Critically acclaimed Dragon's Dogma 2 hits "mostly negative" on Steam after players raze it for microtransactions
Critically acclaimed Dragon's Dogma 2 hits "mostly negative" on Steam after players raze it for microtransactions
The microtransactions are bad enough, but the fact that none of these were present in the build given to reviewers just makes it worse. I mean people would still be complaining about them, but I don't think the backlash would be as bad if Capcom had made it clear from the start that the game was going to be riddled with microtransactions.
Any reviews released in the first week of a game should be taken with a grain of salt and any reviews released on or before launch day should be completely discarded.
With all the 'day one' patches games have, reviewers should be playing the game from launch, on the same version as everyone else. If they have any integrity.
I haven't followed the whole thing as I didn't have any desire to play the game, but assuming that's true that's a seriously shitty move and had to be intentional. Is there not some kind of bait and switch laws that would apply here?
Wouldn’t that mean the reviewers were starved for fast travel, and would have thus complained about it? That seems to be the narrative a lot of people are suggesting - that the DLC makes the game playable.
Unless I’m misunderstanding and reviewers got infinite fast travel.
From what I understand, fast travel isn't locked behind microtransactions, despite some claims I've seen. You can buy an item that you can place that lets you teleport back to that point, kind of like fast traveling to a map marker. These items are available in game along with fixed fast travel points between major cities. So the reviewers would have had access to fast travel they just wouldn't have been able to use real money buy them whenever they needed them.
Capcom have been doing this for a while now. It's very sad. (Edit: weird autocorrects)
We are back to the arcade era where you had to put in more coins to get lives and the games are intensionally hard and unfair to get more coins.
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This is what I was afraid of 15 years ago. I couldn't tell you the last time I bought a AAA game. This release is so disgusting.
They expect you to spend $60 on a game plus microtransactions?
I put away 50 to 100+ hours into games that cost me $15. Why doesn't everybody else do this? Does high-end 3D graphics actually matter that much to people?
$70 nowadays.
Get fucked Capcom. Can always dig through backlog until it's reasonably priced and not a buggy mess.
Japanese company and poor business decisions are a match made in heaven. After success its almost like they race to shoot themselves in the foot.
Chess is free. No DLC. I have never stopped playing.
It does, unsurprisingly.
I couldn't tell you the last time I bought a AAA game.
BG3
It's kind of telling that when I play BG3 I can never label it a AAA game. My heart just doesn't accept it.
I'd give it a zero out of ten just for being an RPG with a single save slot. They failed at the starting line. The got the core of RPGs completely wrong. Taking a shit on it with MTX seems like this was deliberate self sabotage
an RPG with a single save slot.
That's a weird twist on rogue-likes!
I wish people would vote with they're wallets and be more conscious with they're spending habits.
It’s the most bizarre and almost worrying thing now how much video games have transitioned into this “game of the month” thing - where seemingly everyone with a computer all goes and buys the same game each month because it got hyped up by the twitch steamers they watch or whatever.
Just strange. “Are you playing Lethal Company? Everyone’s playing it. Oh, you wanna play Lethal Conpany? Everyone’s playing Palworld now. Oh shit man, we’re not playing that anymore, Dragons Dogma 2 is out”
It would make less sense if the games were single player and full price, but Lethal Company, Palworld, and Helldivers 2 are all at $40 or below for the base games and have a multi-player experience.
Of course people are going to jump on lower priced multi-player games with positive word of mouth quickly so they can play with their friends and get a few dozen hours or more entertainment.
I noticed this after a hiatus from my gamer friend, when I reunited with them a few months back I saw how games would release and they'd buy it, even defend some aspects like kernel level anti cheat/micro-transactions as well as bad game design.
