'People Will Not Forget': Fury as Schumer Caves to Trump-Musk Destruction
"Working people are done with performative solidarity," said Rep. Delia C. Ramirez in response. "Either you stand with us against the Republican CR, or you stand with the Musk-Trump authoritarian agenda."
The pseudo-fascists will always bow before the real fascists. Only one way to get rid of fascists.
I hope he got a lot of money to sell us out.
I dunno who that guy is, but every time I see his face all I can think is..
Probably in the minority here and I'm not a fan of establishment Democrats, but his reasoning that Trump would use the shutdown to move without court interference seemed logical to me.
Even so, the way Schumer handled this was just awful. Vulnerable Democrats in the House stuck their necks out to vote against the CR. Then Schumer acted like he was going to filibuster it, but it was really just a procedural ruse. He burned his colleagues in the House and the Democratic base. If he was going to allow the CR to proceed, then he should have been signalling that since the beginning, and he certainly should never have acted like he was going to block it.
Also, as a personal matter, the tone that Schumer has been taking really grates on me. His solution is always to just roll over and let the Republicans do whatever. Maybe that's the rational thing to do, reasonable minds can disagree, but he always seems so smug about it, as if that were obviously correct, and anyone who suggests that we should fight is a moron.
And whenever I hear him talk, I never get a sense of urgency. It's as if nothing that's going on really bothers him, and he's 100% certain that things will turn out just fine like they always have. And that's just objectively not true. Regardless of what our strategy should be, Trump is doing irreversible damage. Even if we end up winning the House in 2026 and the Presidency in 2028, our international reputation is going to be completely fucked for at least a decade, and very likely longer than that. Schumer should be worried, even if only for his own self-interest, because the system that has been so good to him is at risk of collapsing.
Even if he made the rational move in allowing the CR to proceed, I really think he's just not a good leader or spokesperson for the party.
You know Trump could have just vetoed the spending bill and then got his shutdown right? Or the Republicans could have not submitted a bill or even voted against with that argument that it was better for Trump to have his way.
This has just legitimized him further in that when push comes to shove people (Democrats) do agree with giving him what he wants. He's an unchecked bully.
This is not logical it's easy.
Whoever shuts down the government, loses. Republicans can't just veto the bill or not pass a budget. But they CAN pass something Democrats don't like and then blame Democrats for shutting down the government if they filibuster it. And voters WOULD blame Democrats, because they would be the party blocking the bill.
Run through the logic, after they stop this budget. Trump does whatever he wants while people blame Democrats, and eventually the Democrats cave and pass it anyway after allowing irreperable harm and harming their ability to take back the House in 2026, or they cave by letting Trump whatever he wants indefinitely.
This CR gives Musk a ticket to do whatever he wants, anyways.
So, why give him money to do it?
I see the logic behind it, but cant decide if the system is now so broken that his logic even works in the new framework.
All the progressives should unite under a NEW party banner
Do you want Republicans to gain infinite power forever? Because that's how you give Republicans infinite power forever.
Oh wait that already happened.
I'm not sure if that would be easier than usurping power by primarying d's who don't get in line but clearly the geriatric dinosaurs in power in the DNC are half the problem.
The rightwing was really successful in primarying weak republicans who wouldn't toe the line but they essentially had free money (PACs) to do so. The nascent left has no such source of funding, the Sorosbucks to Stanleynickles is terrible.
It would be far easier for them to just hijack the Democratic party the way the far-right did the Republicans.
I'm sure when Chancellor Trump orders the purging of opposition leaders, he'll leave you alone for sucking his dick like this. Surely debasing yourself before wild animals will keep you from being ripped to shreds by them.
Dictators kill their enemies. Everyone who isn't, and hasn't always BEEN their fiercely loyal, obedient ally is an enemy. Especially if they're a declining, psychopathic, malignant narcissist.
They will
We need a Tea Party of the Left
Instead of the ‘Taxed Enough Already’; the left needs the ‘Tax Elites Already’ movement!
The TEA Party, apart from being funded by oligarchs, relied upon their target audience's patriotism.
The left has no patriotism because we know history, so it won't work on us.
Democrats need to primary all these old fucks the way the crazy maga crowd primaried Republicans
Big surprise, old suits in the democratic party don't represent the modern democratic voter.
There needs to be term limits, especially based on age, and to whipe out any form of stock trading and "donations".
The reason they're still in office is for 30 years the DNC has put protecting incumbents above all else, including beating republicans.
The DNC power structure is pretty much the opposite of a democracy, but we just got our furtherest left chair in over 30 years, and his performance as a state party leader shows his biggest concern is beating Republicans, and he's accomplished that to great success by just not putting the party in-between voters and the progressive candidates they want to vote for.
It's an incredibly low bar, but one Ken Martin easily clears.
Don't hate the (literally a month old) new blood for the failings of the old.
New blood needs to start pushing the old blood down the stairs.
The reason they’re still in office is for 30 years the DNC has put protecting incumbents above all else
Protecting centrist incumbents above all else. They didn't do shit to protect Cori Bush or Jamaal Bowman, for exactly one reason.
