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Trump-backing Muslim voters finally realize they 'made a big mistake': expert

www.rawstory.com Trump-backing Muslim voters finally realize they 'made a big mistake': expert

James Zogby, the president of the Arab American Institute, told CNN's Brianna Keilar on Wednesday that many Muslim voters are regretting the decisions they made in the 2024 presidential election.As Keilar noted while interviewing Zogby, Trump received a major boost from Muslim voters in 2024 due to ...

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They aren't regretting here yet. I make comments about it and get brigade against. Hey Dearborn Palestinians for Trump: you guys were completely ignorant, ignored everything that man said, and still held out hope he would be better for your people for some god known reason. Ya fucked up.
- The election was three months ago. These constant attempts to relitigate it are just an attempt by the right to divide the left.
  The truth is there is blame on both sides. Those who stayed home hold some responsibility, and the Biden admin is also to blame for shunning their own base.
  But now we have bigger fish to fry. There's a constitutional crisis on, and a united front is needed against the right. Fuck the dividers. When someone tries to divide the left, call them out on it or downvote them to hell. They're either a conservative or a Russian troll.
  
  The right didn’t need help to divide the left this election. The left did it itself. The American left splintered into toxic little sub groups who all hated each other, saw each other as unworthy allies and called each other fascists for being even slightly right or even left of each other. Meanwhile the right was unified and laughing at the left who so easily felll for the right’s manufactured war
  
  Yeah. There were a lot of people saying they wouldn't vote for Biden or Harris due to one issue, even though Trump wouldn't be an improvement on that one issue they wouldn't vote for Biden on.
  Now they're angry that Democrats have very little power to resist Trump.
  
  There were even more people blaming any criticism of the DNC as an act to support Trump, so go ahead and continue fracturing your support base even after losing the election. I'm sure that'll help you fight against fascism.
  
  Well, Trump won, didn't he?
  
  And?
  
  Those who stayed home hold some responsibility
  Second most of the responsibility, actually (actual Trump voters take the most responsibility). They screwed up, and now we're all paying the price.
  But now we have bigger fish to fry. There’s a constitutional crisis on, and a united front is needed against the right.
  Also true. If Trump voters and non-voters realize that they screwed up badly and want to work to fix it, then we need to accept their apology, forgive them, and let them stand with the rest of civilized humanity in countering Trump, Must, and their goons.
  
  I'm talking specifically about the left side of the aisle. And there were two sides to blame. The centrist Dems and the myopic Palestine folks were playing chicken with each other, seeing who would blink first. Neither blinked, and they rammed head first into each other. If a game of chicken results in a collision, both sides are to blame.
  You do understand that it is possible for both parties in a conflict to be equally at fault, do you not? The Palestine supporters had a very good point - the Dems were fucking stupid for supporting Israel the way they did. And the Dems had a very good point - myopic Palestine supporters were fucking stupid for focusing on that as the only issue that matters. They both had a point, and they were both fucking stupid.
  
  Also true. If Trump voters and non-voters realize that they screwed up badly and want to work to fix it, then we need to accept their apology
  I totally would. I have yet to hear one.
  They're still holding on to their moral superiority, which is all they cared about to begin with.
  
  They will never realize this. They think game theory isn't real and voting 3rd party means they're better than Dems even though they enabled trump. It's the worst virtue signaling possible. Gaza will pay the price for their hubris.
  
  Hey, what's the most famous example of game theory, and what's the correct move to play if your fellow prisoner is saying they'll betray you? How would you rate the strategy of the player announcing they'll betray?
  You trot out the term like you've unlocked some higher level enlightened objectivity that the unwashed (minority immigrant) masses have failed to comprehend, but then fail to actually apply even the most well known thought exercise. It's not a synonym for rational thinking or having good foresight. It's about how multiple actors make choices. For some reason your "game theory" philosophy seems to not consider the candidate as a participant.
  
  Eh.
  I'm not ready to forgive the utterly ignorant fools who abstained from voting or voted 3rd party and helped put us in the situation we're in.
  They do not deserve to be forgiven. Especially this fast. I like accountability.
  
  You have two guilty parties on the left side of the aisle:
  Centrist Democrats, who ignored the pleadings of their own base and chose facilitating genocide over winning an election.
  Myopic Palestine supporters who decided Palestine was the only issue that matters.
  Get your head out of your ass. It is possible for both parties to be at fault. They were both playing chicken, and if either had blinked, the outcome may have been different. If two drivers are playing chicken, driving towards each other at high speed, and they end up colliding? You don't try to argue who was to blame. You say, "you're both fucking stupid" and divide the legal liability equally.
  
  chose facilitating genocide over winning an election.
  Would you prefer they lied about stopping support for Israel to win the election and then went back on the promise? Because there's no reality in which the U.S. jeopardizes its most valuable ally in the Middle East. And changing up your stance on international politics to win elections every 4 years is how you end up with no allies. Both Harris and Biden repeatedly expressed disapproval of what our ally was doing. That's the best we were going to get. And that's way better than where we find ourselves now.
  Get your head out of your ass.
  It is. That's why I voted for the best option for my own country AND for Palestinians.
  
  The left is divided already. In the ways these folks voluntarily decided to do. It's not now that others are pointing it out that the divisions are occurring. How much more gentle do others need to be around the ones who made this mistake? How much more hand holding?
  
