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Biden admin calls transgender athletes in school sports "complicated"

www.newsweek.com Biden admin calls transgender athletes in school sports "complicated"

"It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said on Tuesday.

"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Jean-Pierre said. "There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated. There is a rule that the Department of Education [DOE] has put forward, and we're going to let that process move forward, and again, we want to make sure that while we establish guardrails with this rule, we also prevent discrimination, as well, against transgender kids. But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that."

"Absolutely no reason for the Biden admin to do this," New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrote. "It is indefensible and embarrassing. The admin can still walk this back, and they should. It's a disgrace."

"Honestly, this move by Biden to push a rule on trans kids in sports is not only a backwards betrayal, it [forces] us to have to spend our time dealing with god d*** sports instead of criminal bans on our healthcare," Alejandra Caraballo, a civil rights attorney and LGBTQ+ advocate, wrote. "He could have just done nothing. This is legitimizing transphobia."

The mOsT PrOgReSsIvE Administration in History™

"A complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that"

Fuck off out of here with that "centrist" nonsense. There's nothing complicated about it, and it's not an issue unless you want to turn it into one and want to appeal to people's emotions like Republicans are doing. It was only a matter of time before they'd start throwing trans people under the bus. I guess with the coming elections it's as good a time as ever.

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Just in case anyone from other instances are stopping by, this is how liberal democracy leads to fascism. You have a right wing party that wants to criminalize being trans while tacitly supporting physical violence and extermination. The only viable opposition party can't even use decisive language about the validity and existence of trans people among cis people. Because it might hurt their polling.
Now the strongest, political position from the "left" is "it's complicated." So when the right starts being very clear about violence and carrying it out through official state entities, the new left position will be even more to the right. Because they already gave up on "Trans people should participate in the things cis people do." So it's not even about trans people living a normal life. Historically, by the time we get there, it doesn't matter what the left position is anymore. Because the right has taken over and are putting people in camps.
This is why it's so very annoying to hear about harm reduction and voting the lesser evil. That's not how it works. One hand washes the other. The lesser evil just leads to greater evil getting strong anyways. It doesn't stop it or bide you time. The only lesser evil is violent revolution, which is only evil if you don't understand what's at stake here.
- I'm one of those people from other instances stopping by that hasn't thought a lot about this issue.
  It's a shame that US politics seems to be so boolean. As in, the only acceptable position for a political party is the polar opposite of their opposition.
  What if an issue is genuinely complicated and cannot be resolved by a three word statement of position? Can there be no discussion around that?
  
  What if an issue is genuinely complicated and cannot be resolved by a three word statement of position? Can there be no discussion around that?
  That's fine if it's an issue that is worthy of debate.
  We're talking here specifically about the rights and survival of human beings, and in that kind of case, no. There is no room for debate. There is no complexity. You either support people's right to live, or you don't. There fundamentally cannot be a grey area here; any response that includes the words "yes, but" automatically cedes ground to fascists.
  
  We've discussed and solved it a hundred times already, and the solution is the same every time.
  
  If you haven't thought a lot about this issue, then you may not be aware that the issue is nothing but complete transphobia. It is not "complicated" the science is actually very clear and the only reason to be against trans people in sports is bigotry and claiming its "complicated" is supporting that bigotry
  
  It's not complicated because the issue is complicated. It's complicated because the spokesperson for the leader of the Democratic party has to be careful with what she says. It's complicated because saying yes pisses of the alleged moderate majority who disagree with saying yes. It's complicated because saying no pisses off the progressive and shits on the pro LGBTQIA+ image of the party. You can't strip away the politics of the situation or do a thought experiment where cows are spheres and there's no friction. The situation and answer can only be understood in the actual context within which it exists, along with the historical moment and broader context.
  It is not complicated because letting trans teens play on the same team as cis teens is a deeply complicated issue that cannot be resolved with a slogan.
  And I just explained that it's not boolean. It's not 1 and 0, it's just 0. And the minute someone tries to suggest 1 instead, the people more concerned that people might have the wrong opinions about complexity show up. We're trying to make the discussion more nuanced and complicated, it's the moderates and adults in the room stopping us.
  
