Nancy Pelosi ‘Actively Working to Tank’ AOC’s Committee Bid

this is why democrats will keep on losing. Aggressive campaigning against progressives. That's how they tanked Berny who had a real shot at trump at the time. They have mothballed trump indictments when they've had a chance to impeach him, they have gagged them this campaign and result is for everyone to see... Pelosi is a very mean and very capable machine of destryction when it comes to progressives and their ideas
- No fucking lie. Democrats scrap like alley cats while liberals clutch their pearls viewing GOP hypocrisy. They stick together, no matter what, and they win.

Remember, Pelosi has a net worth over $200mil.
"It's a big club, and she's in it."
Pelosi fucking sucks. AOC for pres.
- https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress-8685e82eb6d6e5b42413417f3d5d6775
  We have no left party in the United States, merely an economically right-wing party to the left of a fascist party, with a few left-wing spoilers like AOC and Sanders that they despise far more than their fascist opposition party, because while Democrats and Republicans rage over social policy, often the symptoms of economic desperation, they drink from the same Wall Street gravy train and take the same orders on economic policy.
  A party actually attempting to reorient our economy based on the needs and priorities of the citizens of our society would be catastrophic to their legalized bribery, and insider info feeding arrangement.
  If you think either party under it's current form will EVER lead to any form of universal healthcare, you're deluding yourself.
  The UK has had universal healthcare since 1948. Canada since 1968-1970(provinces rollout)
  
  Universal healthcare is not a newly proposed issue, either. Going at least as far back to FDR's administration, his Secretary of Labor (and architect of The New Deal) Frances Perkins even advocated for public healthcare.
- I hope that someday we live in a world where that can happen.
  Maybe if she gets a few felonies.
  
  Hey, here's a thought. You know about the guy that shot a parasite in NY? AOC could try that too. She'd need enough vocal (and armed) popular support to avoid conviction (and retaliatory assassination) and it might turn into a civil war, but it might also work.

Burn the Democratic party to the ground. Their complicity has resulted in this state of affairs.
- none of the contemporary democrats have experience fighting fascists.
  usually because they don't recognize their financial advisors as being fascists
- It's a sunk cost. All the time and effort we spent propping them up could be use to build a new but people won't face the fact. They think they can slowly steer it in the right direction but all the effort that has to go in is easily reversed by some insignificant amount of money from the doner class.
  
  Part of the problem is that you literally cannot build up a third party under First Past the Post voting.
  The thing is, the current most popular alternative voting system, RCV is just as bad for third parties.
  RCV was first invented in the 1780s by the Marquis de Condorcet, under the name Instant Runoff. He wrote about it, mostly to highlight it's problems.
  Like the fact that under IRV the majority preferred candidate can easily lose the election.
  And that's the tip of the iceberg when it comes to flaws in IRV.
  Thankfully it's been over 200 years since then, and better voting systems have been designed.
  STAR is as close to the magical best system designed to date.
  If we had STAR for all elections, plus voting day as a national holiday, we'd be in a vastly better place.

Fuck everything about Pelosi and her bullshit insider trading.
She's not there to help Americans, she's there to maximize her and her husbands investments.
"Blue no matter who" winds up like ghouls like this running the party, because they'll never give up personal.power, and corrupt enough to sell out for campaign donations.
We have to have more standard than the letter by a name.
- I don’t know much about her, but what little I do know, she’s the Democrat’s version of McConnell.
  
  Nope, McTurtle got rich along the way. But his lifelong goal has been packing the courts.
  He is literally salivating like he just walked into a salad bar at the 42 vacancies Biden is about to hand over.
  Pelosi doesn't give a shit about the Dem platform or helping people. She wants America to stay in the early 90s, that used to be enough to be considered somewhat progressive.
  But the early 90s were 30 years ago. Imagine calling someone in the early 90s progressive because they wanted America to go back to pre civil rights movement.
  That's the same time frame.
  The right move was forming a serious left third party decades ago. We'd have a right, center, and left party and nothing would get done without some compromise between the wings, likely leading to a more fluid party structure.
  We'd never see this shit where a handful of republican extremists sabotage everything no matter who has the majority.
- There is no realistic third party option in the US. The way the right solves this is by primarying out the centrists in favour of people more aligned with their views. Even before Trump there was the Tea Party takeover. I suspect this is the most viable path forward for US leftists too. If Pelosi had her way AOC wouldn't even have a seat, so there's proof enough there that the plan can work.
  
