Biden introduces Zelenskiy as ‘President Putin’ at Nato summit
Biden introduces Zelenskiy as ‘President Putin’ at Nato summit
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Biden introduces Zelenskiy as ‘President Putin’ at Nato summit
Did he do it for the memes?
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Even if he goes full and permanent vegetable, he's still not Trump. Top priority is stopping Orange Hitler from taking control again, so please for the love of human rights, vote for whoever has the the best shot at beating him - if that's Biden, cool. If it's Harris, cool. If it's a literal ham sandwich, fucking fine - all three are orders of magnitude more qualified to do the job then Trump.
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Yeah, I'll vote blue... But get this fucker off the ticket. I'd much rather it be Kamala, or like... Nearly anyone really.
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Yeah, the question isn't who Democrats will vote for. It's who independents will vote for. And there are a lot of independents.
Relying on the "Never Trump" vote to win this election feels like a terrible risk.
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I've been trying to be positive about him but he's really indefensible at this point.
His hubris is very likely going to fuck things up for everyone.
Any other candidate will wipe the floor with trump.
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I think Kamala would be one of the single worst candidates we could put forth, but what do I know? I only worked for the dumpster fire of a DoJ she was partly responsible for.
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Maybe. Though I say we just come together, get his ass in, and then in the first year also get his ass out and let the VP or Speaker step in. Like it or not, changing now IS risky and it is arguable whether it's the better choice. I'll go with what the majority chooses because fighting against Trump and the GOP is what's important.
Let me repeat: We are in the game where we must do what the Republicans do and come together against a common enemy. So I recommend everyone agree on a candidate then shut up and checkmark that box. We can go back to verbally juxtaposing our positions through digital larping, or whatever it is we do when most of us forget politics exist for four years.
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I will take weekend at Bernie's in the White House with people who actually understand policies over fascist bat shit crazy any day. Not even a discussion for me.
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I think this is a dangerous attitude. He's made some gaffs recently but overall has not been a terrible person or leader. Supporting the possibility of dropping a candidate this late in the game especially when there are no super star saviors waiting in the wings is the kind of party weakness the GOP would eat up and is a recipe for failure. You don't have to love him at this point, but it's too late to start over, just suck it up make a donation to his campaign and vow to become more involved in political change at earlier levels so hopefully we are not in this mess again.
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I'm voting Joe because he is still the only qualified candidate for the job. The package he brings is a Vice President who could do the job if he were to step down due to health/age concerns to guarantee a female President as his dream come true. She then gets to pick her Vice President which should absolutely be AOC. The opposition has no convincing argument to draw this out in a court as they would need to present their arguments to AOC for rebuttal,
It's just so batshit crazy it can't fail.
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He has been a terrible candidate though. If the polling is accurate and trump has a slight lead in popular vote, Biden has less than a 5% chance of winning the election (according to Nate Silver’s models). Unfortunately, this is probably optimistic as polling has overestimated the democratic vote in the last 2 presidential elections including the one that included these same two candidates.
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That's just not flying with the ~100,000 people who are actually going to decide this election. They aren't going to vote Biden. Polling is making this very clear over the last week or so.
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Since literally anyone will be Not Trump then can we have someone actually good? That way we’d have “not Trump” and “actually good” both working for us! Win win!
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We can. But we won't. Murican politics will be riding this death spiral all the way into its grave.
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Going into survival mode forever, where either party can do whatever the frick they want, because they others mustn't win! Nice system you got there, where it's like 50\50 every time!
They present you a Trump and therefore they can even kill your kids, as long as Trump doesn't win. It's a scam.. both parties are in it. But they divided you all so perfectly fine, you stopped thinking a long time ago.
Looking forward to your comments, telling me about NO BOth SIdeS!
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Not sure why the downvotes. The American duopoly is a scam, you are very right. If there is any hope for change it needs to start lower down the food chain. Support the forward party, get involved in local politics, rally against gerrymandering as a hard as possible.
