I'm getting a little tired of Hexbear shitting on the Burning Man situation.
I'm getting a little tired of Hexbear shitting on the Burning Man situation.
Pyramid Lake is now a fully autonomous collective in Nevada. Hexbear users are sitting in their nice, air-conditioned, bedrooms while actual workers are out there building community support during a disaster. They are pooling resources, rationing, and helping one another survive. I thought the point was to have support, albeit critical, for AES, but I guess not. Burning Man is closer to Marx's ideal socialist state than China ever will be.
Can we just defederate from them already? What is the point in continuing to exist with people who actively spew hatred and misinformation about our comrades in Nevada?
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I come from a formerly colonized country and reading our history and the strong imperialistic behavior of a lot of contries today made me enjoy some of your takes about how strong countries are exploiting weak ones and trying to paint themselves heroes instead of aggressors but y'all seem borderline psychopathic.
We're mostly just goofing on the fact that a bunch of rich kids got their environmentally disastrous vacation ruined by rain.
Nobody is actually sick or dying at burning man right now, that's all fake. It's just rich people being mildly inconvenienced and destroying their $40,000 cars because they'd rather do that than camp in the rain.
This. Burning Man is built on hipocracy and actual, literal bougies decadence. They can survive a little rain, they'll be fine. And they'll be telling each other how they survived the rainy burning man with pride for the rest of their lives.
When I went to the rez in South Dakota recently we had three days straight of literal monsoons, the sun dancers continued dancing all day through those rains. We didn't have half the resources these bourgie ass fucks have access to.
My favorite Burning Man anecdote was one I read in a magazine about a decade and change ago about San Francisco, right when the last traces of the old hippie counterculture was being snuffed out by techbros. It was a not-rich San Franciscan talking about their difficulties with the housing market. They had a floor they were renting from an old landlord, but the house got bought out by a new owner that promptly told them they were getting kicked out. They went to the new landlord’s floor to ask for an extension as they were having trouble finding new housing. The landlord was in the process of putting on this ridiculous light-up jacket and snapped at them, “Can’t you see I’m getting ready for Burning Man!?” Which says everything about both Burning Man and San Francisco.
Fair enough.
Yep, I actually enjoy and somewhat regularly go camping in the rain by myself, so it's really funny to me to see hundreds of people freaking out like their life is over because they're experiencing a much cushier version of something I do for fun. They've brought generators and buildings and camper vans. Totally just "first world problems" complaining.
The fake stuff about Ebola or whatever would be fucked up to laugh at of it were true, I'll agree with you there
From this perspective, yeah. The articles make it seem they're experiencing a big flood but if it's like you say then it kinda make me angry and quite sad that i fell for it. My bad.
They've so far received about 2cm of rain. There may be as much as an additional 2 cm of rain. Not really a huge flood.
So this thing is mostly a show of the organizers having failed infrastructure, having failed to deal with relatively low rain and not having sensible sanitation infrastructure, as well as having a focus on car travel instead of public transport to the event area? I do get that in the desert your storm water takes time to get into the ground, but what you describe is not that big a problem, if you have the means to deal with it.
Rainfall reports from the National Weather Service suggest up to 0.8 inches of rain fell in the area from Friday morning through Saturday morning – approximately two to three months of rainfall for that location this time of year. Even small rainfall totals can lead to flooding in the dry Nevada desert.
Flood watches were in effect in northeast Nevada, to the east of Black Rock City. Those watches noted individual storms were producing up to one inch of rainfall, but higher totals — as much as 3 inches — would be possible through the weekend.
The festival, which began in 1986, is held each summer in Black Rock City – a temporary metropolis that is erected annually for the festival. The city comes complete with planning services, emergency, safety and sanitary infrastructure.
Doesn't seem to be "complete with sanitary and safety infrastructure". If you wouldn't do it in a desert you could also ensure good seepage, and using other kind of toilets would've reduced the problem with the toilets. All in all an example of US individualism in planing for communal events.
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I think they site that Burning Man is at is technically in a basin or valley between some mountain ranges, so that 2cm of rain collects from miles around and comes flowing right down to them. Nobody is getting drowned or anything, there aren't any wadis near enough to where Burning Man's at, but I could believe that for a while there was 10 or 20 cm of standing water for a few hours.
In addition to what others has said its worth noting that there's a level of irony to the fact that people who go to burning man tend to be wealthy young people who go to engage in a drug fueled hedonistic play at anarchism and community before returning to their lives of every day imperial excess. But when their pseudo community encounters any adversity they panic and wreck their dads rv fleeing to safety. Its funny to see their hypocrisy exposed, much like many people felt about fyre festival.
We laugh at rich people suffering.
but y'all seem borderline psychopathic.
Why do you feel the need to pathologize and medicalize? You are likely 27 years old, you had therefore time to reflect a bit about your ableism and neuro-normativity.
This is an honest question.
You couldn't be more wrong about me aside from the age. Your quite close. Enjoying people suffering isn't something to be proud of. It can happen when it's someone that hurt you directly but that's rare.
Why is it relevant whether or not it's direct? You said yourself that you enjoy our criticism of imperialist countries. Wouldn't the imperial subject wishing harm on the rulers of the imperial core be psychopathic, then, just because the harm comes about indirectly?
These are people not rulers.
The majority of Burning Man participants these days are members of the bourgeoisie, with those that are not, many of them in direct control of the policies that dictate the majority of our social interactions online. Some are influencers, a cancer upon a dying society.
They are closer to 'being in control' than not.
