‘Because of my Instagram posts?’ AOC swerves questions on 2028 presidential run

She will run, and the DNC will sheepdog her like they did Bernie, keeping everyone herded up in the party until they realized they got fucked over, again.
- Bernie’s being doing some rallies with her recently. If I were to guess, Bernie’s not going to run for POTUS again, he’s going to endorse her.
  
  Bernie could get the VP nod.
  
  The Great Sheepdog Tour
- And both she and liberals will still keep defending the party after it.
  
  Yes, she's never questioned the party leadership or directions. :rolls eyes:
  She'd be better in party leadership and not pursue the Presidency (yet).
- So if not her then who will it be?
  
  Another neoliberal.
  
  Shapiro from Pennsylvania. Pro-genocide, loves billionaires, condescending. Ticks all the boxes.
  
  newsom. It's already newsom.
  
  The face, gender, or race doesn't matter, it will be someone that's not a threat to the existence of the neolib establishment.
  
  Pritzker, maybe?

I want AOC to be President, but I think Americans are too sexist to vote for her. We're a callow, superficial people.
- We also thought Americans were too racist to vote for a black man.
  IMHO, Americans will always prioritize swagger, the ability to clearly call bullshit, and the ability to generate hype and a sense of connection.
  This is why Americans vote for celebrities and actors.
  
  I kind of see where you're coming from - there's an imperfect fungibility of bigotry. If you're bigoted against one kind of person, it's not hard to make you bigoted against another, it just takes a little propaganda.
  But it's not a secret that young men broke for Trump by over 10%. I attribute that swing to the manosphere podcast circuit working round the clock this past election, and Elon Musk purchasing voters with his "sweepstakes."
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election#Exit_poll
  2020, Biden: 81,283,501 2020, Trump: 74,223,975
  2024, Harris: 75,017,613 2024, Trump: 77,302,580
  These numbers suggest that not only did more people vote for Trump than in 2020, even after living through the fucked COVID response, even after seeing January 6, more people chose not to vote at all. And it's a 50/50 split: Trump converted 3 million votes from Biden, and 3 million more just stayed home.
  
  Not sure about that. I agree americans love the celerberties but Think women's rights vs black men right to vote. Black men had more rights before women for like 50 years. Its gonna be a bit for the old folks to die off and even then we got those Tate trolls trying to keep status quo.
  Also Obama wasn't even "full black" and that was too much for some people. Probably sooner see a Hispanic dude than a full black guy or a woman. Its gonna be like that scene in head of state with people running to polls to stop Chris rock.
- I want AOC to be president, and think that the "Americans are too sexist to vote for a woman (now that a progressive woman might run)" argument is being used to hold back all women in order to hold back one woman.
- This line is coming from neoliberals who can't understand why Hillary and Kamala lost and are blaming sexism because they can't come to terms with the fact that the American people are turning away from the establishment in its entirety.
  Yes, sexism is a problem in America. No, it is not why liberals are losing.
  
  American people are turning away from the establishment in its entirety.
  Biden won 2020, and I think it's safe to say he was fairly establishment.
  Edit: And as much as we want to forget, Trump was President of the United States from 2016 to 2020. He IS an establishment candidate. He wants the establishment of an authoritarian fascist regime that unlawfully, violently silences his critics and imprisons or murders the minority group of his choosing.
  Call me what you like, but I think you have more in common with me than with MAGA. And if your IFF is malfunctioning, well, I hope you get it checked out soon.
- Not all of us. Dudes for AOC!
  
  I'm with you. Believe me, nothing would make me happier than being wrong.
- I also want AOC to be president....starting now.
- And also, it is Hillary her turn.

I want Tim as president and AOC as vice since I dont want to risk the bunch of idiots who wont vote for a woman fucking everything up again.
- Kamala's campaign wasn't fucked because she's a woman, it was fucked because she's a careerist who doesn't believe in anything.
  
  Two things can be true.
  I know a lot of women who didn't vote for her because she was a woman. Shit is crazy to me, but that doesn't mean it's not the reality. I'm sure there are a shocking number of people who didn't vote for her because she's a woman.
- This is the ideal progressive ticket, IMO. It's not as scary for the mid as having a female President (grow the fuck up, guys), but she'll still be able to provide her support and opinion far above her current station. People seem to really like Tim, which is great.
  But in the end none of it matters. They're all historically pro-Israel and people don't forget that. They've begun to change their tune, but only just now. It seems disingenuous to get votes, which just seems...hollow.
  
  Not sure I read your comment right, but are you saying. That Tim Walz's and AOC's support for Israel is the single-issue that's stopping Democrats - or at the very least Walz/AOC - from winning elections?
  I mean, if it were that easy...
- Tim? The guy who said he's an idiot sometimes? He was picked because he was viewed as a safe choice.

If the Democrats were wise they would choose the next candidate now in order to get the party going in a specific direction, just like the Republicans have done unofficially from 2020 to 2024
- As a Democrat, no one has ever accused my party of being smart.
- perhaps, but democrats are held to a higher standard
  any tiny misstep - or even correct step that the republicans figure out how to spin - over the next few years would poison the waters
  
  By this logic the Dems held onto Biden and then Harris with the intent to loose the election. Which... kind of makes sense given how they were more focused on keeping progressives out, as these seem to be the real danger from their perspective, not the fascists under Trump.
  
  sorta sounds like they needed to fix that problem
- If the Democrats were wise they would choose the next candidate now in order to get the party going in a specific direction
  As though they haven't already chosen both the person and the direction. It's newsom and rightward, respectively.
  
  I'm talking about officially doing their primary right now. Look at how it works in a parliamentary system, if a party loses its leader there's an official interim leader taking their place until a new one is selected and that leader/interim leader is officially the one choosing in what direction the party is going. The party doesn't spend 3 years leaderless leaving the other elected officials do whatever they want.

I'd rather she primary Schumer.
- That’s probably the more impactful move if she were to win.

AOC Pres with Tim Walz VP would be great

Aoc 2028

"Swerves?" WTF
- The verb choice of headlines is really a plague.
  Slam, blast, hit, rip, and now swerve. Remarkable journalism.

It seems to me that the US is unfortunately too “-ist” to elect AOC.
- She voted for Take Down law that Trump will use for against anyone who goes against him. She no fucking progressive fuck off no to future neo libs.
  
  This is such a stupid take. The other guy does 100 things wrong. AOC does 99 things right, and 1 wrong, and you want to discard her entirely for it. Politics isn't about being perfect. It's about being closer to your ideals than the other party. You're rehashing the stupid "but genocide Kamala" argument again. Look where that got us.
  Don't let perfect get in the way of good.

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