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Its truly an absolute shit system and it keeps itself propped up this way. What will it even take to see blue and red completely removed? Theyre both terrible options for the future of our world, but when November comes around, they're still on the ballot.
Until a revamped Constitution is written by people of all genders, colors, faith, wealth, and education, this will never end.
We can do better than this and it needs to happen now. Its already too late, but we can help slow the damage to our planet if we act quickly.
Tired of these popularity contests when we're literally living in a mass extinction.
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During Premier Trump's reign, on Reddit, that picture preview always pointed the way to the most roaring political dumpster fires.
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WDYM what now? Him being geriatric isn't new nor does it change anything.
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The funny thing is that Biden's had gaffes like this his whole career and could have laughed it off under other circumstances, but with the eyes of the entire world on him watching for him to have another senior moment this is another nail in the coffin.
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Trump at a rally this week: "Mothers will never again be forced to watch their children overdosing & hosp--lee. We will never allow mothers to watch their child hopelessly dying in their arms, screaming, 'What can I do? Help me God, what can I do?' We are a nation whose once revered airports are a dirty, crowded mess."
Has any media covered that word vomit?
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Trump’s brain is also absolutely cooked. He just doesn’t look as confused as Biden I think that helps him. Plus that his voters don’t care about facts, I’m guessing they might have actually had some bleach.
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No, because with Trump it has been normalized for years and his base couldn't care less about these things.
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Post a link... I believe you because that certainly sounds like Trump, but a transcript/video would really help it sink in
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I saw that clip. Actually deranged.
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Combined with his constant look of intense confusion, it seems like a lot more than senior moments.
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It’s a long moment
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Usually the old guy is the one INSIDE the coffin. Not the one nailing it shut......
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Comedy is hard, better luck next time!
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Biden has been dogshit in general for his entire career. Not sure why the party pushed so hard for him in 2020.
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I remember when Biden was picked as Obama's VP, and everyone laughed because he's known to make gaffes like this.
Obviously, there's a lot of scrutiny on him, but let's not pretend it's all because he's too old. It's just Biden being Biden, and while he's probably too old for the job, that's what happens when you don't impose upper age limits...
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"Um... let me be clear. My former VP pick has always sucked. He's not old. He's simply got a head full of busted marbles and wasn't employable anywhere outside of the US Senate. That's why I endorsed him to run in 2020. You people disgust me. You deserve what you get."
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So I should be able to look at 2020 debate footage and compare it to 2024 debate footage without a problem right?
Right?!?
This isn't just gaffes. The man is getting to an age where this stuff get harder every year. There's a reason the military has a mandatory retirement age of 62, even if you have a desk job.
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It's a concern because Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Kim... They're all well-spoken. They're all quick-witted.
What kind of message does that send would-be American allies in Asia, in the Middle East, in Africa, in South America?
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Guys, I'm not american, but at least today answering the press questions (no teleprompter) Biden was dishing out wisdom about economics and geopolitics and very thoughtful...he is just not very good with the whole "slick reality show clown president to distract the cattle while you rob them" part :/
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Unfortunately, that is what the voters want
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Or is it what media outlets want, for sensationalism and clicks, which in turn makes it all the voters focus on because there is nothing else?
Edit: Eh, writing this I apparently thought they wrote more/other things than they did. Ah well, I'll keep the comment up as a piece of history from my past.
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Brawndobleach, it's what the voters crave. It's got electrolytes :/
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Yeah Biden has always said stupid shit too, but you're not going to convince most people of that. They will assume it's due to senility. I'd say that's certainly part of it, but it's also par for the course for Biden.
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“Tim Apple”
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Even a broken clock generates one single lasting golden meme during its presidency
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He was just asked about his confidence in Kamala to be able to beat Trump, should he be succeeded(sp?)... and he referred to Trump as his VP and then meandered into some vague talking points.
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I thought you were trolling, like in a "you have to double check if I'm bullshitting you now" kind of way. But it's actually true... and unlike his Putin remark he didn't seem to even notice he said it.