You couldn't be more wrong about me aside from the age.
So you say you did not have time to reflect on your ableism and such?
Bro , am handicaped.
Bro (but honestly you could've also used my name), I am handicapped by society, too.
If you are one of us don't throw pathologizing words around as slurs.
So, I should've wrote junefall instead of bro? (honest question ). I also don't get the handicapped by society thing.
the [none/use name] in that username is one of the pronouns you can use on hexbear. it's generally nice to try and respect people's requests and how they identify themselves. that being said, bro isn't the most egregious thing to call someone, but now that you know you can see them in hexbear and other instances usernames and know what they mean :)
No worries, Junefall rather than Bro. At least if you use "Bro" as gendered term (or you want to be friendly, then use the name or "you" instead).
Also before I write more: I read that you commented and read what others wrote and answered, so I want to iterate that you are welcome here. You seem to be good faithed.
I dislike labeling myself as handicapped (well in my first language), as while my body and head work different to most of my friends and the people I meet outside there is no "norm", no default to which to conform to. Our bodies just are, they are shaped by evolution and such, but each body is unique and individual, there is no idealist perfected version of me. So while I can do some things and can't do other things are well or better than others mostly I am handicapped by society.
Society demands a ton of stuff which is not possible for me and stuff that is easy for me they act as if it is a hard incomprehensible thing to do. A friend of mine uses a wheelchair and society builds doors which in old buildings are often too small to get in, this is discrimination (handicap) by society, she does also bring her own chair to events (the wheelchair) which sometimes is troublesome when the tables or chairs in the room are bolted down to the ground and it also means that society does accommodate for people who need chairs (though not for me who can't properly sit on most chairs).
Basically my body is as it is and got its problems which could be better, but that is just life. I use tools and medication to improve how it works, but what I can and can't do is often mediated by society and society is which does actively handicap me. It is a concept I didn't come up with, but which re-framed how I think, so I just took it for me. Some aspects of it are covered under the so called: Social model of disability, but it isn't a 100% fit for me.
I apologize then.
On side note : both of the languages am very familiar with aside from English are heavily gendered and it affects how i use language in my brain. A bit like how Russian people have two words for the light and dark shade of blue which made them faster at detecting difference in the shading of that color and according to some harder to learn the English word for blue due to the lack of this distinction.
Also , it's important to note that In most of the gendered languages the masculine form is neutral and in my mind i wasn't gendering you but just using a word used to call someone attention.
All this to say that i believe oneself shouldn't bound it's perception of self to language since there are thousands of languages all very different from each other and people coming from them to English are implicitly affected by their mother tongue and any other language they may know. Just be yourself in life and leave abstraction of ideas to be just that. If words can't define you, they shouldn't affect how you view yourself.
Sorry, if i touch a sensitive issue.
Also , it's important to note that In most of the gendered languages the masculine form is neutral and in my mind i wasn't gendering you but just using a word used to call someone attention.
Yeah, but we have quite a bit of research to the contrary, that the masculine form is actually not processed as neutral. There are some who try to keep up the "masculine means all", but honestly there are a couple of experiments which in my opinion falsify that.
One question you could ask is if statistically people mention the most common self labeled genders mostly equal in speech, but that is something that I have yet to see actually be done successfully. The contradiction to it was shown in studies though.
There was a test done that asked a group of french speakers and German speakers to write a poem about the moon. In French it's feminine and is German it's masculine. They found that they gave it attributes and descriptions based on gender it has in their corresponding languages so the gendering does in fact affect the perception of the speaker. If the norm of the language is to use masculine for neutral, why would it work differently ?
I think statistically, we use 'I' and 'you' the most when speaking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_as_norm#Simone_de_Beauvoir
Gesturing at "some studies" when our friend didn't even specify the languages they were coming from isn't very compelling.
Also, they did still apologize and at least imply they would correct their behavior, so it seems like a scenario where not even acknowledging -- let alone accepting -- their apology isn't productive.
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So me saying that laughing at people misfortune (albeit heavily exaggerated by media ) is bad is comparable to whatever the horrible things hotwheels did ?
And while i don't condone his other views and based on a personal experience, when you are handicaped (mine isn't that bad all things considered and yet i felt it) you sometimes feel like it would be better if you didn't exist and that people shouldn't have to suffer like you do. It's something that cross your mind and you can't fight it.
A bit ironic that a normal bodied person would call the feeling of handicaped persons that stems from their own personal life, experience and feelings as ableist. You can't hide from the truth that as much as therr is good in the world it is a horrible place for the weak.
From the Cambridge dictionary : ableist
adjective disapproving
coming from or having the belief that disabled people (= people who have an illness, injury, or condition that makes it difficult for them to do things that most other people can do) are not as good as people who are not disabled, or that they do not deserve special arrangements that help them to live their lives and be included in society.
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Psychopath is an ableist term ? You can't be serious.
Okay, am all for dialogue but that and the smuglord bit tell me enough to not waste my time. Good night.
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Don't worry. I will comeback but in the mean time bye. https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/84cf2687-8fa0-4d3f-b0ec-337d70d2b597.gif
That comparison is pretty fucked up to make and Ulysses is just being dunk-brained rn, and you're getting dogpiled harder than you deserve imo, so sorry about that.
We recently had a discussion on here about using terms as insults when they're also psychological conditions and decided we should stop (but like two weeks ago people probably wouldn't have made nearly as big a deal of it lol).
Also sorry but Burning Man sucks.
borderline psychopathic.
You get used to it after a while.
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