I'm not giving anyone this shitty party selected for any position the benefit of the doubt until I see how they actually behave in situ.
The entire Democratic Party leadership needs to resign and be replaced by people who will actually fight for working Americans.
In November Schumer and the other leaders suffered the worst defeat in party history yet they haven't realized the only thing left for them to do is resign in shame.
The worst defeat in party history is definitely Reagan 1984.
Not going to happen.
Change has to come from the bottom, not the top.
Couldn't agree more - it will only happen if they receive enough public pressure and those of us who understand what's happening here have a responsibility to do what we can to spread the word.
Just for the record, this is what democrats always do, and it's why they keep fucking losing.
Democrats would rather have trump than have a social-democratic platform, and it shows every time they have the opportunity to fight him and chose to capitulate instead. The democrats aren't a left-wing party, certainly not now, and arguably not since FDR.
There is always a few Democrats to fuck shit up. This time there were 10! I hope to see the day where Shumer and Fetterman both fuck off into the sunset.
Two sides of the same coin if you will.
You can't have a coin with one side, and both sides need coin in their bank account.
The problem is, both parties serve someone, and it's not the common man. The Republican party is a lot more effective at maintaining the illusion -- look at how many of their constituents consistently vote against their own interests and are proud to do so.
There's people working for Federal agencies RIGHT NOW that have either already been terminated or are on the rocks and they are STILL Trump supporters. They are willing to destroy their own lives just to "own the libs" and it will be interesting to see how far this trend will be taken.
Did he and or his family got death threats from trump or what?
Trump has been making threats like that since before the election. If Schummer didn't think he could do his job, he should have stepped down.
Do-nothing Democrats strike again.
Schumer is a coward and a fraud. The weakest leader in a generation. He should resign in shame.
"VoTe BlUe no mAtTeR who"
Liberals as always would rather side with fascists.
How are you gonna explain this one away @someguy3@lemmy.world ?
I don't know why you are picking fights and letting a faceless, random Internet stranger live rent free in your mind. The centrist Democrats/liberals are tone deaf. There is no getting through to them other than their value of private property, free market and stocks. If those things are even nudged, they will immediately side with fascists and make up some circular logic of excuses, instead of admitting what they truly value for siding with fascists.
Call your democratic rep and demand that they insist Schumer resign.
(202) 224-3121
At this point, I am Not donating a single dollar more to the party. I won’t vote for a democrat at the top of the ticket and will pick a DSA candidate or green candidate. If the democrats aren’t willing to fight for democracy or strengthen it when they’re in power, I won’t reward them with votes.
Every democrat senator needs to be primaried.
So we yell at someone who yells at someone who then says "No." and then we're back where we started.
Plus my democratic Senator has brain damage and I have no democratic representative.
Me neither. I'm done. They have until midterms to change my mind.
Schumer is a traitor, capitulator and collaborator.
his response to ice literally kidnapping a man for speech was three paragraphs of "oh yeah totally fuck him hate how fucking Arab he is" before finally saying "but this might be a little bit wrong? uwu" and asking for reasons rather than fucking demanding he be released immediately.
Chuck "blackbagging might be wrong" Schumer. between him and Amy I wonder how much worse a family can get.
fascist collaborator piece of shit.
AOC will be the woman Hillary wished anyone believed for a second she was.
Chuck is a pussy and needs to go ASAP
Perfect encapsulation of the state of the Dem leadership:
"Chuck Schumer caving and saying he’ll vote for a blank check for Trump and Musk is demonstrative of why Democrats lose," lamented progressive activist and writer Jonathan Cohn. "Voters so often don’t believe what they [Dem leadership] say because they don’t believe what they say."
(Emphasis and clarification in brackets mine)
Literally less than 24 hours after saying democrats wouldn't support the CR
Absolutely pathetic
"The Republican bill is a terrible option," Schumer said in his remarks. "It is deeply partisan. It doesn't address far too many of this country's needs. But I believe allowing Donald Trump to take even much more power via a government shutdown is a far worse option."
You fucking twat
hes using the republican doublespeak.
OK democratic leadership, you win; I'll quit voting for your party.
OK democratic leadership, you win; I’ll quit voting for your party.
May not matter at the rate we're going.
Way i look at it if does then the threat was overblown and they're undeserving anyways.
I said the same shit to my senators and Schumer https://www.schumer.senate.gov/contact/message-chuck. If they don't vote no, I won't vote Dem ever again. Tired of it.
Just quitting voting isn’t enough, join a local political group. Worst case scenario, they get radical and you’re too into it so you end up on the news. Best case scenario, they get radical and you’re not into it so you go home and plan your meals for the week.
And vote Republican instead? Yeah, that'll show'em.
As we all know there's nothing else to vote for. Please don't look below the first two options on your ballot or voter registration! Or look at the history of political parties in the US!
your braindead take is exactly how you got into this mess
If Republicans didn't have majority then there wouldn't be any DNC making difficult choices. Not voting for democrats is exactly what caused this problem you're supposedly outraged by.
If Republicans didn’t have majority then there wouldn’t be any DNC making difficult choices.