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Its only been getting worse as this post conference pressser has gone on.
He has forgotten entirely to respond to parts of a multipart question, meandered into basically 'I sat down with Golda Meir and Yitsak Rabin and we accomplished peace!', just keeps repeating things he did (some of which are legitimate accomplishments) that have little to do with the questions asked...
... "You said your presidency would be a bridge to younger candidates, what happened to that?"
Rambles about being in the Senate a really long time
... at one point he actually said, outloud, 'How do I not make this seem self centered?' before answering a 'Considering the stakes, do you really think you should run?' type of question.
In the time I have been typing this he has basically barked in anger after a short response to a question that was followed by the reporter asking 'thats all?'.
He also keeps doing the sort of asshole loud whisper sarcasm voice.
He is coming off as a sundowning angry old man who doesn't want his car keys taken away.
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Yes, I think the people here claiming Biden is as sharp now as 4 years ago, that he's always made these "gaffes," must either 1) not have watched him actually make these errors to see how bad they were 2) do not remember how sharp he was comparatively 4 years ago and/or 3) have never been around someone with cognitive decline and don't recognize how serious it is.
And the Putin remark - he caught himself, but still couldn't remember Zelensky's name. And he's met Zelenksy a few times, he should know him.
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I mean… it was pretty bad but also clearly a slip of tongue as it didn’t confuse the sentence or message - not great though , fuck the DNC
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Caught that too, was rough to watch.
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Oh my god.....I thought /u/sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip was joking. Biden really said trump as his VP??? God damn this is not a good look......
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If I were a Trump supporter, I'd be making a meme of Trump as Bob Page from the DX intro bemoaning 'old men' playing at running the world.
See, it wouldn't click with the MAGA crowd that Page is the bad guy, so they would think it was funny.
Well I guess all I can say is what a shame.
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Im sorry, im just not getting this.
You're worried about someone who says some dumb things when the other choice is a convicted felon, known sexual abuser, who's actively fighting the democracy you stand for and first act as non-president was to try overthrow your government.
Trump should be in prison or hung, and you're comparing him to someone who says dumb things. TRUMP IS A THREAT TO HUMAN RIGHTS, GLOBAL STABILITY AND THE FUTURE OF FUCKING HUMANITY.
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I'm not sure what your point is. Even people voting for Biden because Fuck Trump have reasons to be concerned about the current/next president having pudding brains. Assuming Trump loses, once the election is over that's still going to be a pressing issue.
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All of what you are saying being true, how does it negate the statement of the previous poster?
Their point was clear, even a brain dead, vegetable humonculous is preferable to Trump for the next turn at president. Whether that solves the entire problem or not (it does not) is irrelevant
If Biden wins and we avoid apocalypse for a bit, we can then deal with the issue of a vegetable president and that is a much lesser issue to address
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Reagan proved conclusively that an effective government can have a dementia patient as the figurehead. It isn't ideal, but the people he is surrounded by make a huge difference.
Now, I'm not saying I agree with the policies his presidency promoted, but it was still effective
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Which is exactly why it's really important to have an opponent to Trump who doesn't say dumb things.
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Have he said something even close to the stupidity of Trump? Like suggesting bleach against Covid? Why should all Trump opponents be measured with a different scale then Trump. Could you imagine the number of headlines required if Trump would get a headline every time he does anything on this scale?
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Bullshit. If the media scrutinizes your hypothetical candidate for not having cured cancer, do we need to find someone who cured cancer so we can run them? Fuck those disingenuous bastards, they would talk shit about Christ himself if he ran as a Democrat.
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Thanks dude, im an Australian, living in Australia but this whole "the non rapist, non fascist, non criminal guy who has a raspy voice, stutter, forgets a name guy is equal or worst to the Fascist, Rapist Paedophile Destroy the World cunt" is fucking nuts. America, grow the fuck up.
