"Democracy is when I like the boot!"
"Democracy is when I like the boot!"
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I love how I'm just suppose to trust the official texts on China and Cuba, but not the US. That's what these "do your own homework" posts always imply.
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In communism, you can vote so long as you vote for pre-approved candidates.
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Unfortunately, our system isn't that much better with the fuckery in the political parties. Primary elections that set who is eligible to be elected at the national level. But that's just garden variety authoritarianism for you.
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So China is a democracy where virtually everyone just happens to vote for the incumbent?
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We prolly gonna have to get the guy to define democracy first. It likely ain’t what we think he thinks it is.
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Not entirely sure any of those are democracies.
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Well, some are markedly more democratic than others. I still wouldn't give the US high marks for democracy, but "The ability for the majority of the population to freely choose a candidate of their choice" is miles ahead of "There is one candidate and the Central Committee approved them", even with all the other fuckery that goes on.
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I'll be honest with you, "there are two candidates and the two party central comittees approved them" sounds only marginally better.
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The US?? That’s laughable. There is already systems in place to make it difficult for certain demographics to vote, and it’s getting worse: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/why-voting-rights-groups-warn-the-save-act-may-make-it-harder-for-married-women-to-vote
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Reading about tankies while being from the post soviet bloc is especially aggravating since we all remember and some still have to endure our drunk parents glorifying the „good old days” when milk was a luxury item and people listened to your phone calls.
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I mean in the USSR, you definitely had choice when it came to voting. There was the right choice and the wrong choice. You'd better choose correctly.
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If you were allowed to vote, only 15% voted IIRC.
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not going to go full tankie and praises those democracies, but without a doubt, the US democracy is a farce.
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Ah, yes, the famous democratic soviet elections with a single candidate.
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There would be plenty of other options if they stopped falling out of buildings or suffering sudden terminal illness!
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It's absolute monarchy with extra steps really.
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Just stop and let tankies dream of mass genocide in peace.
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More elections and more candidates than in any time of US history.
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Serious question, what truly successful, stable and properly representative democracies are there?
Like, even if we remove the major issues around capitalism, the US democracy is as far from representing the people as democratically possible. Heck, even if you remove the electoral college it would still be a super unrepresentative democracy because of the two party system and other factors.
So what countries are out there that have functional democracies that truly represent the will of the people while being stable?
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Serious question, what truly successful, stable and properly representative democracies are there?
Most of the EU. Aussieland and New Zealand. Canada. Taiwan. Mongolia. Mexico and Brazil, if you'll allow a little wiggle room in 'stable'. Possibly SK and Japan, depending on your definitions of 'properly representative'.
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Not a definition of democracy, but if a country has Universal Healthcare. That’s a start. Healthcare in Canada needs help, but at least I know I’m not going to lose my home and life’s savings because of health. PP and Danielle Smith’s wet dream is to privatize health care.
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I don't know, but that list is suspiciously long. Are there really that many? Have I been 4chaned into believing that democracies around the world are failing?
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Italy
<bursts out laughing>
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It’s not a democracy unless the official name of the country includes the word “democratic”.
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China would be a democracy if the candidates put on the ballot for public approval weren't chosen by the CPC. In theory, their voting system is more fair and democratic than first-past-the-post (which is objectively the worst voting system).
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Unfortunately, that's a pretty big barrier to being democratic.
But I agree that FPTP is one of the worst systems, and desperately needs to be replaced.
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You're comparing a private political party to a dictatorship.
I agree that rich elites shouldn't be allowed to control any kind of election even party primaries.
But pretending China is more democratic than the US when they have a dictator is insane shit.
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In theory we can vote for whoever we want. In practice we can only elect whoever is backed by capital.
Jesus Christ.
Some people will do anything except face the fact that this is not a left-leaning electorate.
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I mean, yall really think Hillary Clinton was not chosen by the state? Or Biden/Harris last year?
Not really defending China here but, it’s not like our bullshit is better. The DNC and RNC run their bullshit how they want.
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This will spark valid discussion and not invoke weird tribalism that ignores the fact that we're all ruled by the rich under all of those systems. No siree. Just valid, non-divisive, discussions happening for this one.
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