Murdering civilians? That's something only the "USian" government does! Just ask the Uyghurs, and those Tianamen students

"OUR fair and just police vs THEIR brutal murderer cops"
They should learn that ACAB means "ALL cops are bastards", not "All cops in the US and not my beloved infallible glorious prc"
- I vote for politicians that want certain laws.
  Those laws become fact. Cops enforce them.
  Why would they be a bastard?
  I'mma be honest. I have never had a single interaction with a cop in Belgium. They just walk around sometimes.
  
  Generally it would be when they choose to selectively enforce those laws to unjustly do things to people they don't like.
  If that doesn't happen where you are, count yourself very, very lucky.
  
  https://www.liberties.eu/en/stories/police-violence-belgium-echr/12867
  https://www.brusselstimes.com/670348/true-nature-of-police-violence-in-belgium-hidden-by-transparency-issues
  https://apnews.com/article/united-nations-europe-belgium-violence-race-and-ethnicity-33d5c3ff019ce5065a597432e166deaf
  https://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-police-violence-problem-protest-ibrahima-barrie/
  https://www.enar-eu.org/police-brutality-and-racialised-minors-in-belgium-death-threats-slurs-and-victim-blaming/
  I'll be honest too. It's always so weird when a white person plays dumb: "The police never bother me! The police where I live are nice!" Because only a white person is allowed to think such nonsense, regardless of where they live.
  You should question why you don't already know information someone thousands of miles away from you can find in 10 seconds.
  
  You are spoiled by living in Belgium. Most countries outside of Europe have good awful corrupt police.

They made tankie 196? Gross.
- tankie-inclusive chaser central

In America police violence is shown on tv and presented as a good thing actually, in china it's not on tv.
- And if you talk about police violence in China the police come to your house and tell you to stop.
  If you don't stop you and your family dissappear.
  
  At least it's not on TV, otherwise the public might get concerned!
- in china it’s not on tv
  No shortage of crime dramas and procedurals on Chinese networks.
  It's so weird to hear people talk about China like its this hermit kingdom. Visited there a few months back and... the biggest difference between Zhuhai and Houston is the number of people speaking Mandarin. Oh, also, lots of trains and buses.
  But the idea that Chinese citizens are somehow oblivious to the country's politics, its security systems, its cultural strictures, or its relationship to western nations is fucking bananas. They know as much about the Chinese Civil War, Tienanmen Square, and the Hong Kong protests as you know about The American Civil War, 9/11 and the War on Terror, and the BLM protests. There's no shortage of young Chinese folks saying the Mandarin ACAB equivalent, listening to punk rock, and feeling unfairly persecuted. There's no shortage of stogie old MAGA conservatives who think liberals are ruining everything and the country was better 30 years ago. There's no shortage of middle-aged middle-income bureaucrats just going through the motions and getting their jobs done, without thinking to hard about what it means at a national socio-economic scale.
  There's no shortage of people shitposting on the Chinese internet. There's no shortage of mods banning those people, either. And if you believe otherwise, go on RedNote and see for yourself.
  
  As someone that's spent a lot of time in China with Chinese people I strongly disagree with this assertion, "They know as much about the Chinese Civil War, Tienanmen Square, and the Hong Kong protests as you know about The American Civil War, 9/11 and the War on Terror, and the BLM protests."
  In my experience Chinese people know extremely little about world history as well as their own uncensored history. It's not a casual topic of discourse and many are hesitant to even speak about these things. They are not a truly free people but they are not ignorant of that. Often they believe that because of their size harsh controls are needed to prevent chaos and they now easily point at the US as an example of what they don't want to become.
  
  Fully with you, just pointing out that they do have a higher standard of censorship. Tiananmen square is the obvious one but there's also things like when an accident happens where lots of people die the local governments often report 35 deaths because if more than 35 people die, a government official gets fired.

honestly im glad someone has called it out, the US is BAD and China is also BAD but with highspeed rail and some better ideas along the way which is tbf GOOD. and if we are criticising everyone i want to know why rent and housing is so unaffordable in most of europe and why landleeches can reap. i also want to know why the hell life is worse for women in so many countries, looking at you india, iran and others. problems dont go away because u ignore them and yes sometimes less bad or least worst is progress too but we must strive for the best hard enough that if we fail to hit it we achieve at least good.
- Individuals are far too complex to be 100% anything, so the same applies to the added complexity of a state.
  