  What if an issue is genuinely complicated
  This one isn't complicated, liberal. Anybody who demands inspecting the genitals of highschool girls because his daughter's team lost an amateur soccer match (which is what this boils down to and what is already happening out there) is a pervert who needs to be hunted down with the full force of the law. Trans women in sports are not a competive issue anywhere. There is not a single sport were we are a relevant force, and in fact our presence is not an issue at all anywhere unless we're talking absolute edge cases like medically untransitioned trans women in full contact martial arts, which do not even apply in this case because we are talking motherfucking school sports. You do not base political discourse on edge cases not even relevant to the topic in question when the reasoning they're brought up in the first place is a full-fledged plan for our outright genocide. Wake up and smell the Zyklon B, liberal. This is what has been going on this year, a concerted, nationwide effort to eradicate us starting with gender affirming care for minors and sports bans that is backed by the entire Republikan party and a gigantic propaganda budget that has made my people public enemy number one for the most fanaticised part of the base of your country's fascist party.
  TheUSA has already been consistently among the nations with the most transphobic murders worldwide for years. Florida and Texas are at the point where they are openly making lists of my siblings. If you still think this is complicated, you can walk into a buzzsaw for all i care.

Kids can be up to a year older than their classmates due to the way kindergarten start date cutoffs work. These kids who arbitrarily end up older tend to outperform their peers, because a 7.9 year old is stronger and faster than a 7 year old. This is a real difference - the NHL did a study on this and found that their players disproportionately have early-year birthdays due to how this effect lines up with hockey camps.
Do you care? Of course not, nobody cares about the competitive fairness of kids' sports, the point is just to get them to exercise and have a hobby. We can verify that nobody takes this seriously by looking at high school sports, where suddenly a four year age gap is acceptable.
Okay, so why does this suddenly matter when it's what team a trans kid should be on?

Trans people matter, sports don't.
- Americans lose their minds if you put peoples lives over their treats
- What stands out to me is that the people worrying the most about trans people in womens' sports are the same ones who were making fun of womens' sports specifically right up until they realized they could use it to attack trans people.
- Exercise can be good for your health, but sports its literally just a game at the end of the day.

I remember reading that when Utah did their ban on trans athletes in school sports, there was exactly one trans girl playing in a girls' sport in the whole state. Exactly one. Statewide legislature passing laws focused on one person, a child.
All this scrutiny and transphobia is directed at literal children, many of whom might be the only trans athlete out of millions. Transphobia is such a disgusting thing to me, not only because of the chauvinism and bigotry, but because it's just so senseless. Trans people are already rare enough as it is and also one of the most vulnerable populations in regards to poverty, assault, unemployment, etc. I've seen some statistics saying that only around 1,000 people in America initiate HRT per year. That should give an idea of just how rare and vulnerable trans people are. And now there's a senseless cultural panic just to whip up a few more eyeballs on the spectacle?
Death to America
- I've seen some statistics saying that only around 1,000 people in America initiate HRT per year.
  Can I get a source on that? Can't find one myself but I live in the gay city so it might just seem like more
  
  Found a summary of a 2015 John Hopkins study.
  Estimates vary widely but it is believed that between 3,000 and 9,000 Americans undergo sex reassignment surgery each year. Transition medical care can include hormone replacement therapy, mastectomy, plastic surgery, psychotherapy and more.
  It doesn't seem like there's a good central source on numbers like this. John Hopkins is a respected medical institution and even they're saying "estimates vary widely" and "It's believed." I think part of it is this isn't recorded in census data and perhaps most trans people who get HRT or GRS are kinda private about it? No idea, but it's still so absurd to me that reactionaries have decided trans people are their mortal enemy now. Trans people are incredibly rare and they're much poorer and more vulnerable than cis people.

Gotta love all the liberals coming in here telling us why it's "complicated", while pointing out they support trans right. No, you don't support trans rights. Because if you did, you wouldn't undermine those rights by parroting the same talking points as conservatives; talking points that are based on willfully ignoring facts, and even the lack of evidence that this is an issue that exists in the first place. It also gets tiring seeing those same people act like they know how trans people's bodies work, and not even acknowledge the fact that trans people go through biological changes if they can get gender affirming care, and are very comparable to their cis counterparts. The medical science on it is right there, and trans people's own experiences are living proof as well. But it's easier forming bullshit "opinions" instead, especially if you have a certain agenda (conservatives), or just don't care about said minority as much as you think you do.
- Punch a fascist, and a liberal gives you a lecture on civility and violence, while downplaying civilian casualties of US drone strikes.
- Every asterisk is a failure