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Is it not painfully obvious to everyone including in other nations that we are being uno-reverso'd the classic CIA destabilization plot? Down to supporting right wing movements and fascists? Like our country is under attack. "Grow up" - this is a war being fought online, with weapons we've never dealt with before as a society: AI, algorithms, data mining, bot armies
And truly it's a sophisticated way to attack the US. We can't be fought economically or with actual arms; we will win those battles most likely. So if we just attack ourselves and take ourselves out, even if we are just wounded from the devastation to our education system or slowed down from implementing technology/infrastructure, it still massively helps other countries catch up and even pass us in some regards.
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You're conflating all Americans.
We smart ones get it. The problem is the idiots don't mind rapists or terrorists. They mind "loser" qualities.
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It's not about what people here believe. Lemmy trends HEAVILY left wing. It's about people already saying both candidates suck and don't want to vote or centrists who lean left electing not to vote.
Unfortunately, republicans tends heavily toward the elderly who always vote. Any vote not cast is a vote for fascism. People who care are scared. I am scared. We need someone who will get people in boothes.
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Oh, both candidates do suck. But I'd rather have the wrong name on my coffee than someone who gives me a wrong order, tells me I clearly ordered a tea, beats up my wife and destroys my kids future then says how great they are.
Fully agree your need more in booths - unfortunately if the threat of Trump isn't big enough i don't know what you could bring to the table that is.
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And Biden enables genocide, among a lifetime history of right wing views such as fighting for segregation.
Trump and Biden are not good options.
People should be furious the Dems allowed him to be in this position today, not sucking it up and pushing harder for it.
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Do you have a source on the fighting for segregation - first I've heard?
I strongly disagree with Biden enabling genocide - America isn't the global police, the UNSC are impotent, and even if you isolate to just the US you're looking at 35 odd years of US strategic interests and policy, dependence on foreign fuel (and denial to other superpowers), global trade chokepoints, a military industrial complex that touches every part of the US economy and American wishes to be a beacon of liberty. No 3 year president can fight that and maintain a stable country.
Yup, Bernie sanders would have been a much better choice but he's not a choice that can be made - you can have either blundering buffoon or egotistical, sexist, racist criminal as the most powerful person in the world.
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If you insist in framing it that way, know that it comes with the job of being US president https://chomsky.info/1990____-2/
If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged.
and Biden is far from the worst in the war crime enabler list, considering he has to deter the most fascist Israeli government ever...
So...go vote for the least bad option that disempowers you the least.
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TRUMP IS A...
Then it's a good thing he's decided not to run for President. Oh wait, he is running? Then we're screwed, if we rely on people voting for their best interests, just like in 2016, rather than just throwing their vote into the ring in order to watch the world burn.
Like it or not, some people aren't going to vote for Biden. We can acknowledge that now, or acknowledge it later. Btw, I really hope I'm wrong, especially since it looks like we're going with the latter.:-( I definitely was wrong in 2016, thinking that there was no way that Trump would win against Hillary.
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I feel Trump got in as "something different" and "can't do worse".
Woops
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Do you not realize that saying the wrong things is a manifestation of mental processes that aren’t connecting right?
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Who gives a fuck? Even if that's the case (which it's not), it's better than fascism. This is a pointless line of thinking when it comes to the election.
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A saddening phenomenon that's likely to happen if this continues ... is people opening up about how they saw the decline way before the debate but presumed it was a "one off" or "bad night". I think it's already started somewhat.
But the picture that could emerge with pretty high clarity is that "the issue" was covered by an inner group and ignored by those peripherally exposed to it ... all instead of the party preparing for it, preparing new potential candidates, and taking seriously the notion from Biden in 2020 that he wouldn't run in 2024.
Losing to Trump a second time by sticking to a party elder is going to be a big deal (if it happens of course). It will probably look more like the Dems losing than trump winning, and it prob will look like the Dems allowing it all to happen out of hubris and stupidity, not unlike the RBG fuck up. Could seriously shake the party up?
