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hot take, feel free to dunk but holy shit, all the posts from white people being like "let's kill all the white people" is insufferable "i'm one of the good ones!" nonsense and it really should stop

saying something this edgy does not absolve you of bigotry

edit: for anyone stumbling into the drama, i probably should have elaborated on this post. I am not saying you can't make fun of white people not being able to eat spicy food or anything, but at some point it becomes self-flagellating. to quote comrade RedQuestionAsker:

It's good to challenge white supremacy in all of its incarnations at all time. It's certainly good to refuse to be proud to be white considering what the concept of whiteness is.

It's another thing to performatively hate yourself in a cocktail of millennial self-deprecation and liberal white guilt. It's not revolutionary, and it's probably not good for you.

that is all. comrades just know i dont hate any of you. i'm not trying to start a slapfight. i just saw this as weird performative behavior and wanted to call it out.

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  • Personally, I would like to see some of that energy being used for more productive anti-racist actions

    But then again, this a website for little goofy people sometimes and that means that people will be little and goofy sometimes

  • On a non edgy note, being white but having class consciousness and being anti racist in cracker town USA sucks. The shit white people say to you that they think is acceptable is insane. It's like the power and privilege just poisons their souls. Whiteness as an institution/class, whatever it is, legit needs to be destroyed.

  • You need to understand white people need of making everything about them. Is like basically their only culture.

  • Yeah, that's what I've been saying. It's desperate, it's sad, and they all end up saying "no I don't actually mean kill all white people I mean to critique the concept of whiteness" THEN DO THAT INSTEAD OF WRITING THE SAME TIRED JOKE

    You're not critiquing anything by making an ironic call for genocide. Critique the concept of whiteness then, and do it in a provocative way.
    Most don't even mean to do that, they just hate racism or whatever, but they know that's a dumbass thing to write, because who doesn't hate racism? So instead they write something that will give them validation.

    The worst post so far was the skiing one. Motherfucker you're talking about rich people, not white people.

    Also this type of post comes around every few months, and this is the first time I haven't seen people make unironic actual calls for white genocide - as in "yes actually I think we should kill all people that are classified as white. I think actual genocide is good when it's against white people" (If you read this statement and think "hell yeah" then get help, you're not a good person for wanting to kill people) - so at least that's something.
    I think this type of post helps reinforce to people that they can say and think what they want with no need for introspection, because they're "leftist" so they obviously have the rigjt opinion and they therefore never need to stop and consider wether they're doing something fucked up.

  • Abolishment of white supremacy necessarily results in the erasure of the core of White identity since whiteness is a construct that is rooted in the idea of white superiority.

  • Making another post because I wonder if the sheer amount of white people doing it is because, unlike what reactionaries think, non-white comrades aren’t actually “reverse racist” against white people, and probably are genuinely uncomfortable with doing the bit. I might be wrong, I’m a white

    so I don’t know for sure.

    It could also have something to do with the fact that statements of hatred against all white people is something that meets physical consequences in the real world for non-white people when they say it, so unlike white people who are able to say it without consequence, non-white comrades have to struggle past the ever-present implicit threat that white supremacy poses to make any such statement.

    So these two things might be why we usually see “fuck all kkkrakkkers” type posts made by white people. It’s both a lot more awkward to jokingly deride a group you’re not a part of, and similar behavior is more likely to receive backlash by white supremacist forces IRL when it is done by non-white as opposed to white people (I only use “non-white” as a signifier here to denote between people with and without white privilege)

  • My list of my three least favorite things in the world:

    • Protestants
    • Suburbanites
    • Cops

    Are you happy? I didn't explicitly say I hate white people, I only hate the three whitest institutions that they hold dear.

  • Those threads always read like an upgraded version of what a lawn-sign liberal might say: "ooh! I'll genocide myself for you! Unlimited Genocide, too! This will be the generation we fix systemic racism!" White guilt havers are willing to grovel, but not willing to put in any work. And then the hiding behind "it was a joke bro, just a prank." It's a big reason why I don't post on this site more often.

