We Study Fascism at Yale. We’re Leaving the U.S.
We Study Fascism at Yale. We’re Leaving the U.S.
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Opinion | We Study Fascism, and We’re Leaving the U.S.
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Must be nice to be able to afford to run.
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We need an "I'm an academic expert on fascism. Of you see me running try and keep up" tee shirt
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My therapist called me a canary in the coal mine. I'm trans, I have the means to move, basically it was a "if you leave suddenly I'll know things have gotten really bad". I've almost gotten everything lined up to move on a plan but I'm still keeping my bug out bag around in case something bad enough happens I need to leave day of to try and get past the border
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It should have been clear when the police was cracking down on the university protests in 2024.
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2024? Not Bush II? Full blown fascism has just been on the back burner for a long time.
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Well, I'm glad you have the privilege to do so, I suppose.
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Well, why don't the 250 million Americans who didn't vote for trump just also move to Canada???
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Would be nice but you can't simply move to any other country you want. Other countries have enacted similar stupid immigration laws just like the US. There isn't a single country where US citizens can just move (except the US of course). It's like a curse. The orange in the WH would need to do something really f'ed for other countries to accept american asylum applications. personally I wish I could just bag and go
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Someone once told me to just apply to be a refugee and move to Canada, as a response to complaining about trump supporters in my area. They weren't even a trump supporter themselves. Bruh, I doubt Canada wants my disabled and out of work ass, even if it was just that simple.
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Well at least you can exclude roughly 81 million eligible non voters. Fuck em.
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They could just take a few weeks off of work all at once and watch the government come to its knees.
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Oh, it opens with a 6min unskippable video. instead of an article, on a website that still has the line "Today's Paper" at the top of the page.
At this point I'm convinced that the NYT is living in the 2000s.
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Good for them.
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Must be nice.
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Well we all know that Fascism experts are the least important people to have around when Fascism takes over a country.
Technically you can criticize from afar but it's good to have fascism experts on the front lines.
This is also an incredibly privileged thing to be able to do and one that the vast majority of the most vulnerable and likely to be on the camp list are stuck here and would like some experts to help fight back.
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Well we all know that Fascism experts are the least important people to have around when Fascism takes over a country.
Historically nobody fucking listens to fascism experts so yeah that's true. Looking at the pace Trump is democracy at and the state of "resistance" to his regime, I'd bail too, and I didn't spend my whole career studying the horrors of fascism.
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The thing they are good for us as a canary in a coal mine, which is why they publish this.
Most miners would act when the candy dies out of experience. Most people with poor understanding of history lack the experience.
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Well, that was a little terrifying
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Good idea - it's best to study fascism from a healthy distance.
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considering the actions of the current administration it would have probably been better to publish this after leaving the US
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If they were genuinely afraid, sure.
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I suspect they're willing to take the risk to try and warn others. This is sort of a middle ground approach. They're banking on Trump not being able to retaliate in time before they leave the country, he's moving fast, but he's not at the imprison political opponents stage yet. He will be soon, but they've got some time.
In the meantime, it serves as a warning to us and others to get out if you can.
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To be fair many of the US media outlets, among which is also the New York Times often refused to call out the utter nonsense that Trump was spewing during the campaign. This is also a reason it has come to the current situation.
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Took them long enough.
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I read the summary on the archive page. I'm not impressed.
Let's go with the premise that I believe that the American fascist movement is here. So what do I do with that? We can't all just move to Toronto, and if we could it wouldn't help anyone else. So...?
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Where would you even move to?
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"Fascist expert", hm like, a historian ? lol sorry I don't speak the nytimes-language
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Not just historian, but a specific type of political historian. “Historian” is a broad umbrella - Snyder is the only one I’ve read, but he’s very much focused specifically on authoritarianism, fascism and genocide. His Bloodlands is kinda the book on mass killings by Nazis and the USSR.
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Adios! Thanks for taking the money!
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"As the leading experts on this topic we feel that the best course of action is to hide. We feel that anyone else would be better suited to help address something that is so bad we believe it will eventually lead to global turmoil."
And people have the audacity to think that most of these modern academics are nepotistic charlatans and spineless cowards. Pssshhhaawww.
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These experts sound like they rolled high for their intelligence stat, but low for wisdom.
As an expert, they should know how well hiding has historically worked against fascists. Eventually, the only place that ends up being available to hide in is the mass grave the fascists dug for you.
How about fighting before it gets worse? How about you make the thin skinned idiots scared to be so openly fascist? How about showing them there is a resistance against their behaviour instead of immediate capitulation at the earliest necessity of protest.
Because from where I'm sitting, running away encourages fascists to think they're scary enough to avoid the consequences of their actions via intimidation. Yet, they're a bunch of old geriatric idiots that take offense for calling their hands small.
Fucking calling them names works better than running away.
Running away makes it seem like sticks and stones are necessary when words will always hurt them.
All thats needed to beat these idiots is a stream of childish insults being lobbed at them publically at a near constant rate. Trump would literally quit being president if he had to hear about having a small dick, hands, and brain everyday. But heaven forbid such a stupid solution ever be pursued by academics. (Despite it being incredibly effective when Trump did the same to Biden).
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Thank you for saying what I wanted to say. Also just going to point out that the modern American fascists are incredibly stupid meaning that once you abandon civility they become rather easy to deal with, especially if you can keep your cool while getting them wound up. As you said why use sticks and stones when words are still effective.
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Ahh but they're calling it a protest because they got an NyTimes article written about their leaving.
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The New York Times never fails to reveal its close adherence to its century-plus role as entertainment for the well-to-do who want to play in the trappings of intellectualism without ever having their status quo truly challenged.
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