump to win again, because, well, of the memes, and his idio(cray)cy. I mean, it would do with the world economy what my wife did to me last night, and it would hurt, and most would cry, but we would have some fun.
Tbh, as an American, fuck off. The Nazi uniforms looked nice that does not mean I want to see more made.
It feels like the Germans are close enough that they start making them again.
I get you as a fellow meme connoisseur, but under some exceptional circumstances da memes come second.
What a shitpost mate. Maybe for you it's about the memes. Sure is not for the American people.
Because he IS too old. Biden did the right thing. Selflessly put the country before himself and listened to his party. I don't think Trump would ever have enough morals or integrity to do that in a million years unfortunately. So we'll have to beat the old loon and his band of circus freaks at the polls, again.
Biden was never supposed to run for a second term, and then dragged his feet until the very last minute. The selfless thing would’ve been to step aside for someone younger before the race began
He never had plans to only run one term.
Yeah, he fucked over everyone by participating in the primaries.
I think most people had no idea he was significantly declining, hence the astonishment at the debate. And some people around him seem to have been encouraging the denial (or worse). I'm unclear if he was doing better many months ago before primaries.
I can't imagine how insulated and reliant on advisors and other employees the president becomes. Quickly surrounded by people who have no interest in being the bearer of bad news. Probably akin to billionaires, and we see what they mutate into (some kind of Musk-like creature).
I'm so relieved that Biden was able to come to this painful decision, even if it was late. On the bright side, at least there's less time for the GOP to smear the new nominee. And no more televised convention for them to host the lies for free.
Still far more selfless than Trump though. I'm sure we can absolutely agree there.
Everyone can look like a genius with hindsight.
In 2019.
He only planned to serve one term? I'm sure you have a source for that...?
UPDATE: I was wrong, they have a source!
I honestly wonder if it was always the plan to waste the GOPs money on a campaign against Biden up until the nomination was locked in. Biden did say he'd be a 1 term president after all. The move makes Biden come off as the better person, makes room for a (slightly) younger, far more capable and progressive candidate, and wasted a ton of the GOPs effort and money. I'm truly hopeful that not only will Harris win, but due to all the shit slinging going on in the house and Senate, the left wins back a ton of seats making it so Harris's term is as effective as possible. I'm 90% sure most seats in the house are up for grabs this coming vote.
Anyways....