  • its a Usian thing I think, you've got a peculiar and unresolved relationship with so-called 'race' - your government still subscribes to racial theory in its administrative definitions. The arguments tend to be different (more pertinent to the issues) in other countries, and in 'non-white' US.

    of course, color is an aesthetic argument, and it isn't an intrinsic property of a thing or person (and 'white' is indisputably a type of color). And aesthetic arguments, like the debates about 'taste' when it comes to media or consumption, are somewhat pointless. I think people argue about aesthetics when they've got no other pressing concerns, which isn't a bad thing per se, just unrelatable to people who do have those pressing concerns.

    obviously, this is a US website (like most websites) so its to be expected that you have these kind of discussions, and hyperbole is a natural aspect of that. But really, it might be good to remember to be somewhat internationalist, and be aware that attitudes/understandings toward terminology, and also to so-called 'race' aren't universal. These kind of discussions, on this topic, are very insular.

    I don't mean to criticise, I can see where the sides are coming from and why the arguments happen like they do here. But really, it makes no sense to say 'white people', referring to a kind of construct, outside of the US (and probably inside parts of the US). People will just read it as the skin color, or a proxy for or reference to 'racial theory'.

    It would be better, and more accurate I think, to refer to yourselves (the 'white people' of the US) as European settler-colonists, since that's what you are. 400 years isn't that long at all - line 5-10 people up in space, and its not much at all, line them up in time/generations and you get 400 years.

    Really, in the sense of a paradigm of understanding the world around us, leftism is a religion, albeit a generally atheistic/untheistic one like some east Asian 'religions'/philosophies (you can see its origins and similarities in other religious movements like the Hussites for example or the Zaydi Islam). So its to be expected that self-flagellation occurs. But self-flagellation is just self-indulgence - maybe useful for some, but not for the many.

  • I'm the whitest guy who ever whited. If I go outside in the sun for ten minutes my skin flakes off. But I still find it kind of weird to have "white" as an identity rather than just a skin color. Maybe it's because not being American I was brought up with a different set of brainworms but "white" as an identity seems to be so devoid of any meaning, outside of white supremacy, compared to actual ethnicity or culture where you have a history, a language, a shared set of myths and folklore and traditions and whatnot.

    I understand that you would want to rebel if you had a white identity pushed on you and understand how problematic the concept of whiteness is but I can't help feeling that all the self-deprecating anti-white posting is just another way of expressing whiteness as an identity. It's not something that bothers me a lot but it still feels a little weird.

    What would be an actually interesting discussion to have would be one about deconstructing whiteness both on a larger scale such as in societies and in organisations and on how you handle being given white privilege on a personal level.

  • I guess i don't see it much differently than calling for the genocide of colonizers or

    . Like it's not that deep. It's fun to dunk on people who take anti-whiteness seriously. But i'm sorry it makes you feel uncomfortable and like mayos are trying to absolve themselves of their mayoness. I guess i just see it as white people rejecting white supremacy and punching up at white people who believe in white supremacy or race """science""", which seems harmless to me. But thanks for sharing your point of view.

  • I feel like I was just talking about smth adjacent to this in c/em_poc the other day.

    There’s a formulating barb in my head about how these crackers might be just as bad as 4channers in some ways about expropriating Black rage but I don’t have the words measured, hammered out, and concrete for it yet.

    Y'all are super-duper loud about crackers; (In this community discussion sense, cracker == settler; as opposed to the whole of caucasity) to a point that genuinely does start feeling performative. Like yeah, I'm finna laugh when a well timed "unlimited death" jumps out there, weaponizing fear of the "gReAt RePlAcEmEnT" against crackers will always be great fun-- but some days looking at the hexbear feed, it feels like I'm watching reverse-Mantan. Like, if anti-minstrel shows were a thing, if white minstrelry based itself in performative contrition and public self-flagellation, that's what some of the bits start feeling like after a while-- ESPECIALLY when a dozen of those type posts drop in a three day span.

    Kind of a goofy bit to constantly return to, and vaguely discomforting to watch continue. Like... If you're really 'one of the good ones' like you claim to be (collective, not singular; don't wear the shoe if it don't fit), then it doesn't need to be that loud all the time, feel me?

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