Sony. What are you even doing right now? PS5 Pro Announcement

I know what I'm doing
- implying i have 70 friends who don't own Terraria already.
  
  I’ll be your friend (I have never played Terraria)
  
  Implying i have 70 friends
- Hey, friend.

not entirely related but I guarantee you'd have more fun playing some cheap indie game with your close friends on a $800 PC
- Ngl your comment made me look up what I could get for ab. $800
  RTX 4060 302.15€
  Ryzen 5 4500 67.45€
  Decent AM4 mainboard 57.07€
  Decent CPU air cooler 21.07€
  Thermal paste 3.01€
  16 GB DDR4 RAM 35.20€
  Semi-Modular 600W PSU 75.07€
  500GB M.2 NVMe SSD 34.58€
  2TB HDD 35.20€
  Case 85.61€
  Wifi card 25.10€
  PC building tutorial: free on YT or just follow the instructions of your case and mainboard...
  Software not included so people can look up what Windows officially charges them for showing them ads
  That makes 741.51€ or $817.57 for a pretty damn good custom pc... And it could be way less if you went for 2nd hand parts / better deals
  I would rather build it myself than buying a cheap prebuilt one from a no name bc a friend of mine tried that and got scammed and realized way too late sadly
  
  That's not a bad build, really. Although I can't imagine the air cooler will be necessary for a 4500, much rather use the stock and possibly upgrade to 32gb RAM if in budget. My stock 2000 series Wraith cooler has done me well in 40c summers.

Remember when some top Sony exec said that this generation wouldn't need a pro, and that that was a unique PS4 generation thing?
- Looking at GTA6 I wonder if a normal PS5 can even run the game at the resolution from the trailer

I'm not buying the pro, the PS6 or the next Xbox series console.
This gen felt like a waste of money to me, with only minute differences at a huge cost.
I'll wait until 4 years into the new console gen to decide.
Until then, I have my pc and my 7800xt Nitro+
- “Minute differences” is a bit absurd. It may have been a bit too long since you’ve booted up your PS4.
  
  I stopped after the PS3wii360 but I have to say, the PS4 was legit garbage that took FOREVER to load and played like poo (hence why I stopped) but I gotta admit the base PS5 and Xbox whatever are FANTASTIC machines. The AMD video chips and SSDs make a heck of a difference.
  
  Nah, better lighting doesn't do a damn thing to make a game more fun. The only notable difference that even matters is better load times.
  
  We gained ssd drives sure, I agree that's a great improvement.
  But 4k30 still feels like a minute upgrade as it's not native 4k.
  Forget about the stated 8k on the PS5 box, lol.
  What else did we gain... Less battery life for the controller (but the haptics are great).
  More thumbstick drift.
  Maybe, 8 exclusives? 12?
  Not worth it to me.
- This gen felt like a waste of money to me, with only minute differences at a huge cost.
  Nah, SSDs are a massive upgrade, even ignoring everything else.
  I could never go back to the spinning disk hard drives.
  
  Agreed. SSDs are insane. I have every console from the 2600 to the PS3wii360 but stopped at the PS4 Gen because they were terrible.
  The PS5 is a wonderful machine (but I’m still only a computer bitch forever now)
  
  Specifically m.2 nvme. The 4 had ssd drives. The 5 has nvme form factor which is 600-700% faster read/write than Sata drives.
- Make no mistake, the 4 pro to the 5 is a huge upgrade. The disk read time from nvme alone is worth the upgrade. But the 5 to 5 pro doesn't really seem like it would be worth buying another console. The 6 might be worth a replacement, but who knows. That's 4 years away.
- To be fair, the PS5 was the worst investment I made last year. I did never buy a PS4, I own PSX, 2 and 3 tho.
  
  It feels like PS3 was the biggest leap in technology. I loved my PS3, and had a ton of games for it. Since then it's been incremental, faster loading times, incrementally better graphics, and such. The PS5 makes loading screens on Bethesda games tolerable to me
- I think I am going to go Xbox next time around for console games. The PS5 has been a let down in terms of game selection and overall improvements. I actually get mad when I go to look at games in the store and the ads and clips are blurry and low res because Sony dont invest in their backend to stream at a decent resolution.
  I bought a meh pc yesterday because Im going to use that moving forward, pay for myinternet once and use it when I want.
  
  If you think the ps5 game selection is bad wait till you see what xbox doesn't have. And everything exclusive to xbox is on PC. Sony has been absolutely mopping the floor with xbox this gen, which is probably why they think people will spend $700 in the pro.
  And how's your internet? Because I've never thought the videos on the store were bad enough to complain about. Might not be 4k but its never been blurry for me.
- I would have considered a new console if I could follow the naming convention. this pro and series whatever nonsense is too confusing for someone who isn't plugged into console generations anymore.
  
  Ok, xbox is confusing with the one, one x, series x. Etc But PS is PS5 and ps5pro. And I guess whether you want a disc drive.
  PS has kept their naming consistent enough that it's not hard to figure out. Ps4 and ps5 are obviously different gens, one x series x doesn't inform you in any way what's better.
  
  It's difficult for you to follow that 5 is higher than 4 and that Pro is better than non-Pro? Seriously?

