YSK that fracking is not safe. Residents living near fracking sites are significantly more likely to get cancer
Proximity to fracking sites associated with risk of childhood cancer
The entire concept of fracking is that you drill into a fissure, then blast it full of a dangerous chemical slurry so that it eventually forces natural gas out of the fissure. Then when all the natural gas is gone, they pack up and leave with their money. The chemical slurry stays in the ground forever, leaching into water tables, public waterways, potentially contaminating soil used for live stock and agriculture.
We literally have a visible ball of unlimited fusion energy in the fucking sky, and natural tides that can power tidal generators, but no, let's just poison the shit out of everyone for a slightly better profit margin...
Geothermal, wind, tide, hydro, solar… and then even nuclear. All ways to just create unlimited energy. But, because the elite enslave us to the status quo, through the jobs that keep it going… here we are.
we havnt tapped into geothermal like scifi does, we have the other ones though.
Then why did it take until 1859 for human population to start trending up and reach 8 billion?
I'll help you: oil. The ancient Romans had geothermal, wind, tide, solar, and hydro as well.
They had the exact same energy we do now. The difference is we have power, they didn't.
I'll help you again. You can't fertilize crops with electricity, or make plastic.
The cheaper energy becomes, the more of a threat it is to literally all of the world's heirarchies of power. The people at the top that benefit most from these heirarchies and who have the most control are also the most disincentivized from finding a solution that makes energy cheaper for all.
Solar is already a way cheaper way to make energy. Fossil fuels for electrical energy are only profitable due to large government handouts and steep tarries on Chinese electronics such as solar panels. Economic forces always win so renewables powering most of the grid is inevitable.
The real issue is that vehicles and aircraft need something with equivalent energy density and battery technology just isn't that good yet and will take a long time to get that good.
The other thing is economically it's cheaper to run a lot of ff powered devices at a higher rate than to invest in a replacement to run at a lower rate. The roi just isn't goof enough. Eg Almost all new heating systems are heat pumps but the economic cost of replacing a gas heater with a heat pump just isn't worth it.
I’m an educator, and I’m forbidden from taking about fracking at work ( ° ͜ʖ °)
Right, but that visible ball isn't reliable. You have no idea when it's going to work or not.
If anyone cares, sunset is at 9:04 PM today.
It works all the fucking time. The sun doesn't turn off. You attach batteries to the solar panels that way if there are clouds you can just use what's in the batteries and if it's a sunny day and you don't need the extra energy you store it in the batteries until you do. And if it's really cloudy in your area... Get a windmill.
For the record, the current technology we have to capture renewable energy is not capable of supporting the civilization we have built compared to how efficient oil and natural gas are as energy-dense molecules. Only very recently has battery technology come far enough to make it worth it to move a semi-truck any reasonable distance, but cargo ships are still going to be difficult to replace and account for a huge amount of pollution, as well as commerce we depend on. So it's not a "slightly better profit margin", as it would range from a literal decimation of society to straight up impossible to cut out all fossil fuels today.
But we should have started a global, methodical transition over 40 years ago, and the free market control over government and media has systematically prevented that. And THAT is unacceptable.
I’ll agree with we should have started 40 years ago. We knew we should have and we did have sufficient technology to take other paths.
But I’ll disagree on whether we have the technology now. There was a recent post on Lemmy that in a sunny place like Las Vegas, you could replace 97% of energy generation with renewables and batteries. Cheaper. Not just that you can but that it’s cheaper. We have the technology.
The challenge is always to bring the cost down. We do have technology to create aviation fuel from green sources. We do have several options for fueling shipping that we know how to do. Even if we’re just making ammonia or hydrogen or green diesel, that is a huge step forward that we have the technology for. The problem is we don’t yet have a compelling economic case to (especially since climate change is externalized, not counted as a cost), nor anyone with the fortitude to make it so
Yeah, to flip the switch now, all at once would be incredibly disruptive. But we knew this was going to happen over 40 years ago. Shit, all elected officials in the US had to do was follow the plan that Jimmy Carter laid out.
I also seriously question the numbers saying that tidal, solar, and wind power can't provide enough to sustain the status quo. Yeah, powering a ship across the ocean can be hard... But you also have an essentially unlimited supply of wind and tidal power for a ship out on the ocean and quite a bit of solar power although it's not as reliable.
I mean it may take a little bit longer for the overall journey but you could pause and just bob up and down in the ocean to recharge the batteries in a cargo ship or move the slower speed while you recharge. That's not even exploring options like hybrid sail / battery powered ships
cargo ships are still going to be difficult to replace
Nuclear.
