GottiGoFast [none/use name] @hexbear.net

1y ago

Can we stop making fun of 9/11 here?

That was one of the biggest tragedies in recorded history. Do you even know what it did to the economy? It was like Black Monday on a 5x multiplier.

The World Trade Center, keyword TRADE. This isn't pokemon shit, this is real-world stocks and dollars. The portfolios were ruined.

The next time you laugh at that, think about the human beings that had their vacation bonuses decimated that day. Think about how the economic blow made countries like China catch up to us. Just think about that.

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- The 100th episode of Frasier, titled "The 1000th Show", was filmed on location in Seattle, Washington, on the real Frasier Crane Day--September 11, 1997.

- I still love how these were made within hours of the first plane hitting
  
  It was worth every second of dial up months later discovering these
  
  Another very early one

The worst thing about 9/11 is people want to make it into some kind of conspiracy or terrorist attack. The universe can't just be a chaotic place where things randomly and arbitrarily happen. Planes can't crash and it be a totally normal mechanical/atmospheric thing, even though these same people acknowledge that happens multiple times per year. It has to be some Scooby Doo mystery where 19 people "hijacked" planes or the bad guy of the week did it to be evil.
- (3) You may then dispute that all the above does not justify aggression against civilians, for crimes they did not commit and offenses in which they did not partake:
  (a) This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want.
  -Osama bin Laden
  
  When people pin the accidents on Osama bin Laden, that's just sad to me. Boeing is to blame for whatever fault caused the accidents. Maybe the FAA.

America didn't deserve 9/11. Here, i said it.
- 9/11 didn't really happen to america it happened to a bunch of random people. It was bad not even close to the worst thing that has ever happened and in no way justified killing a bunch of random iraqis

sorry the second you said 9/11 i started laughing uncontrollably

Ummmm, Folks....

Yes, I will stop.
- Thank you. I know how hard it was for you to make the change.

3,000 innocents vs 5,000 American soldiers KIA vs 500k--2mil dead Afghanis and Iraqis...
I stand with Flava Flav--911 is still a joke

I would never joke about 9/11 to someone who actually lost friends or family during the event. On an individual level, it really was an unspeakable tragedy and immensely traumatizing for thousands of people.
But meanwhile the US government will still not apologize for nuking Japan twice, pulverizing primary schools and killing 30x as many people in the blink of an eye. So yeah, on that scale 9/11 is a hilarious joke indeed.
- As someone who’s lost people during 9/11 and saw the towers fall from New Jersey… you can make fun of me for all of the above.

I'll never make fun of the reactionary counter-revolution that brought down the Allende government on 9/11/1973

ironically, 9/11 is Airplane! for millennials. People born after us will forever be confused as to why we find it so funny

Dark humor to cope is funneee

I love how the most unanimously evil person in the world to every American was a gamer weeb with a laptop full of hentai
- It's a pretty decent refutation of Great Man Theory. bin Laden was just a guy who had the right connections to get the attack plan rolling. The hijackers were just 19 random dudes, not commandos or spec ops. Their plan worked because it was a vector of attack that hadn't been seriously considered and no one was really trying to defend against.
  
  Their plan worked because somebody with authority over NORAD rescheduled a bunch of training simulations of commercial plane terrorist hijackings for the morning of 9/11. That vector of attack was calculated and they had the perfect defense from it. Somebody on the inside sabotaged those defenses.

Perhaps I haven’t steeped in the irony here long enough, maybe no one here is serious and I’m missing the point. If the joke is civilian deaths, that’s fucked up. Otherwise if it’s about the subsequent hysteria and propaganda, then that makes sense. Just having trouble parsing some of the comments.
- The joke is that 9/11 was blowback from decades of US meddling in the middle east, especially it's support for Saudi and it's actions in Afghanistan. While the specifics weren't readily predictable a major attack on the US from al-Qaeda or affiliated groups was inevitable. They'd already tried to blow up the WTC once in I want to say 1994. The US then used this blowback to gut it's own civil rights, re-structure it's government along more explicitly fascist lines, and launch a totally unrelated war to pillage Iraq that murdered a million people an destabilized the region. The GWOT was used as a blanket excuse for regimes all over the world to pass sweeping new police state powers and suppress or exterminate challenges to their power under the pretense of counter-terror operations. The US officially made torture legal, crushed numerous domestic pro-democracy movements, and diverted trillions of dollars to the MIC.
  Basically the whole situation is so utterly, madness-makingly absurd what can you do except joke about it? It changed the course of the history of the world, touching almost every country in the world, highlighting the naked hypocrisy of The West, strengthening many of The Wests enemies in entirely predictable ways, and slaughtering vast numbers of innocent people totally unrelated to the nominal causus belli. If it hadn't actually happened you'd only expect to reach about it in something like a Pinchon novel.
  There's a lot of existentialism, nihilism, and absurdism on the left, given it's broadly materialist grounding and tendency towards athesim or agnosticism. Humor is one of the main ways to cope with the inherent meaninglessness of existence. Joking about a US tragedy also undermines the power of US propaganda - By mocking the event we deny the religious, sacred significane placed on it by the US's twisted American Civic Religion.

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