Phoronix: Several Linux Kernel Driver Maintainers Removed Due To Their Association To Russia

Yes there are, I think you guys should block .ML and enjoy your botted shithole website. Better your feed be an obvious echo chamber full of hate.

Being Russian => banned from doing business with the rest of the world

That's pretty straight forward to me.

The problem is they aren't even saying what those requirements are even after numerous inquiries about it.

Don't you think its wrong to ban someone only because of their nationality? I mean for real man. Every country in the world has done some fucked up shit but open source software is supposed to go beyond politics and ideologies.

They weren't doing anything malicious it was wrong to remove them.

Yeah, being from Russia is a lot different from being associated with the Russian government.

Lies! You're a communist! Russian troll!

/s for the obtuse

...and we don't know whether they're the former or the latter, no? So maybe a little early to get outraged?

it’s straight up illegal for the Linux foundation to deal with Russians.

[Citation needed]

Which law under which jurisdiction?

The open source / FOSS movement in China is pretty rad. I use a sweet all platform text editor maintained by Chinese devs only.

People should be more wary of the control universities, NGOs, finance through those, law enforcement infiltration etc from US, Euros, Japan, South Korea, Aus has over open source projects due to technology being such a high national security priority.

Guess we're just going to be racist and run with the misdirection of criticism of US laws on to foreign enemies. Just go with the flow, I guess.

If they really want reverse brain drain it isn't my problem, it's their long term problem. CERN is also making a dumb mistake, all universities are in on this, it's imperial chauvinism.

Banning CFCs went pretty well too

You know that Russia wasn't able to compete in the Olympics or Paralympics this year, right? The individual athletes weren't banned however, but they had to compete under a neutral banner and weren't in the parade of nations.

Edit: I should have added, was disgusted because Israel were allowed to compete. Huge double standard there.

Gee i'm glad israeli maintainers are being blocked as well.

@Midnight If Russia were the only one involved, and if weren't provoked by outside powers like say, oh, the United States, yea I could agree with you but my knowledge of history precludes my accepting that explanation.

No matter how many times Western states and corporate media insist that it wasn’t provoked won’t change the fact that it was[1][2].

@theunknownmuncher The US has been involved in probably 300 regime changes throughout the world, has invaded many countries, including those that we were not affiliated with. Russia invades a neighboring country when we install a leader that is going to allow us to put missiles on their border. I really hate to see political hegemony get in the way of a good collaborative effort, we all suffer for it if we allow this.

You do realize that the US has invaded far more countries than Russia has, do burgerlanders have no self awareness at all?

I'm sure removing these maintainers would be of great help to the Ukrainian war effort...

More seriously: We need to help Ukraine more. But this doesn't do that. It just hurts a bunch of people (both the maintainers, and the people using their code) for no benefit whatsoever.

Ehh they keep saying we are not involved we are not whatever. You can only say that so long. I mean the soldiers are coming from somewhere these are not people grown in vats.

A healthy global FOSS culture requires collaborative politics to be the flavour of the day

Bullshit. There's no reason people with political differences can't collaborate on the same project, unless those differences are really huge.

Agree with the former, not the latter.

What was this alleged time of peace you speak of?

Mine?

he's just an American nationalist at heart. his dad was a member of the Russian communist party and his biography seemed to make clear that rebelled from that.

socially he's not terrible but when the war drums come beating he's stepping in line for the stars and stripes

Sure but they are not a democracy.

There is a hot war going on and the US is using sanctions to isolate Russia from using western technology to continue their genocide. That goes a little beyond "nationalistic ideas". Russia is being isolated for their actions and this was past due. It sucks for the Russian maintainers, but under the heading of "war is hell" this is a minor inconvenience.

@BCsven @fireshell Or Linus from moving the organization back to Finland, or Iceland, or Switzerland, or some other more neutral territory.

Kernel cannot follow or not follow any legal rules. Linux Foundation can.

And if regulations become a serious issue and go against the spirit of open-source, it is time to move the Foundation somewhere else.

Not sure if being against Russian aggression can be called a "political belief" as nearly all Finns pretty much agree on it.

If we follow through with it, I would absolutely never ever trust anyone from the US, for example. US is very much known for cyber espionage and shady operations, and could absolutely backdoor Linux.

This is all power play, and it comes from a very certain direction amidst this political struggle.

You want your open source code not to have backdoors? Review it meticulously. This is really the only way, and the one an entire open-source community relies on - pretty successfully, by the way.

by this logic it turns out that the code quality control system is built in such a way that if someone has malicious intent and wants to add malicious code, but is not affiliated with dubious structures, then he will easily succeed? Hey, what about enough eyeballs and shallow bugs?

Yeah better discriminate based on nationality /s. But why stop at that? Poor people are too easily bribed can't have them. I hear the CIA recruits from top US universities, can't trust those college grads either. Anyone belonging to some homophobic church or religious group? Better not what if they're closeted gay and get blackmailed? Anyone in a monogamous relationship should be excluded for the same reason, if you think about it. tips forehead

Even Wikipedia, which is a shockingly bloodthirsty pro-NATO outlet, admits there is zero proof that a "Russian state actor" did this, there are just "western security experts" claiming it (as usual), and opinion is divided.

Did you even read this or do you just vaguely remember a Wired article? I have been able to see through these obvious ploys since I was a teenager reading about cold war propaganda (okay that was like 5 years ago but still SMDH)

Great sign for discussion that hacking is still being treated by Redditors as Russian, Chinese, and North Korean until proven otherwise. 🤕

I can't stress how much the western supremacists are off the rails on this one: agreeing with the standard sanctions policy commonly used by the US, of punishing entire civilian populations based on the actions of their government, regardless of how you feel about that government and its actions.

Code is code, the nationality of the person shouldn't be used to exclude them. ppl know how most of us here feel about Israel but I would never even think of excluding an Israeli contributor to any of the projects I work on.

If you make your points with less belittlement, we mods will have to spend less time fielding reports.

The latest report that I saw was Russian attrition was nearing a collapsing rate in which the expected experience and levels of fatigue of renenforcments were to mean the expected casualty rates would climb exponentially on their side.

You act as if we killed your dog. There is nothing stopping you from moving on. You can jump to an instance that is more agreeable to you or you could create a big block list. However, lemmyml has earned a bad rep from the rest of the community.