6d ago

Ukraine agrees US minerals deal after Washington drops toughest demands

www.ft.com Ukraine agrees minerals deal with US

Kyiv hopes agreement on jointly exploring resources will improve relations with Trump administration

Kyiv has agreed terms with Washington on a minerals deal that Ukrainian officials hope will improve relations with the Trump administration and pave the way for a long-term US security commitment.

Ukrainian officials say Kyiv is now ready to sign the agreement on jointly developing its mineral resources, including oil and gas, after the US dropped demands for a right to $500bn in potential revenue from exploiting the resources.

The officials argued that they had negotiated far more favourable terms and depicted the deal as a way of broadening the relationship with the US to shore up Ukraine’s prospects after three years of war.

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Ukraine agrees minerals deal with US

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They should know better than to trust Trump to hold up his end of a deal.
- If Trump renegs the US gets nothing. This is awful but the real politik is probably that this is the best solution Ukraine can access that stops the violence.
  And it's possible Zelensky is planning to reneg on the deal as soon as Trump is out if America can accomplish that.
  
  Zelensky should absolutely reneg. In his shoes, I'd sign about anything, but I'd also be willing to tell the US to fuck off in the end.

it's a trap, never trust trump, a trump never pay his debt, he's a crook
- You spelled United States wrong
  
  The US has the special ability to blame all bad things on their current president and definitely not the country as a whole.
  Contrary to every other country in the world.

Now they dont have nukes OR minerals

Ukrainian officials say Kyiv is now ready to sign the agreement on jointly developing its mineral resources, including oil and gas, after the US dropped demands for a right to $500bn in potential revenue from exploiting the resources.
... then what, exactly, remains in the deal?
Ukrainian officials added that the deal was just a “framework agreement” and that no revenues would change hands until the fund was in place, allowing them time to iron out any potential disagreements. Among the outstanding issues is to agree the jurisdiction of the agreement.
I can't help but still feel this is a bad idea.
- I can't help but still feel this is a bad idea.
  Totally. But Ukraine's in an impossible situation. The US running a protection racket is fucking disgusting.
  
  It is disgusting, but I also don't see what Ukraine gets out of this. It's not a protection racket if protection isn't provided in exchange. I don't know that I would even rightly call it extortion, since I don't think Ukraine signing this will affect Trump's behavior as a Putinist puppet.
  I hope the stress and necessity of looking after his own country during wartime, not to mention dozens of other national leaders, hasn't led Zelensky or his team to underestimate just how ghoulish and empty Trump is, or how fucked US politics are at the moment, if they're hoping for a "Come to Jesus" moment from the GOP or judiciary if Trump blatantly turns against Ukraine.
  
  A protection racket involves actual protection though, the USA has specifically said no security agreements will be made.
  I'm not sure wtf Ukraine is giving them rights for.

FFS. So the US successfully extorted Ukraine. World leaders need to stop fucking doing business with trump. Shit like this just makes him worse.
And the idea that this will keep the US in their corner is beyond stupid. He'll be demanding more within a month. Fuck trump and fuck America.

Extortion.

Is FT seriously trying to spin this as if Ukraine achieved anything in negotiations? American extortion won.

Good luck. You're gonna need it.

Uh huh. So now that we're not being terribly-exploited by Ukraine any more and Trump can announce that he has brilliantly cut a deal which will, no doubt, make America great again, are we ramping supply of military hardware back up?
- To "peacekeeping forces" under the command of Russia, to secure the minerals, of course. /s
  
  its easier to build mining infrastructure and then let russians take it over again

Is there any info on what Ukraine gains from this, other than "improved relations"?
- Doesn't seem like there's anything in writing.
- Probably a share of any developed resources. And defence today. Probably not enough to consider this deal, I hope it is time limited
  
  No defense agreement at all as far as I can tell. Just some ambiguous insinuation that trump and Russia will make a better deal because of it.

Ukraine should know better than to appease dictators

Ukraine should offer to investigate the Bidens for return of Crimea.

Well shit.

I wonder if Ukraine is calling Trump's bluff.
- Trump doesn't have to bluff anything. I've seen a few comments now suggesting that Zelenskyy somehow has the upper hand and is negotiating from a position of strength while Trump is weak.
  Ukraine and Zelenskyy have absolutely no leverage over Trump. Zip, notta.
  I hope Ukraine wins this war. I hope Putin pisses off Trump and Trump resumes full support for Ukraine. I hope Putin is destabilized and better leadership replaces him.
  But Zelenskyy is no position to "call" anything and Trump has no reason to bluff.
  
  But Zelenskyy is no position to “call” anything and Trump has no reason to bluff.
  I don't think this is a 'bluff' or being 'called', but I do feel the need to point out that this is a similar situation to the tariffs on Canada and Mexico - Trump seeks a 'win' by looking 'tough'. Insofar as he can be made to seem weak or foolish, such deals are a loss for him. Zelensky is, arguably, in a position to 'call' simply because Trump seems very likely to rescind aid and take Russia's side regardless of what Zelensky does.
  But again - I don't think this is a bluff or a call. And not knowing the details of the agreement makes it even hazier.
  
  Sorry, hate to be like this, but I have a small correction for you. “Notta” isn’t a word. The word you’re looking for is “nada”, which is “nothing” in Spanish.

I'd love if they went "well, the deal was for these resources in Crimea, and since they're not under our border any more, we can't deliver!"

If it's a fair deal for Ukraine and Trump sticks to it, who knows maybe this will turn out for the better. Yeah I'm skeptical but I want to see peace in Ukraine.

Jesus. That man has aged ten years for every year of the war effort

So they gave up their minerals and will continue to be invaded. Great deal!

“If you give a mouse a cookie…”

This will stand until russia kills zelensky and runs the U.S. out.
- Technically, that'd be essentially no different of an agreement than not having a cease fire at all...
  While I think this is absolutely exploitative I think one reason Zelensky is agreeing is because the US getting access to those minerals is dependent on ensuring independence (or else making an arrangement with Russia which the US could do without even setting up this cease fire pretense)
  It actually opens the door to Ukraine reneging on the deal as soon as Trump is out of office and then working towards a more equitable cease fire. I'd view this cease fire as a stop gap to stem the bleeding.
  
  I agree Ukraine could pull the deal after Trump but, that is a big could. In the mean time Putin could still put a hit on Zelensky. The US and Russia will claim they dont know anything. Putin then could dog walk Trump again bc he wont stand up to Putin.
  I hope Im so wrong that I get dunked on but I dont trust anyone involved. I just hope Zelensky is save and Ukraine is independent.
  Fuck Trump, Fuck Putin, fuck them as presidents and leaders and if anyone is down with them, then fuck you too.

He agreed because he knows his usefulness to US empire has expired. The goal was always to bury them in debt they would default, so the US can then take their natural resources

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