Eurovision: Israel's result prompts questions over voting
Eurovision: Israel's result prompts questions over voting
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Eurovision: Israel's result prompts questions over voting
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/30155120
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Russia was banned from competing within a week of their invasion of Ukraine yet, Israel is still allowed to compete?
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It's a joke...
Votes were always political BS, they ban a bunch of very legitimate things like the pride flag and Palestine flag, yet they don't mind having a country in the process of committing genocide in it.
Look, the 7.10 was terrible, Israel had every right to fight back. But genocide is genocide and it is not self defense.
Fuck Hamas, fuck Israel and fuck the Eurovision.
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It's so hard to voice this opinion online. Both are the bad guys and really fucking bad ones at that. Clear as day.
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There are no good guys. Just bad guys and maaaany innocent victims.
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Yeah, it was also clearly political before, like Ukraine's win tbh
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It's bots
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The very simple fact Israel, a middle eastern country, is allowed in an European event, raises the fact that it is allowed because populated by (mostly) settlers of European descent.
Lebanon is not allowed, albeit being closer.
Turkey is not allowed, albeit having a part of its territory in Europe.
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Australia participates in Eurovision
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Cool disinformation.
Any country is allowed if they are full members of the European Broadcasting Union or paid 'associate Members' that are invited to compete by the EBU.
Lebanon is absolutely allowed - as are any EBU full members. However their national broadcaster has declined to join the contest due to their own laws prohibiting the transmission of any Israeli content, and their concerns of this being impossible with Israel being members of the competition.
Turkey has been part of Eurovision over 30 times and even won and hosted the competion in 2004. They withdrew in 2013 citing criticisms with the rules of the competition and have not competed since - their government's choice, so blame Erdogan.
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Why is a non-European country in the contest at all?
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why are any countries but greece in the olympics?
because times change and events transform to include more people who enjoy participating
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It's organised by the EBU, which has included Israel since 1957: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Broadcasting_Union
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From memory something to do with the range of broadcasting. Not sure.
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perhaps to begin with (the distinction is members of or invited by the EBU so broadcast range seems reasonable), but given that australia participates now the criteria seems like it’s changed
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I thinks it's now more about style of the song than where the singer is from.
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I hope my country stops participating in Eurovision. There's no saving it.
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It's sad but most people just don't care. They will go to Qatar to watch football at stadiums built using slave labor and they will go to a song contest with Israel in it. As long as tickets are selling nothing will change.
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A lot of fascists in each country voting in unison for Israel while non-fascists votes got split up between all the other participants.
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Exactly. Fraud is not necessary to explain this result.
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Ban Russia from everything, but obviously Israel is a "special case" where the rules of humanity has been suspended so they may do unto others, what was done to them.
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what was done to them.
Israel is not governed by holocaust survivors. They just like to pretend it is in order to use misplaced sympathy as a "get away with anything" card
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If Eurovision is non-political, invite Russia back to participate.
No fucking chance. The hypocrisy is astounding. Butchering innocent people is okay when the perpetrator is friendly to the west.
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Well, 11 out of 37 total Eurovision participants are under threat of direct russian attack in the future, two of which already attacked and under occupation i.e. Georgia and Ukraine, so you'd ignore that at your own risk. Most eurovision countries have greater (urgent) self-interest in grounding russia before doing the same with israel, but I wouldn't say it is impossible, especially as genocide bibi starts to blame everyone for every stupid thing he does and diplomatic relations deteriorate.
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It's technically not countries participating, but broadcasters and they need to be independent of state control. The russian broadcasters were not kicked out for the russian invasion of Ukraine, but for being state controlled. They were accused of this for a long time and the invasion was the final straw.
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That's right, you're making a point. Now, though, people in the comments will explain to you why you're wrong...
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MoroccanOil is main sponsor of Eurovision, and it is Israeli company.
It's all about he money, babyy
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How much money an obscure cosmetics company (never heard before today, from the name I assumed it was something like Saudi Aramco) is paying that they can't find another sponsor that pays the same or even more?
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They have $750M revenue, definitely they can spend tens of millions in advertising .
Edit: tried to also get some info how much money EBU (owner of Eurovision) does. Seems that they don't make them public any more, which is bit sus. 2021 was last that I found and they made around $400M, and "other revenue" were I assume advertisement deals are was $50M.
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I wouldn't call them obscure. Their hair products are very well known. Hoping they aren't as popular anymore, but I don't have that kind of trust in people...
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Lol, just now? Eurovision has been political charade the entire fucking time. It's not "best artist wins" it's friend countries voting for eachother.
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Being a popularity contest is not a problem. It’s always been like that, it’s “whatever”. Like it, don’t like. Doesn’t matter.
But Israel manipulating votes to “artwash” genocide is a whole different bag of cats, and very wrong.
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Agreed. It’s disgusting.
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When countries vote for their neighbour, that is usually not enough to change the end result. The most popular song usually still wins. But Israel is assembling political votes all across Europe. Only a few percent of the voters need to be rallied to completely overtake the public votes. Also considering that Israel supporters are motivated to vote 20 times, people voting for their favorite song will likely only vote a few times, if at all.
Yes, Eurovision has always been political to some degree, but it hasn't really swayed the results this much ever before.
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Its gotten worse for every year
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Bye losers, some/most of the israelis citizens don't even stand up against genocide by their own leader, **** off then
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The reason we don’t have a Western Hemisphere version is because it would be too much to watch everyone wash Drake in Spanish, French, Navajo, Portuguese, various indigenous languages, etc. Give that man some time to reconsider his decisions. Imagine getting roasted by one of the last speakers of an endangered Mayan dialect. That’s too much. And DJ Mustard has a busy schedule. He can’t make beats for every culture.
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Was Elon Musk and/or Starlink involved?
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