This thing is expensive, and I probably won’t get one.
But the Panasonic 3DO cost $700 in 90s money and that thing sucked ass, so this price isn’t something we’ve never seen before.
Sony does need to read the room, though. It’s a bit of a bad look.
- Prices have changed since then, tvs were serious investments that ate up a significant portion of your income. It was a different consideration back then.
- Ah, the 3DO. So much hype from Trip Hawkins.
- I think Sony is trying for bankruptcy. With that whole PSN thing with, which game was it, Helldivers? Just...who would ever buy anything from Sony ever again?

Who is this guy and why should I care what he says?
Edit: Since no one could answer it. He's an indie developer and made a few games. Silver Falls, Clasherball, and Animelee. He also says he's a consultant, based on the video, but I couldn't find anything of him doing that.
So he's slightly a step above a regular guy making some video complaining.
- He says in the video. He's been a marketing consultant for some really big companies. No one is better to talk about poor marketing decisions than someone who does it for a living and for big companies. And his iew point aligns closely with what most people are thinking.
  Tbh you can decide for yourself how valid what he says it. Just watch the video. Its only short but it makes alot of sense.
  
  I did watch the video. It's why I asked. Anyone can say they are a consultant, and he doesn't really mention much to back that claim. He doesn't say anything novel either.
  I'm not trying to be hypercritical, but if someone says that they are a credible source I want to know why.
- Who are you and why should I care what you write?
  
  Sure I can answer that for you.
  A regular guy, and you don't have to.

I don't think it's worth it, especially if you already own a PS5.
But what did people think it was going to cost?
- PS4 was $400 at launch. PS4 Pro was $400 at launch.
  Obviously tech is getting more expensive to produce instead of cheaper now, but still, a $200 markup from the base price is pretty damn huge.
  
  PS4 Pro was still obscenely underpowered. Jaguar was terrible at PS4's original launch, and the boost on the Pro was marginal because it was still the same terrible underlying design.
  Going into the PS5 pro, everyone projected this pricing, because it's actually modern hardware and their costs have went up instead of down.
  
  Computing hardware when the PS4 and PS4 pro came out was still in the before times when new hardware meant doing more for the same money. It’s been a minute since those times and that isn’t really something Sony has any control over.
  Meanwhile you also have a weird phenomenon that didn’t exist during the PS4 generation where you have a huge spike in inflation between your base console and pro launch. When the PS5 launched at cost $500, but $500 then is more than $600 now. The PS5 pro is really only $100 more in 2024 money than the PS5 was at launch.
  Maybe Sony is making the wrong move here but understanding the market and economy as it is today, I’m not sure what else they could have done besides not launch a pro console at all.
- I will have to wait and see, but if it competes with high-end hardware on PC in terms of 4K support and high framerates I think €800 is pretty reasonable. I see people online claiming that it should've been like €600 or maybe €650. But a RTX4080 GPU alone is more expensive than that already, and it's not even top of the line. But if you want advanced raytracing, maxed out settings and 4K you'll definitely need something in that price range of GPUs at minimum.
  People don't NEED to upgrade to the PS5 Pro, it seems more like an alternative for people who already own 4K TVs and want to make better use of it. I'd be more annoyed about the lack of a disc drive.
  That said, I think the real issue is if developers start abandoning the original PS5 hardware in favor of the new ones and start getting lazy and stop optimising their games for the older PS5. Which would in fact make the upgrade to a Pro almost mandatory if you want to keep playing at reasonable framerates.
  
  It won't come close to a 4080 so that isn't a sensible comparison. I think it's estimated to be slower than the regular 4070.
  IDK why you mention 4k and max settings and high frame rates, PS5 Pro won't do these things. It's not even twice as fast as the regular PS5 which in many games drops below 1080p 60fps medium settings.
  
  I mean developers still haven’t really abandoned the PS4 have they? I’ve pretty much stopped playing games on my PS4, but last I checked any new release I would have wanted was coming out on both PS4 and PS5.
- Going eco is all the rage, so probably tree fiddy.

I regret buying a PS5 at all. I haven't been a PSN subscriber for over three years at this point and I don't feel inclined to be in the future. All the games my friends and I play are on PC and really the only game worth a damn is Astrobot, which is far and away the most fun platformer game I've played and is the sole game to justify that console purchase lol.
I echo the other comments here saying this generation is a waste, it really is and there is nothing really to be gained by getting the latest and "greatest" console today. Maybe it's just a sign of the times that consoles just don't have that much pull like they used to, unless they're portable like the Steam Deck or Switch.
- The PS 5 price was very reasonable, considering how expensive it was to build a PC at that time, now the PS5 Pro is a completely different beast and I do agree it makes very little sense.

Sony saw the incredible success of the Stadia and is moving in that direction.

I love my PS5.
But I also just got a Ryzen 9 5900x for $300 off, I have a RTX 2070 Super. My PS5 can play games with HDR at 4k at 30fps. Big ol 65" screen. With the Ryzen 7 3700x I could get like 70 FPS on cyberpunk 2077 on my 2k monitor 27" screen, no HDR with DLSS3 enabled.
The processor upgrade alone was an huge boost to game quality for $250. Since I now don't have to replace all my internals to utilize an RTX 4080 Super, I'm getting one of those.
The RTX 4080 Super has an HDMI 2.1 port, so I can use VRR on my TV and enjoy the 120hz smooth frame rate.
The PS5 pro is essentially the same as the PS4 Pro was the last generation. It you have a PS5, you won't notice a huge difference.
- Look into moonlight streaming and you can get the same PC experience on your tv, too
  
  Is it still kicking? I didn't have a lot of success with it in the past, I'll give it another shot