"Difficult choices"? How difficult is it for democrats to cave to republicans? At this point, it's reflex. It's not a difficult choice to yawn when you see someone else yawn.
I quit. American politics are a circus sideshow full of dancing turds. At this point, let it burn. The side that I vote for won’t even stand up against this shit, so what good is my vote now?
Just a bunch of rich assholes doing whatever they want.
Come to Europe. We got ice cream and free healthcare. Also you don’t need a gun to protect yourself when going out for a walk.
It won’t burn on its own. It will only get worse if left unattended.
"People will not forget!"
Ron Howard: "They Would."
If we have elections in 2026 people are going to guilt trip us for not voting for the Nazi Enablers.
'People Will Not Forget'
They always forget.
Oh damn I'd forgotten about that
opposition party? these motherfuckers may as well be on the same goddamn team.
They are.
Anyone have any info on yes voters visiting specific places in Illinois? I'd like to pay them a visit.
"I believe allowing Donald Trump to take even much more power via a government shutdown is a far worse option."
What's his reason for saying this? How does a government shutdown give Trump more power?
no reasoning other than having an excuse to vote in favor of the bill.
A congressional recess during shutdown means that nobody would be left to hold Trump accountable. Except, they're already not doing that, so...
Citing what I saw on Philip DeFranco earlier, apparently in a shutdown the executive branch has a lot of power in terms of what specifics get shutdown and how.
Was news to me considering the shitshow that happens every time the budget needs to be voted on but with all the DOGEness going on makes sense that there's extra caution around this. Still sucks that Dems rolled over so easily.
It's bullshit to cover up for the fact that his corporate donors like Blackstone can't handle any more stock market pain.
It doesn't. He is lying and he knows it. I won't attempt to recreate his spin, because it doesn't make any sense.
Congress in theory has the power to hold back, punish, or even remove the president. The government shutdown causes a congressional recess.
I say this with no sarcasm whatsoever... Its not like anyone is opposing Trump anyway so what's the point of capitulating and preventing a govt shutdown... There is no point other than bending a fucking knee.
How does a government shutdown give Trump more power?
It doesn't. It's a straight up lie. He's enthusiastically complicit.
If the goverment shuts down, the buildings and agencies will be empty, because all government workers will be home. But DOGE and Musk arent government workers, and theyll have unimpeded access to EVERYTHING, with absolutely nobody to observe what they are doing.
They already have that.
Yeah that's my question too. Does it unlock some military related powers? Maybe if there is no gov theres no legal oversight power?
It doesn't unlock anything new, it just removes the lion handler from the lion's circus act. Although, that lion handler was a Republican majority and wasn't doing anything anyways.
What the fuck.
Cowardly traitor.
Red... Blue... doesn't matter. A bunch of spineless pussies fill congressional seats assuming if they go along with whatever bullshit is presented they'll keep getting their cushy salaries and excellent benefit packages.
Every one of the fuckers needs to be on unemployment.
Surely it's the fault of the voters tho, right? I mean the dems are the good guys! \s
"You see, Schumer flip flopped on the Neo-Enabling acts because you didn't vote hard enough. This is actually the fault of the mythical leftist that influenced millions of people to not vote, but also are so insignificant we don't need to listen to a single one of them. Anything otherwise would put blame at an unpopular candidate losing a popularity contest."
Are you guys idiots? The republicans are already fucking up the government, cutting left and right without regard to laws and congress. So you want the democrats to shut the government down to protest ... what exactly? How does this help? This basically takes the narrative that fucked up government programs are now the D's fault when the R's are currently 100% in control.
Too many people here are like kids just wanting to break things. I'm pissed too, but shutting down the government would be the stupidest thing Schumer can do right now. The R's don't care if you shut down the government. They'd be happy. They'd then blame all the liberals for social programs that wouldn't be funded and broken things. If you want to negotiate and play hardball, find something they care about and use that. This aint it.
If a shutdown is so great for republicans, why are they voting against it?
Because it looks super bad if the party in charge of all three branches of government can't actually run the government at the simplest most basic level.
You are actually brain dead and clearly do zero research at all. This budget literally codifies all these bullshit changes into law and allows the president to do whatever the fuck he wants with the budget. It is congress’ responsibility to decide what gets spent where and how. The president can’t just hire a random asshole to make government cuts.
You want to hand him that right on a silver platter for what? Because we’re already fucked and a government shutdown means people don’t get paid? The union that represents the federal workers came out and DENOUNCED this spending bill. The families directly affected by the shutdown want to shutdown the government.
Go read a book or something before coming to the big kids table.
The GOP is the one shutting down the government by refusing to put forth a budget that doesn't include its actual dismantling.
Not a sudden reversal, this is all what he wants. The idea that these corporate Democrats are against what Trump's doing is false. Chuck Schumer is perfectly happy with deregulation. He's perfectly happy with rolling back every bit social quality we've established in the last 100 years. All of them are. Neoliberals are 100% okay with Donald Trump.
I am almost certain that Schumer is being threatened.
No. He likes being republicans' lackey. He's living the centrist dream right now.
My initial reaction is anger, but hearing his reasoning, I fear that he might be correct.
Don't fuck with chuck
