2d ago

Showing who's in charge

100 comments

The names don't have obvious meaning in English but they did in their original languages. Simon is a Hebrew name from the torah and means "he who hears". Peter comes from Petros, the Greek translation of Cephas, the original Aramaic name Jesus gave him and means "rock". So Jesus gave a Jewish guy with a Hebrew name an Aramaic (nick)name because Jesus saw him as the rock (foundation) of his church.
- i was once taught by a guy named Pete Rock and he was the first to tell you that his name means Rock Rock lol
- Similarly Platos name means broad, which was because he was a wrestler and kept up his physique. It also spawned a joke I'm fond of.
  Diogenes wanders into Platos academy and says "Broadly speaking-" To which Plato responds "Yes I was now shut up"
  
  Is this the time Plato threw Diogenes off the top of Hell In A Cell and through the announcer’s table?
  
  also couldn't the term mean "jacked" basically? like Plato= Daddy Swole essentially
  
  Fuck you for this acursed comment.
- I am amazed that the name "Pierre" (also french for stone) litterally comes from the greek for "rock"
  
  Rome and it's consequences
- Now everything make sense. In spanish, "Peter" is "Pedro", that sounds like "Piedra", that means "Rock"
  
  See also 'petrify' (make into rock) and 'petroleum' (rock fat)
  
  The female for "Pedro" is "Petra", what make it more obvious, and also "Petronila" is a woman name, that comes from "Petroleum"
  
  I’d be fucking mad if my parents named me after petroleum
  
  Late XX century in Mexico, were pretty common name your child based in their born date. So, there are so much woman called "Petronila" because were born in March 18th
  
  I take it back, that’s a cool tradition
  
  "The name's Diesel now"
  
  omg, in french Peter is translated to Pierre which also means "rock"! i always assumed that was a coincidence
- Yeah, his name was Simeon bar Jonah, Simon, son of Jonah, or by modern style, Simon Johnson. Then Jesus pops up and starts calling him the Rock... Simon the Rock Johnson. (also fun gravy, Dwayne means fishhook)
  
  I thought Dwayne meant pipe?
- And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
  Matthew 16:18
  BTW I know this one because of Angels & Demons.
  
  You can see them too?
- Don’t know why you got downvoted, because that is some very good information. Thanks.
- Hmm, makes it more likely that Jesus never existed and the whole thing is made up by the church, imo. It's always retrospective with names and meanings, especially if you name them "foundation".
  
  Jesus obviously existed. He wasn't a god (he never claimed he was) but he obviously existed.
  
  No, it's not obvious at all. There's no historic account of him aside of the bible. And yeah, the trinity thing, that was the church ~300 a.c.
  
  There is historical account of him, just not from contemporary figures.
  There are Roman historians who write of him, but they came years after.
  It is generally accepted that the Christ figure is based on a historical figure however the story we are told now is much more tenuous as it is largely based on written works from folks who are retelling tales that may (or may not) have been known
  Mind you we also have historical writings about Santa Claus
  
  they don't really talk of Jesus specifically though that's the kicker.
  If Jesus did miracles and had such an impact on the empire his name would be known his story would be better known.
  The claim that Roman historians wrote about him is semi true they claim there are Christians and they have a Messiah but they never talk about what he did or anything. They mostly speak of the persecution of these people. So it makes a lot of things we think about Jesus unverified.
  The only thing we know is Pontius Pilate under the rule of Tiberius allegedly killed their Messiah. That's it.
  The name Jesus, who he was or what he did is unverified and likely largely stolen. I'm pretty sure Gilgamesh was tied to being a carpenter or a son of a carpenter for instance
  
  There are no contemporary records of Jesus.
  Even of Pilate killing a guy named Jesus.
  It all came later.
  I’m simply saying there is a historical figure who fits the bill BUT the story as folks know it now starts as a retelling of a tale by people who came later.
  So it starts with an untrustworthy narrator.
  I’m not trying to say he existed one way or the other just that it’s more likely a guy did exist who loosely fits the bill and the story as we know it was able to grow and be built from there.
  I’d bet the “real figure”, if I had to speculate, was more likely rejecting the theism of Judaism over trying to push another religion.
  
  Nope. He's just a man they considered their Messiah. The name Jesus isn't recorded by any other source which is why he's a questionable character. Somebody died, not sure if it was Jesus because as you bring up this happened and likely the story built up further. I mean allegedly Jesus was born in both Bethlehem but also he's Jesus of Nazareth somehow? His story doesn't track
  I’d bet the “real figure”, if I had to speculate, was more likely rejecting the theism of Judaism over trying to push another religion.
  He was absolutely. There are these groups called Mystery Cults they're something between fraternal orders and religions kinda, all about secret rituals. It is likely things like the sacrament was made in response to these cults, possibly mocking them in some areas.
  For insuance Jews were considered to practice evil magic, the Eucharist was probably Jesus literally mocking people thinking Jews eat flesh and drink blood it's probable that he wasn't speaking genuinely when he said eat my flesh drink my blood, he was probably joking.
  Another reason to think he joked is that is the story we get that got Jesus in trouble, Palm Sunday, he walks into the city upon a donkey claiming he's king of the Jews and son of God which was absolutely mocking the Roman Emperor at the time
  Jesus was basically just an anti establishment punk who got killed by the state for saying they suck and it was so traumatic people still talk about it 2000 years later but likely many of the stories were condensed to express the Jewish experience in Rome at the time. I don't believe he embraced as much spirituality as people believe he did.

100 comments