Terrible "externalities" for humanity are what enables "profit" for capital.
Don't worry! Texas just passed a law allowing reclaimed fracking water to irrigate crops. That way everyone can get cancer!
Them girls look scared shitless at the end of that.
is this not common knowledge?
Kinda? I mean you would think so but they spend millions on propaganda.
It’s common sense, but obfuscated by those still spending millions to deny climate change while the world literally burns around us. Gaslighting is a hell of a propaganda technique.
Gaslighting is old-hat man.
Nowadays it's kitchen-faucet-lighting.
also funding things like "curbing your carbon footprint companies", so these pollutors dont need to lower thier emissions. seen them alot as a promotion in channels talking about nature, animals etc. the channel owners were cognizant enough to stop promoting it, once those companies have been called out as backed by OIL industry.
I was talking to a coworker at my last job about how fracking introduces dangerous chemical into the water supply, and a random guy we never talk to came up and said “OH YOU’RE WRONG ABOUT FRACKING” like his job depended on it… we were not at all related to fracking
yea, but cancer = more medical bills. that's just a bonus add-on to the oil profits
you see, it raises the GDP!!!
I have experienced earthquakes. In Kansas City, Missouri. One had an epicenter near Stillwater, Oklahoma.
That’s not supposed to happen.
The things you’re saying are supposed to be suppressed
I’m sorry, did anyone think fracking was safe?
Lots of people have tried to convince us it's safe. Those are the people making money from fracking.
$it's $completely $ fine$ everyone$ should $ frack.
Using fracking if you could have electric cars shows that it is all about spoiling ground water.
This is the preparation for selling water to everybody.
Everyone not being paid to do it would tell you it's a bad idea. They break rocks in the substrata with no idea of how it will go or what effects it might have. Awuafers have been poisoned with natural gas, water tables have been ruined and misdirected. When the well is no longer profitable, they "cap" it and move on to greener pastures, letting the remaining gas bleed off into the environment unchecked. There are dozens of problems with fracking, but gas go boom so...
Yes yes, but think of the shareholder profits. Thats what really matters here, not these childish fantasies about the horrible nature of frakking and the fact that it makes water flammable! /s
Is this "fracking"?
"Fracking (also known as hydraulic fracturing, fracing, hydrofracturing, or hydrofracking) is a well stimulation technique involving the fracturing of formations in bedrock by a pressurized liquid."
Well since it says "fracking" then that means it is fracking
It's either that... Or maybe they're talking about getting freaky on Battlestar Gallactica? It's hard to tell.
Thank you.
Wanted to fetch the description of the thing...
I just hope I got it right 😅
And earthquakes
Also literal fire for tap water
And Mongolian death worms.
Even longer than that.
But gas means money, so fuck anyone and everything else that might get in the way.
Good luck finding land that is not near fracking sites. It's been done basically everywhere, right?
yes and no. You would like to do it in relatively cheap and less populated area, and where cracks are a bit closer to surface (you do not want to drill a lot, as that would not be economically beneficial)
There isn't gas or oil everywhere.
And still there's politicians out there saying things like "I will not ban fracking. I did not as vice president. In fact, I cast the tie-breaking vote to open up more fracking leases". Playing with people's lives just to make a buck. Really shows they're not beholden to the people but to the owning class.
that's BS there's plenty of studies that shows how fracking is very healthy (for the shareholders)
Those kids are very bad people, at least one of them has links to the MS-13 gang.
And the others had shared sensitive pokemon information with that one. biggest threat to national security.
Adding more data to a conclusion every reasonable person knows has been happening for far too long.
If someone "knew" before we had data, that's not my definition of reasonable.
That is why they said "adding more data." We already know tons of other bad shit about it, now we know an additional bad thing.
water is wet
But my freedom...
Good that we in Europe can't buy Russian oil or gas (officiall) and get that beautiful fracking gas from the US regime or equally marvelous Qatar at 8 times the price.
And nicely shipped in an endless stream of diesel tankers.
What a fracking good deal.
Some Lemmy communities would die than realize the environmental harm Europe is doing to itself to make enemies with Russia
Europe isn’t making enemies with Russia, bud. Russia literally attacked them, it’s not “making enemies” to engage in self-defense and to not fund the people attacking you.
There is a wild documentary called Gasland that took a look at Fracking. The movie used IR glasses to look at a fracking site that was in use. With the naked eye you couldn’t see anything, with the IR glasses there was steady stream of black exhaust that just flowed into a near by town.
The number of tractor trailer’s of liquids that go into a fracking site is astronomical.