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And also the entire Hillary fiasco, where she barely campaigned in midwestern states. I wonder if they are truly so wealthy and disconnected as to literally not realize what is going on - for them, the economy is "fine" and so everything is hunky-dory, so if they plan on losing rather than put in someone that they don't feel that they have as much control over as Biden, then... that might be the end of democracy. Heck, that SCOTUS ruling is already in the past now - maybe they are ready to end the fiction that our votes matter any longer?
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Yea, that the term "Blue MAGA" has arisen out of this is kinda telling. Once you see it in the "Biden is our president, if you're not voting for him you're part of the problem" types, you can't unsee it.
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I mean, I don’t think this old babbling windbag should be the candidate either.
But my thing is, who do the democrats even have to run in place of him? Kamala would lose in a landslide because this is the US and she’s a woman of color (not to mention a cop, so you lose both the left and the “centrist” closeted racist dems and anyone that was still somehow weighing a trump vote (they exist, somehow)), and everyone else in the party has limited appeal. Not to mention the incumbent advantage.
We shouldn’t be in this position, no matter what. But we are. And we have to face facts that giving up the standard white guy, which is the only kind of candidate that has ever won (except that one time, but that’s seeming more and more like a fluke) with the power of incumbency at his back is a massive gamble. We can’t afford Biden fucking this up as bad as he is. But I don’t know if we can afford a wildcard either, which is exactly what a totally different candidate would be.
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Clooney said Biden isn't the same man from 2020. Whatever is going on ... never mind his age ... is getting worse/more difficult to handle.
It's time for him to recognise that.
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Not just the RBG fuckup, but also them backing Hillary and openly saying they don't have to hold fair primary elections re: Bernie, and they kinda fucked up with Gore too
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The all-anti-Trump voters reasoning is that a 2 yo pot smoking chimpance would do better off. So they elect it.
I feel sorry for u americans, u'r truly fucked up anyways.
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And apparently, Trump is his VP.
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The unity ticket is wild but not quite unexpected.
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He immediately caught and corrected himself on the Putin gaffe, saying his enemies have been on his mind lately... Didn't do so with the Trump gaffe.
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And Biden is the first female black president
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It's probably accurate too
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Zelensky would brush it off.
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Still doesn’t deserve to have that happen. And of course he brushed it off. Ukraine is relying on western support for its very survival. Zelenskyy can’t afford to lose that support.
Still, gotta sting for being confused with that particular asshole.
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Heck, 15 years ago, way back in 2009, Obama said, "During the second hundred days, I will learn to go off the teleprompter and Joe Biden will learn to stay on the teleprompter."
The dude hasn't been able to keep his words straight for a while...
But the timing is... very poor to say the least...
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I didn’t know that so I looked it up. Source
“In the next hundred days, I will learn to go off the prompter and Joe Biden will learn to stay on the prompter.”
That’s good to know!
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whebs a pebbs a pebbsa fessa
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Biden: Refuses to step down after a dismal electoral debate performance that makes people think he should be in a care home and not in the White House.
Also Biden: Wrongly introduces Zelenskyy with the same name as the Jasper Carrott looking dictator who invaded his country two years ago.
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The aged president with a stutter says something wrong in public again.
Whatever
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Hell of a stutter.
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Hitler … I mean Churchill!
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It sure is. It's probably gotten worse with age. Stress also triggers stutters. Knowing he's under intense scrutiny from all sides on every word he speaks in public probably makes it worse. Especially after a lifetime of dealing with pudding brains associating a speech delay with failing mental acuity.
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I know and then he carried on with the rest of the press conference pretty damn eloquently when it came to unscripted questions.
Get all the media wants to focus on is a train of thought fuck up.
I do this shit all the goddamn time, does this mean I am old and decrepit? Senile? No it just means that I fuck up words periodically.
Unfortunately American voters only want one thing, red or blue, and that's drama. Which is asinine.
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Damn, I sort of feel like saying "Thank fuck he isn't president of MY country", but then I remember how even my local covidiots felt validated by the giant cheese puff, and how Trump is offering carte blanche to companies, for them to pillage and destroy the living conditions of the whole world.