  The Left isn't divided, it's unrepresented.
  The Democrats are a conservative capitalist party, which might be better than a fascist party but it's still right-wing.
- They aren’t regretting here yet.
  How many pro-trump muslims do you think exist on Lemmy?
  Y'all are crying about demographic groups that are statistically nonexistent.
  I guess libs are the real victims of the genocide that they support. \s
  
  Every single one that voted 3rd party helped trump...and there are tons on Lemmy.
- You're scapegoating 40,000 people who have lost family members in the genocide for not voting for the killers and using Dearborn as a slur at this point. Less people voted for Trump there than the national average. Keep proving you're a Nazi.
  
  Fuck the Nazis, but also fuck the conservative Muslims that can't vote for a woman.
  
  fuck the ~~conservative Muslims~~ people that ~~can’t~~ won't vote for a ~~woman~~ genocide.
  FTFY.
  
  BROTHER THAT WOMAN GOT THE MUSLIMS VOTING FOR THE MUSLIM BAN GUY GET A FUCKING GRIP
  
  Yeah she just made them by doing what exactly.
  Chosing the only possible winner over trump isn't a hard choice...yes I can swallow current genocide for Gaza to possibly still exist in the future. You picked accelerated genocide.
  
  that can’t vote for a woman.
  That wasn't the reason and others have already given you receipts. You just can't stand that your genocide isn't as popular with Muslims as it is with centrists.
  
  Fuck Isreal and what they did to the Palestinians. But I'm on the ground here and there were plenty of people that refused to listen to the words straight from Trump's mouth. They held Muslims for Trump rallies. Their political and spiritual leaders told them to either vote for trump or abstain. They met with the man believing he would not only de-escalate but bring peace when he's vehemently supported Isreal in the past. Complete stupidity and voting against their best interests. Now they live in fear of ICE stopping by their neighborhoods and sending naturalized citizens back, something unheard of before. Take some responsibility and make the necessary changes. I refuse to accept the Democrats going more conservative on things like gay and women's rights. Either everyone has rights or no one does, and we are seeing the no one version right now.
  
  Democrats are already going conservative on trans rights and immigration. You at once condemn other minority populations for refusing to accept the Democrats going more conservative while declaring your own personal red lines.
  Your final declaration sounds like good principle, but if that were true we were already in the "not everyone has rights" category. It just sounds like you have the core rights that you feel that would be too far and then don't allow other members of the coalition to have and value their own personal core rights.
  
  But I’m on the ground here and there were plenty of people that refused to listen to the words straight from Trump’s mouth. They held Muslims for Trump rallies. Their political and spiritual leaders told them to either vote for trump or abstain.
  What did you expect would happen when centrists ditched the only common cause the party had with Muslims?
  Take some responsibility and make the necessary changes.
  Because the party never fucking will. Ever.
  I refuse to accept the Democrats going more conservative on things like gay and women’s rights.
  Remember that when they do. Because they absolutely will. Resist the temptation to just point to their opponent and excuse everything Democrats do on the grounds that Republicans are worse.
  
  You're a low information voter
  
  Motherfucker, literally 65% voted for women.
  
  "Trump won 42% of the vote in Dearborn, with Harris receiving 36%."
  
  pay no attention to the other woman on the ballot
  
  Pay no attention to how fptp works...
  
  Read the parent comment before spamming my inbox, maybe.
  OP was claiming Muslim voters withheld their vote for Harris because she was a woman, despite most of them having voted for Stein (a woman)
  
  Stein wasn't on my ballot in Indiana.
  
  She was in Michigan, which is where Dearborn is
  
  "Not voting for the killers" is REALLY a stretch here.
  Honestly if Palestine is your one and only policy, not voting was the right choice.
  It was well known from Trump's first term, and everything the man has ever said, that he would encourage attacks on Palestinians vs the Dems who simply stood by and let it happen.
  There's a big difference between not voting for someone who won't help and actually voting for someone who hates you and will unapologeticly help your enemy kill you.
  
  There's a big difference between not voting for someone who won't help and actually voting for someone who hates you and will unapologeticly help your enemy kill you.
  This isn't what happened though. What we got was a vote between someone who will apologize while helping your enemy kill you, and someone who will help your enemy gleefully. The outcome is the same either way, one just has better optics.
  
  "There's a big difference between not voting for someone who won't help and actually voting for someone who hates you and will unapologeticly help your enemy kill you."
  Not when you have first past the post voting. None of you actually realize you helped trump by voting 3rd party.
  
  A lot of Dearborn's Arab population is Palestinian and Lebanese and had/have family at risk of being killed. You know when those 2,000 pound bombs get shipped to Israel they actually get dropped on people and kill them, right?
  
  Right. And then they voted for it.
  
  It was happening whether they voted for it or against it.
  
  You know when those 2,000 pound bombs get shipped to Israel they actually get dropped on people and kill them, right? ... It was happening whether they voted for it or against it.
  No it wasn't. Biden had put a stop to sending those bombs to Israel (in May 2024), and trump immediately resumed sending them as soon as he took office.
  https://www.ocregister.com/2025/01/25/trump-ends-bidens-hold-on-2000-pound-bombs-for-israel/
  Trump Lifts Biden's Ban on Weapon Shipment, Makes 2,000-Pound 'Bunker Buster' Bombs Available to Israel
  
  Yup, he just sent them at least 14,000 of them before doing that. More than all other bombs combined according to leaks. 2000 pounds bombs were in use in September in Lebanon.
  
  Well obviously the US was sending them before that or it wouldn't be called a pause/hold.
  The point is Biden put the hold on and trump resumed sending them, as opposed to the poster's claim.
  
  And they clearly never ran out of 2,000lb bombs to use. They just happened to need some more now.
  
  I see, they "just happened to need some more" right after trump took office.

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