  The state is 100% something. It's 100% useless and harmful. source: https://anarchistfaq.org/afaq/sectionB.html#secb2 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1PV02IzWpo
- Yeah dictatorships are good if they build a train
  
  Infrastructure Investment is an indicator of good governance... Us just provide straight cash transfer to our parasites and we get nothing in return beyond being priced gouged by industries we subsidize

Well the USA doesn't have Execution Vans yet if we're comparing.
- We still have police in vans running around executing people with guns. I think we should really stop splitting hairs and just settle on both police forces being authoritarian death cultists.
- Well, at least they're civilized enough to use lethal injection instead of shooting them... /s
  That's absolutely horrifying.
- Ok wow I bet those are coming here soon
  
  Nah, dissidents are just going to get disappeared to El Salvador. That way they can still be used for slave labor!

Looks like universal Monk has a new alt.. or is it noted sociopath linkerbaans alt?
- Damn linkerbaan, now there's a name I haven't heard in a while.
  
  Thank God
- I have no alt names though--I'm just on a few different instances. I use my same name though.
  Funnily enough, back in the day, people thought I was an alt of linkerbaans.
  You guys seem to believe you see "alts" everywhere, especially if you disagree with someone.
  You know, it could be, that there are more than one or two people that disagree with you. And that's ok. That doesn't mean they are the same person. lol

Jack Ma is just being educated to this day lemmy! Don't look behind the prisons!

It turns out all countries have an authoritarian desire and like to do horrible stuff to their civilians. At any point in time some may be better than others. But all of the problems stem from the same root problem of power. It's a human thing and it's unavoidable. Something that citizens will always need to fight against.

Dont dare talk about communist crimes, cause capitalism murders like 10 million people a day. A day! No you can't see any proof and you wouldn't understand russian anyway if I did. Kill all landlords. T. Didn't finish highschool and get fired from mcdonalds every 3 months.
- Dont dare talk about communist crimes
  Funny thing is that you've got a new crop of YouTube streamers going to these regions in China and coming out of them immersed in the culture and lifestyle that we've been told repeatedly was exterminated.
  We also had a UN Human Rights investigation into the region that came out woefully short of what western media sources reported, such that anti-China critics are now complaining that the UN isn't a reliable investigator.
  It all reeks of the same march to war we heard with Iraq. IAEA investigators running through the country looking for nuclear weapons that don't exist. Hair-raising stories about babies being ripped from incubators and smashed to death by soldiers that turned out to be wild fabrications. Religious cult groups insisting they were being horribly persecuted, when its later discovered they were - themselves - caught up in all sorts of human rights abuses and financial scandals.
  Didn’t finish highschool and get fired from mcdonalds every 3 months.
  Its so weird to see the knee-jerk Lemmy response to skepticism of China Hawks boil down to "You're too stupid to work at McDonalds". Like, fuck me, man. That's so corporate-brained, it makes me nauseous. Even outside the realm of HailCorporate Reddit and psycho hustler culture Twitter, you've still got folks who value a human's intellectual capacity and innate humanity by how much money they can produce for shareholders.
  
  Youre damn right a totalitarian dictatorship with history of mass murder would want to whitewash their reputation.

Tankies love to gloss over the fact the US is way more democratic than China despite recent events.
- The two party system is an illusion of choice...the same parasite has hands in both socks
  
  Hey look it's the tankie doing the glossing

Is this a sub dedicated to hand-wringing over tankies and sinoapologists?
- I'd characterize it as spotlighting, calling out, and lambasting rather than hand-wringing, but yes. From the community info:
  Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
  
  Why don't you do something productive with your time, like attacking nazis or fascists instead of the few people that are actually working on making the US more socialist and equitable.
- More like a comm