The hive mind seems somewhat new to me like I'd dabble with a few titles a year while spending considerably more time than the average gamer on my PC. And the fast action from lethal company to plate up to velhaim to palword/and hell divers over the last few months has been jarring maybe concerning too
Those people have always been around. They want to be a part of the current conversation. And that's cool. There are plenty of people who wait years to play games until the ultimate version with all DLC goes on sale for 50% off. I'm one of those people. But I also don't care about being a part of the conversation. I'm just a patient gamer who never spends more than 15$ for a game.
I do. Enough games are coming out, this is getting skipped!
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I'm still playing Baldur's Gate. And you know I never did the new game plus of Witcher 3 with the magic based armor.
At this point I have a back log of games. I don't need to buy a new one.
I also have a backlog of games and my friend just spun up his Minecraft server again, so my friend group havr been playing that a lot. My coworker took a day off to play Dragons Dogma 2. I have no desire to play that game rn.
That ship sailed 15 years ago with the horse armor
People never usually never vote with their wallet and gaming industry is way too big for people voting with their wallet to even matter, since it's not a niche hobby. So bad press is the best outcome possible.
You'll never convince me the problem isn't children. When I say children as old man I think sub 18, these spikes are playground purchases.
I've waited ten years for this game and am loving playing it now that it's out but I'm still giving a negative review and not buying any MTX.
I was thinking that Horizon Forbidden West had fucked up again and set their PC release for the same day as Dragon's Dogma 2.
But for once it actually worked out in their favour. Dragon's Dogma 2 has an awful PC port, while HFW is running very well.
Except that it runs like shit on consoles too
The original dragons dogma had poor quality of life features and its arguably a large part of the appeal. No fast travel, no multiple saves. If you didn’t like your little ai character you had to advance pretty far to change it (and the same with fast travel, it sort of existed and was a surprisingly cool unique system but you had to get through a lot of the game for it). I’d compare it in a lot of ways to the first dark souls as far as not following gaming industry trends.
I was hoping dragons dogma 2 was more of the same honestly, I don’t think I care if travel stones can be purchased or whatever. Is it a bad game for those that liked the first one?
I think the hate is them essentially selling a difficulty slider.
Been playing it since release and I have to say I quite like it. The mtx is less intrusive than Dragon Age Origins' DLC (no mention in game at all versus "There's a person bleeding out on the road, if you want to help him please go to the store page").
So far, the game is a buttery smooth 60 fps at 4k max graphics + FSR3 w/o ray tracing except for inside the capital city (running 7800x3d with a 7900xtx). The only graphics complaint I have is the FSR implementation is pretty bad, with small amounts of ghosting under certain lighting conditions. There's also a noticeable amount of input lag compared to the first game: not game breaking, but if you do a side-by-side comparison it's pretty obvious.
Sure the game has its issues, but right now this looks like something that I enjoy. Games don't need to be masterworks to be fun (my favorite games are some old niche JRPGs that have been absolutely demolished by reviewers at the time), and right now I think it's money well spent.
I’ll most likely end up picking it up and I’m glad it runs well. The reception has been wild to me. I loved all the jankiness of dragon’s dogma but I feel like a lot of people are buying this sequel and not knowing what to expect
I wonder how many of those critically acclaimed reviews are going to be Rewritten. Certainly you'd have to be a completely lacking Integrity not to realize you were Bamboozled when you're giving a different product than the public is to review.
Saw this game on PS5 and was about to get it when I saw all the "packs" and other bull shit. Noped right out.
This gives me hope that all gamers won't just roll over and take it. But Capcom could react in different ways, they could do better or they could just quit releasing games on Steam. Wonder if they have already asked if Steam could disable reviews for them?
I've got 15 hours in it and have played all weekend.
There are some performance issues, but overall, I've had a blast playing it.
All of the game content is accessible for the sticker price you paid, so yeah, I couldn't care less about the microtransaction aspect of things.
It sucks that micro transactions exist at all, but I've been playing the game and haven't even opened the store at all, and the game seems pretty good. Is there any actual negativity on the actual game play, or is all the negativity sorry about the micro transactions? Because if that's the only drawback, then that's not really that bad.