  Be the change you want to see then. Make the viable third party that isn't just a Russian troll op.

"I'm probably going to die before my term is over, but I need to ratfuck the next generation of politicians so fascists get even more chance at fucking over more Americans."
Might as well just vote yes on everything Trump says, Pelosi.
- Bingo

No surprise there.
Establishment Democrats would rather have power held by Republicans than by progressive Democrats.
- And AOC has been kowtowing to Pelosi for the last few years in hopes of going along to get along. Hopefully this will wake up progressive Democrats to realize they will never be accepted by corporate Democrats, no matter how much they move to the right to appease them.

AOC 2028.
- I wish people would stop saying this. She would lose. I like her, but that doesn’t change the fact that she is not going to be president.
  
  That's what they would have said about Obama in 2004 if anyone knew his name back then...
  AOC could, should, and hopefully will run
  
  She's a real feisty one who's only willing to go so far into being "corporate." With the inevitable loss of Bernie, she will become the most recognized face of progressives in Congress. Her sharp tongue and wit, combined with an excellent ability to get her points made succinctly would serve her well in any attempt to run. She's more lively and personable than Harris ever was.
  I'd say she has an excellent shot at the White House if she so chooses.
  
  Why would she lose?
  The normies would project whatever fantasy they want onto her, and she's hot so it could be positive delusions.
  
  Do tell. Which dull advocate for an untenable status quo should we run instead?
  
  Conventional logic also said Trump would loose but here we are.

Fuck Nancy Pelosoi and fuck corporate-owned democrats, and fuck the DNC.
- All comes down to $$$
  AOC is fine when she's getting trotted out on Twitch-Plays-Pokemon to beg for dollars. But actually giving her power? Fuck that. No business interest would ever donate to the party again if they thought she was what they'd be buying into.
  
  You're... not making me say fuck the DNC any less with this comment, I hope you realize.

Wow I can't seem to figure out why Democrats keep losing elections

Pelosi is as bad as Mitch. These corporate backed dinosaurs have no business representing the people.

Because of course she is.
The "Lessor evil" party folks.
- I mean... Yes. They are less evil. Way less evil. It's not even close.
  Pelosi is a giant piece of shit, but she doesn't make the top 75% of conservatives.
  Also AOC is a goddamn gem. Conservatives have previously zero of those.
  Are Democrats anywhere near where I want to be? No. But I can't see how anyone could say they're the same.
  
  There is a seemingly, almost intentional obtuseness to internal criticisms of the DNC from folks on the part of Democrats.
  Fundamental to why the right has been able to organize a fascist takeover of this nation is actions like this from the Democratic party. Fascism in this country wouldn't be ascendant if the DNC didn't rat-fuck Bernie, twice. Health care CEO's wouldn't be getting gunned down in the street if the DNC forced M4A instead of the corporate sellout of Obamacare in 2016. Trump would not have won if Democrats had focused their efforts and spent their political capitol on issues that would make a fundamental difference in peoples lived experience in the period of 2021-2024. We wouldn't be in this position if Democrats didn't slow walk the prosecution of Donald Trump, effectively sitting on their hands until an election year to start taking action.
  The state of this country is a direct consequence of the managerial class politics, which is all that the DNC has come to represent in a post 2024 world. They enable and empower the ratchet effect that allows the rightwing to become more and more fascist, because they are only ever willing to be a lessor evil.

Sounds like an endorsement then... enemy of my enemy and all.

You know she's a great candidate for the people when her own party leaders don't want her in power.
- The Republican party didn't initially want Trump. I don't think your logic holds up.
  
  And the Democratic establishment fucking LOVED Clinton and still do. She lost to Trump. Your logic is perfectly sound if you just want to lose.
  
  Yet they quickly jumped on board and never took a stand against him. They are lock step now, so just because he didn't get a warm welcome, they sure do love him now.

Look, I found the problem with the DNC. Yes, it's rotten to the core and you will never change it.
- Never is a long time, though I think the route to meaningful change is not through the Democratic Party. It's too ossified and is too deeply captured by corporate interests.
- There are ways to change it. You can attend local Democratic party meetings in your city. You can also vote in the primaries and you could also call Nancy Pelosi yourself. https://pelosi.house.gov/contact/offices/washington-dc-office
  Note about contacting her: sadly she was hospitalized just recently: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/nancy-pelosi-hospitalized-congressional-visit-luxembourg-rcna184144 even if I disagree with her sometimes I still wish her a full recovery. It's likely that no matter her health it would go to her secretary so perhaps if lots of people call the message would still get passed along to her once she gets better.
  