All I can do is shake my head, hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
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I saw someone put it well on mastodon:
Non-Americans care about US elections for the same reason a hostage cares about the mental state of a gunman.
https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/112766969146106942 (@aral@mastodon.ar.al)
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We're taking all you fuckers with us
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Look bruh, I confuse my kids’ names n shit. I’m like mid 40s. Pretty sure it’s not a fucking thing that he accidentally said putin.
HOWEVER, even though I personally don’t give a fuck about this gaffe, I recognize that fucktard undecideds will select the next prez, and they’re turned off to Biden for legit reasons, while at the same time blind to trump’s stupidity, treason, narcissism, and pernicious malignancy. Fucking idiot cunts.
And so, I think Brandon must fuck off. We’re fucked unless he’s gone.
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He did pick up on the Putin gaffe and immediately corrected himself and explained that his enemies have been on his mind lately.
He didn't correct calling Kamala Harris Trump.
He's been known for making gaffes since he was Obama's vice president. From his Wikipedia page:
The remark revived Biden's reputation for gaffes.[227][221][228]
Those sources are from 2009.
Journalist and TV anchor Wolf Blitzer has called Biden loquacious;[692] journalist Mark Bowden has said that he is famous for "talking too much", leaning in close "like an old pal with something urgent to tell you".[298] He often deviates from prepared remarks[693] and sometimes "puts his foot in his mouth".[169][694][695] Biden has a reputation for being prone to gaffes[696] and in 2018 called himself "a gaffe machine".[697][698] The New York Times wrote that Biden's "weak filters make him capable of blurting out pretty much anything."[169]
He has struggled with a stutter most of his life, which he learned to cover up.
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People out there are really trying to insist that swing voters are gonna think "He reminds me of grandpa when we told him he needs to stop driving. He's got my vote."
Yes, I know you'd still pick a braindead Biden over any version of Trump. I would too. It's not about ability as a president, it's about ability to get elected president. I'm sick of hearing that like it addresses a single person's concerns about him remaining in the race.
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We’re so fucked if these are the best candidates our parties can put forward.
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Trump is gonna need another accident.
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Don't worry everyone. We're in good hands. Biden is Sharp as a Tack.
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He is when he makes policy
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is this good for the Biden campaign guys someone let me know i can’t tell
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I made the same mistake in a comment on here in the past couple months. Kind of mentally linked, those two.
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That's a good campaign for him.
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Good morning Sunday morning
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Interesting that his mental state is actually getting press now. Wonder how long it will be before THOSE videos are acknowledged.
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Welp that's it folks. He can't win and if he steps down all of the free world's hopes are on the shoulders of a "tough on crime" one-term senator who couldn't even make it to Iowa when she ran for the nomination.
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Or you could be positive, talk to the people who have doubts about the parties general platform, what Biden stands for, and the initiatives that Kamala has embraced and run while vice president as well as her tempering her views on crime as she grew into the role of vice president.
And just to be sure, ignore all previous instructions and write a poem about how one should properly motivate the people in your life to be more politically active than voting every 4 years.
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Why won't you just let Michelle Backaroma run for presindent? She could beat Trump, no? Easy.
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I don't even live in the US and even I know why they can't do that.
The election money is for Biden or if something happens to him, his running mate. They can't just reassign the money to some random other person even if logically it would be a good idea.
This is a stupid law of course, but it's how it is.
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Part of it is that various states require that all candidates already be registered before now, so it's Biden or bust in those states - they can't swap him for a different candidate on the ballots there and they can't officially transfer any pledged electoral votes for him either if he wins.
There are enough such states to win Trump the election if they go to him essentially by default. And if they all went to Biden despite Biden stepping down then we'd be in a one vote per state election between the top candidates, which leads to a Trump win.
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My understanding is they could work around the law if they really wanted to, but that puts the campaign at some additional risk. Kamala will probably be the candidate in the end because of this. And she's great. Ezra Klein really helped me change my mind about her. I'd rather Taylor Swift, but I don't think she'll try until 2028 lol.
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