A lot of players were having crashing on startup or during character creator, so that could account for some valid criticism. But from those who have it running well (according to two of my buddies so totally anecdotal) the gameplay is pretty great.
I had heard PC was having some issues with that, but to be honest, that's nearly every release these days. But I can understand why it might be frustrating.
I like RPG games, however I don't like it when the company has the ability and incentive to bate and switch my game into a worse version after I bought it.
Denuvo forces me to be connected to the internet, which makes playing the game on the move difficult or even impossible. It also allows them to make sure that the most current version is played. MTX means they don't have incentives to fix the game and instead sell you the fixes, or even enshittyfy it, to squeeze out more money.
This gives me the incentive to wait a couple of years, until the game doesn't receive any updates anymore, and then decide if the final product is worth it. And hope that I will get a good experience out of it, before the Denuvo activation servers are shut down.
So you have to wait for a few years, in order to know if the gameplay is (and stays) any good.
My personal complaints (despite enjoying the gameplay):
I didn’t know we were only allowed to write reviews based on things critical to your progress. I didn’t know how many companions you have or what your character looks like weren’t critical. I bet if we searched even a little we’d find a RockPaperShotgun review of “non critical” game features.
What horseshit.
MTX have become normalized and it's fucking depressing to see. So many people defend their existence, truly a sad time for the industry.
From what I heard it costs $2 to change your characters appearance. I watched moist criticals video on it kept crashing.
You can get the items for free by finding them or pay barbers in the villages for it instead. Similar to the first game, the first one was just niche so didn’t have a huge crowd throwing fits instead of reading or even playing the game
It doesn’t. You can do it in game for free very easily. You really should not get all your opinions from YouTubers
"Of course they don't stop progress... you'll just be stuck grinding for way way longer with our patented unfuntm systems unless you pay,
peasantvalued consumer"You can walk from the start of the game at the beginning of the hallway, to the end of the game at the end of the hallway, entirely unobstructed by MTX!
The fact that the two-dozen doors on either side of the hallway, containing entire worlds of content, are locked has no negative impact on your ability to enjoy the game that was never marketed as a hallway simulator.
Sure, it's not perfect, but you don't have to focus on little details like a drama queen. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
I love how in your example “perfect” is not having moneygrubbing microtransactions and the “good” compromise we’re supposed to accept is the microtransactions the chose to put in for no purpose other than money
"how many companions you have"
????? Renting companions of your level has always been free, they only cost rift crystals if they are higher than you. Killing strong monsters and getting your pawn rented give plenty resources.
The character creation tome is easy to get, idk what to tell you.
If you want to throw horseshit to a wall, not this one please. If you had played the game you wouldn't have even mentioned half of what you did.
“They only cost rift crystals if they’re a higher level than you”
Ah yes this is additional value and content that you should pay money for, right? It’s not core gameplay to recruit companions regardless of their level like in almost every fucking game I’ve ever played right?
Imagine licking boot so hard that you actually believe this
Even if you don't play mobile games, this is a good read: https://www.darkpattern.games/
You’re not supposed to actually know anything about the game here. This is purely a thread for circlejrrking based off of what YouTubers said
I get what they mean. A lot of the MTX seems to be items that you genuinely would find very readily in the game. Paying simply gives you a type of “very easy” mode if you’re for some reason inclined.
It’s a…. Strange decision, as it makes the game look bad. But by all accounts it doesn’t really impact the gameplay of the game. It’s just like giving you the option buy Phoenix Downs in Final Fantasy with real money. You… can. You really don’t need to, 98% of players won’t.
It’s goofy more than anything. I guess I’d rather have it rather than day 1 expansion packs like Mass Effect had.
I love how certain consumers seems to have trained away their gag reflex.
Uh fast travel and character appearance change? This isn't some extra health potions. They've carved off part of the UI.