  They could also get money out of the primary process and that would have the largest impacts
  
  You can attend local Democratic party meetings in your city. You can also vote in the primaries and you could also call Nancy Pelosi yourself.
  Good news, everybody. I put in a quick call and made a few salient points. Nancy agreed with me on all of them and says she's reversing her decision.
  even if I disagree with her sometimes I still wish her a full recovery
  Why are you so invested in licking boots?
  
  Ah the good ol WORK HARD GET NOTHING american dream
  Even the username ↑ looks like a propaganda bot.
  
  Or organize locally outside the Democratic Party and field your own candidates, unless the Dems come up with one worth endorsing. And also organize for direct action, because democracy is likely to be blocked for a few years.

"We should do a post mortem but first, fuck you specifically AOC."

Funny that lemmy.world keeps whining about .ml types trying to get people not to vote when these fucking neoliberal ghouls are a better argument against it than anything they could ever say.
- I vote Democrat because the other option is a Fascist, Democrats do this shit like breathing and it only makes me hate filling the bubble of "Not the open fascist party" party.
  
  I've always wanted to ask how nice that sheriff was. I've read that he let you take visitors in his office and whatnot.
- The election was an opportunity to keep the GOP out of power and enacting fascist rule. Doesn't matter how awful the dems were they would never reach that level depravity. It was a total lost opportunity for anyone who did not support the Democrat candidate.
  That said there is no cause that the DNC can have significant impact on moving forward. They failed at the one thing they were suppose to do. It's a sunk cost, because we know they can't consistently win or even win decisively. It's so sick that every election for the last 10 years has been GOP favored. It doesn't make any sense but here we are.

Old fucks clinging on to power relentlessly

Why the fuck won't that old bitch just get the fuck out? Her and Feinstein, two fucking peas in a pod. Dragging the entire democratic party down into the dumpster fire that it has become.

goddamn nancy it’s going so well so far, keep squeezing it’s almost dead.

I'm glad she broke her hip. Genuinely, she deserves worse for constantly sabotaging any efforts to actually represent the working class in the Democratic Party.

Oh, an old guy, super surprised. But yeah if you haven't seen the other committee seat fights; there is a real fight going on right now for the future of the Democratic Party. The committee seats are probably the most outward expression of it.

When will the Democrats have a new leader? To then get rid of this idiot.
- She's not even the leader anymore (that's Hakeem Jeffries) she's doing this just because she's a ghoul.
  
  I mean, she no longer holds the title of House Speaker, but the idea that Jeffries is the leader is a joke. After Harris lost, NYT was interviewing Pelosi, not Jeffries. She didn't let Jeffries take over because she was abdicating power; she was deflecting criticism.
  
  There are leaders and there are Leaders, there's also party positions wholly outside of Congress. The Minority or Majority Speaker in Congress is not necessarily the leader of the party.

[indecipherable] you Nancy!

Can Pelosi just sit her big ass titties down and let us move on?

Remember, the Democrats lost to Trump on purpose.
- Nah, that's a load of bs. The Democrats lost to Trump due to deep internal corruption and incompetence.
- I don't think it was purpose, but they sure aren't showing much effort. They're used to living comfortable lives no matter who wins.

Oh, Pelosi bad....
Ever stop to think that she may owe political favor to AOC's competitor? The democrats hold elections for chairs, and there is lots of this.
Nevermind..
Pelosi bad....
- Kind of irrelevant what her reasoning is. It’s a bad and stupid move politically. People are frustrated with the dems and are disengaging. They need change in leadership if they want to remain relevant. Pelosi and her ilk are out of touch and will run the country into the ground if they don’t step aside.
  
  AOCs competitor is very well liked, even by AOC, and the caucus is roughly cut in half. It's a vote, let's see what happens. Pelosi gave up the leader role, but that doesn't mean every chair is up for grabs.
- Regardless of this action, Pelosi is bad.
- How are you so consistently on the wrong side of every issue? Are you like a staffer for a conservative Democrat or something?
  
  No. Just a realist in an unreal world.
- So your defense of Nancy Pelosi is that she might be corrupt and screwing over AOC as quid pro quo? That's meant to make us feel better?
  
  My defense,if you can call it that, is that she's paying back a political favor to Gerry Collins who is running against AOC. That is the way the House and political favors work. You may not like it, but I assure you AOC does it to.
- you're not wrong, but you said it in a really fucked up and retarded way.
- Write better.