Pope condemns Trump’s mass deportations as incompatible with Christianity and conscience
Pope condemns Trump’s mass deportations as incompatible with Christianity and conscience
It’s really scary when one has bible thumping relatives calling out the Pope as immoral and extremist, and embracing Donald Trump.
“Not my pope”. I’m, yeah, actually, he is.
Thing is, though, anti catholicism runs deep among the evangelical crowd. This is, as far as the mega (maga) church crowd is concerned, a ringing fucking endorsement of Trump.
I live in a highly religious part of the country. 79% of the state is some form of christian.
I have had several conversations with people here who do not comprehend that catholics are christian. In fact I even had an argument about it here on Lemmy a while back. I wonder if someone will pop out again to try to tell me that catholics aren't christians.
You may already know this, but is commonly taught by evangelical fundy Protestants that Catholicism isn't Christianity. It is considered a polytheistic cult due to the praying to and veneration of saints. By these group's definition: Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians.
Me? I think they all suck, but, I was raised by the fundies.
That's such lunacy. Just because your denomination is different doesn't mean it has a monopoly on the religion. Catholics have that same vibe to me, just not as weird about it.
Trump would deport Jesus if he could.
Given the rate of executions during Trump's last tenure, I think it's feasible he would've crucified Jesus for the crime of existing while brown, if given the chance
When the pope told Henry VIII that what Henry wanted to do was a no-no, Henry separated, created Church of England, and made himself its head. What do we think Trump will call the new Christian denomination in America and what will be the title of its head?
He's already the second coming of Jesus to a sizeable part of the US evangelical demographic.
Most of the US doesn’t care what the pope has to say.
True, but there are some areas in the deep South where Calothicism is a big cultural influence. However, there is also quite a bit of friction between Calothicism and some more evangelical groups in those same areas.
I think this could at least cause some meaningful friction to public opinion in some very Pro-Trumo areas. Who knows how things will land while people resolve their confrontation with the cognitive dissonance, but friction is good.
It already exists and it's called Evangelicals
The American civil religion is already basically that
What do we think Trump will call the new Christian denomination in America and what will be the title of its head?
It's going to involve the name Trump. Donny will be the head of it.
I've got $10 on Trump brings back the old anti-Catholic America
The Pope’s selective outrage reeks of ecclesiastical theater—denouncing deportations while his own empire sits on centuries of plundered gold and complicit silence as right-wing zealots twist scripture into shackles. Charity as performance art can’t mask the Vatican’s hoarded billions or its failure to dismantle systems that create modern Exodus crises.
Trump’s deportation fetish mirrors Roman circus politics—distract the plebs with bloodsport while oligarchs pick their pockets. State-sanctioned scapegoating isn’t governance; it’s the death rattle of empires too bankrupt to fix real problems.
Invoking the Holy Family’s refugee plight? Sacred irony—today’s “Christians” would’ve barred Mary at the border for “illegal entry” and called Herod a patriot. Scripture as a bludgeon only works if you ignore the Beatitudes.
Christian nationalism’s endgame? Theocratic feudalism—crucifixes on flags, borders as moats, and Lazarus left to rot. Piety as a profit model demands enemies, not empathy.
I distinctly remember a similarly high quality speech receiving this comment.
bro took off his shirt to write this
but you see, american "christianity" is different. maga nuts and the far right would say 'better' or the only 'true' kind.
and "conscience", well that's "con"+"science", they don't believe in science, so toss that out. leaving only "con" which is exactly what their game is.
mtsw on Bluesky:
Since JD Vance just converted to Catholicism 5 minutes ago, he might not know this: the Pope authoring a letter where he goes out of his way to correct you, specifically, is considered "bad" in the Catholic tradition
The Vatican criticised the Nazis as well, but it didn't stop Hitler. The problem is that the cat is out of the bag when it comes to far-right in America. The only way to stop the movement is to counter it politically. But the Democratic Party is either too spineless or simply does not care, or both. They would rather lose to Trump than to move further left.
By your same logic, these super smart "leftists" would rather Donald Trump usher in fascism than the rest of us not move further left.
I am not going to explain this to an American for the umpteenth time, the truth of the matter is that, outside of American sensibilities, the Democrats are not leftists. The rest of the world see Democrats as centre right by virtue of their policies. If you put the Democratic Party in Europe, they will have more in common with the conservative German CDU and centrist neoliberal French president Macron.
as others have said, consort trump is not catholic so he could care less about the pope.
his spiritual advisor believes in prosperity theology.
imo, if you want to appeal to trump, better talk in his spiritual language, money.
Maybe he could actually do something about it. Like excommunicating those very religious members of the supreme Court that will support it... Pipe dream. I know.
The Supreme Court is staffed by Evangelicals, which make up the majority of christians in the US of A
Evangelicals and Catholics consider each other heretics and have done so since the reformation.
Edit: The reformation started after the time period historians consider "the middle ages". Oopsie.
I think barnaclebutt is referring to Amy Coney Barrett, who is openly Catholic. Not sure about the other members of scouts.
Yeah, let's ignore that Trump is an adulterer and rapist, Pope.
They have a new lord now and he’s orange
One has to have a conscience to be bothered by it…
The Vatican has gone woke...
Not to mention common sense, practicality, cost and long-term consequences.
Oh no, will Christians listen to their leader The Pope or their leader The Trump?
The Pope is right like a stopped watch, and you know what else is incompatible with Christianity and conscience? The Catholic Church.
Religion itself is incompatible with conscience
The Pope doesnt represent REAL CATHOLICS! DONALD TRUMP DOES! Him and ALL his Marriages and Wealth!
If I go pitch a tent in Vatican City and take up permanent residence there, presumably he will order the Swiss Guard not to deport me. Good to know.
So is raping altar boys, though...
Your comment is whataboutism
Yeah, I realized that after posting. I'm just mad at the moment, excuse my violent fantasies for a bit. What I tried to say is: what does it matter what this random old dude thinks of anything regarding anything to do with morality or conscience? He is the head of the worst institution in the last 2000 years or so grace the rest of us with their presence, whose only contributions to society is the stifling of progress, endless wars waged in the name of their imaginary friend because someone else (usually brown people) believe in THE SAME FUCKING IMAGINARY FRIEND, and the protection of child-rapists and other abusing vermin. Oh how I long for the day when the basilica of st. peter burns to the ground along with their corrupt institution.
Why are we placing blame on Trump when the current situation can be traced back to policies under Biden, such as open borders and the lack of a clear pathway to citizenship for immigrants? It seems we have forgotten the broader context of this issue.
What the hell does "open borders" mean? Do you think Biden didn't deport people?