Developers: "Yes, the users love cluttered homes, just put everything there and ignore guidelines"

Don't forget about good ol .minecraft

Nobody wants to develop a tag-based filesystem?
- Developing it would be way above my skills but I've been fantasising about it for a long time. https://lemmy.world/comment/14344097
  
  Same. I think it would be more friendly for end-users too.
- What would that be?

Files and directories starting with a dot are hiden by default. You are aksing for this stuff if you manually unhide them.
- Screenshot is from Windows where dotfiles aren't hidden by default. And all the lazy developers that created those directories, didn't bother to set the hidden attribute (See appdata is greyed, because it has the hidden attribute set)
  
  To be fair, those Windows directories might have a space in them and break things anyway.
- There are a million reasons to access those folders. There are 0 reasons to leave them hidden.

Is there an easy to find style guide of how Windows would like you to use these things, cause I never found one.
Appdata, my documents, program files... Everyone seems to be all over the place
- Program files require admin
  Appdata doesn’t
  Documents doesn’t either but in theory it’s for files you want the user to edit or backup

I realize that the OP is a Windows case, but I'd be rich if I had a penny for every time a savegame or config file is stored somewhere totally whack.
- I'd be rich if I had a penny for every time a savegame or config file is stored somewhere totally whack.
  Fun thing of you enable protected folders on windows: No app can get write access your Documents folder (or Images or Videos or...) unless you put them explicitly on the whitelist. That means you get to experience all the programs that are crashing or hanging or... just because they're simply assuming that that's the best place to dump data and because these folders always exist, you don't need proper error handling in case you cannot access them...
- I'm completely self-taught when it comes to Linux, so I have some obvious gaps in my knowledge. I've looked for good write-ups on how Linux folders are intended for use and been unable to find a good resource. Thank you for sharing the official standard name. Reading up on it now.
  
  That's respectable! But yeah, the FHS is something that's surprisingly hard to find in-depth information about if you don't already know about it.
  I think this page from systemd (or this page from the arch wiki, if you prefer formatting) has a decent description of not only the FHS, but also the more standard user/home structures.
- I gave up using the default documents folder because a lot of game developers think that is a good place to store the saves

I hate it. I think a lot of devs who write cross-platform open-source software just use the %userprofile% automatic env variable to dump dotfiles in Windows since it can basically directly replace $HOME. In my opinion using something like %localappdata% is definitely preferred.

If you’re on a Windows box, the apps you’re calling out are assuming some level of FHS or XDG compatibility, neither of which are Windows things.
If you’re on a mac, macOS uses its own thing but can play well with dotdirs. However, you’ll find a mix of assuming XDG and weird macOS storage locations depending on how the tool determines storage location priority.
If you’re on Linux, there are too many standards.
- Though, XDG says you need a .config/|.local/... fallback, if the variables are not set.

Are dotfiles a thing on Windows? It's been a while since I used it.
- No. Hiding files is still just an attribute.
  Actually, technically, it's two. Files marked as system files are treated as hidden as well...
  
  With the downside that files marked as hidden on windows generally can't be read by tools and scripts in the way you expect it.
- They are in subfolders of C:\Users\Username\AppData\Roaming or \Local or \LocalLow.
  Or in the program's installation path in C:\Program Files or \Program Files(x86).
  Or in a separate directory directly under C:\
  Or the settings are handled via Registry keys.
  Or whatever the fuck Microsoft Store apps do.
  Or any combination of the above.
  
  I remember that much lol. I should have clarified, I was trying to ask why are there dotfiles in the screenshot
  
  Hey, don't forget about C:\ProgramData !

Everyone here is talking about conventions used on Linux, but this looks like Windows Explorer to me...?
Why are there so many directory names in there following Linux "hidden file" conventions, if that's the case?
- If you write cross-platform software, the easiest solution is usually to pretend everything's Unix. You'll hit some problems (e.g. assuming all filesystem APIs always use UTF-8 will bite you on Windows, which switched to UCS2 before UTF-8 or UTF-16 were invented, so now uses UTF-16 for Unicode-aware functions as that's the one that's ABI compatible with UCS2, and passing UTF-8 to the eight-bit-char functions requires you to opt into that mode explicitly), but mostly everything will just work. There's no XDG_CONFIG telling you to put these files anywhere in particular, as Windows is Windows, so most things use ~ as a fallback, which Windows knows to treat as %USERPROFILE%.
  
  Lots of frameworks for applications and games have automatic translation of file paths to sensible directories, but when you're writing software you're probably doing shit fast and dirty until it's ready for release, by that time you now have a bunch of people relying on your software so changing the file structure will cause loads of issues.
- This is not a Linux or Windows thing. It's a lazy developer thing. It's also another one of the ways that some devs will coddle the end-user because "learning a file directory system is hard."
  
  I'm pretty sure the .file notation is a bug-turned-feature of a GNU coreutils program, Windows has no such thing and marks files as hidden using filesystem attributes.
  I couldn't say whether I prefer it one way or the other, but the dot prefix does stick out like a sore thumb on systems that don't hide them by default... though I think AnyOldName3's explaination makes sense.
  
  for someone regularly using both: it is a convenience feature.
  that way i just know config files are under ~/.myApp. if windows devs would beore consistent, i would be ok with %APPDATA%\myApp. however, too often it is under %APPDATA%\..\Roaming\myApp - which is just a pain. so i prefere linux style on windows.
  edit: copy paste error

They are using windows wrong, put everything on the desktop and don't worry about all those scary files everywhere else.
/S

.android is either from the Android SDK, or possibly Android Studio so blame either Google or IntelliJ. .vscode is Visual Studio Code which is made by Microsoft so your guess is as good as mine on that one. .eclipse is Eclipse and is a Java IDE approximately the age of dirt and might actually pre-date the AppData folder existing. .ssh is OpenSSH and has been around long enough on the nix side of things that it might pre-date both AppData and the XDG folder conventions. Not sure about most of the rest.

The guidelines for Windows developers kinda suck tbh. Maybe it's better these days, but plenty of weird legacy software behaviour can be blamed on MSDN.

This is why i never use the default folders, I will always make my own elsewhere.

AFAIK appdata are stored in ~/.local/share, but you don't even have that folder!?!?!
It's not the Linux convention that's fucked up in this regard, but your system.
If you want it stored in ~/AppData, you need to make a link to it from ~/.local/share.
I'm no expert, so there may be other ways to do it. but apparently your system doesn't follow conventions.
- He's using Windows
  
  WHAT? So he chose an OS that doesn't follow Linux standard on PURPOSE?!?! That doesn't make much sense. 😋
- I even have a couple of things that found ~/.local but missed /share
- He's using windows.
  But while we're on the subject, ~/.local/share is cancer and shouldn't exist.
  The appropriate path is /usr/share.
  I have a SystemD service that will erase anything written to that godforsaken .local folder, and if that breaks your shitty software then I'll assume your shitty software doesn't work and delete it and spam issues about it until you fix it or find a different career doing something productive, like cooking McRibs.
  
  The appropriate path is /usr/share.
  That's a global folder, and not proper for storing "per user" data.
  
  /usr/share? How is a random app getting write permissions to that?
  
  I'm a little confused by that statement. Where should locally installed (non-sudo) applications, such as virtual python envs who are accessed by multiple other not-necessarily-python apps or perhaps baloo, flatpak, etc, store their shared data? I'm rather convinced that giving all users write access to /usr/share is a terrible idea.
  
  I have a SystemD service
  The irony is how lennart and his cancer approached standards, top to bottom.
  Now I want McRibs.

- True on linux, but not on Windows. There is the "Appdata" (Application Data) sub folder for that. The users profile is meant for the users personal files - but way too many apps ignore that.
  Makes me think that probably a multiplatform-compat library points the apps there?
  
  No, not true on Linux. We have the XDG folder specifications to specifically not have our ~ cluttered with random shit.
  Doing this on Linux is no better than doing it on Windows.

I mean... those are hidden by default
- That doesn’t make it better though. App data should be under app data, either roaming or local depending on use.
- To be fair this is how I clean as well
- Who actually keeps hidden folders hidden? It's like the first box I check when I open a file explorer for the first time.
- still. it's the year 2025. XDG_CONFIG should be the standard assumption
- I don't think so. If they were, they'd look shaded like the AppData folder does.
  
  They have a dot in front. Means they are not shown my default, not even in cli