It's really not complicated. If trans people are the athletic super soldiers they're made out to be we need to encourage them to compete in sports to make them less of a snooze-fest.
- if we were supersoldiers we would have killed our masters already
- Trans people are apparently like the speedster from incredibles where they have super speed but pretends to not have it apparently.

adding this to the long list of reasons im not voting for biden again when libs ask. my go-to is always “that fucker still owes me $600!”
- Joe Biden owes me $600 and I don't even fuckin live there
- So, you think voting for a Republican or not voting is going to get the job done?
  
  oh my god THE WORLD ISN'T REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT
  THEY'RE BOTH STUPID FUCKS THAT ARE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME FASCIST COIN
  
  no, democrats have demonstrated repeatedly that they are unwilling to do anything. you would be a fool to vote for them over and over again after seeing their incompetence and unwillingness to even slightly push back against the reactionary policies being enacted under biden
  
  So you think that rewarding the Democrats for having the only standard be "Our senile, racist, rapist, corrupt, reactionary war criminal doesn't have an orange spray tan" is going to "get the job done"? Or just the entire party being the polite, norms-respecting Republicans.
  
  Since I was eighteen, I have voted for a third party even when its chances were hopeless, if the main parties were unsatisfactory; or, in absence of a third choice, voted for the lesser of two evils.
  I could vote, but the election in which I could vote was a farce.
  I shall not go to the polls. I have not registered. I believe that democracy has so far disappeared in the United States that no “two evils” exist. There is but one evil party with two names, and it will be elected despite all I can do or say.
  This Administration is dominated and directed by wealth and for the accumulation of wealth. Corporate wealth profits as never before in history. We turn over the national resources to private profit and have few funds left for education, health or housing. We let men take wealth which is not theirs; if the seizure is “legal” we call it high profits and the profiteers help decide what is legal. If the theft is “illegal” the thief can fight it out in court, with excellent chances to win if he receives the accolade of the right newspapers.
  Gambling on the stock market is increasing and all prices are rising. It costs three times his salary to elect a Senator and many millions to elect a President. This money comes from the very corporations which today are the government. This in a real democracy would be enough to turn the party responsible out of power. Yet this we cannot do.
  I have no advice for others in this election. Are you voting Democratic? Well and good; all I ask is why? Are you voting for Biden and his smooth team of bright ghost writers? Again, why? Will your helpless vote either way support or restore democracy to America?
  Is the refusal to vote in this phony election a counsel of despair? No, it is dogged hope. It is hope that if millions of voters refrain from voting in 2024 because of their own accord and not because of a sly wink from Putin, this might make the American people ask how much longer this dumb farce can proceed without even a whimper of protest. Yet if we protest, off the nation goes to Russia and China.
  Fifty-five American philanthropists are asking China “to face manfully the doubts and promptings of their conscience.” Can not these do-gooders face their own consciences? Can they not see that American culture is rotting away: our honesty, our human sympathy; our literature, save what we import from abroad? Our manners are gone and the one thing we want is to be rich–to show off. Success is measured by income.
  University education is for income, not culture, and is partially supported by private industry. We are not training poets or musicians, but engineers. Business is built on successful lying called advertising. We want money in vast amount, no matter how we get it. So we have it, and what then?
  Is the answer the election of 2024? We can make a sick man President and set him to a job which would strain a man in robust health. So he dies, and what do we get to lead us? We remain in the same mess. I will be no party to it and that will make little difference. You will take large part and bravely march to the polls, and that also will make no difference.
  Stop running Russia and giving Chinese advice when we cannot rule ourselves decently. Stop yelling about a democracy we do not have. Democracy is dead in the United States. Yet there is still nothing to replace real democracy. Drop the chains, then, that bind our brains. Drive the money-changers from the seats of the Cabinet and the halls of Congress. Call back some faint spirit of Jefferson and Lincoln, and when again we can hold a fair election on real issues, let’s vote, and not till then. Is this impossible? Then democracy in America is impossible.
  
  Voting for Democrats means you are actually voting for Republicans because Democrats do whatever Republicans want, serve the same class, and are themselves Republicans. So not voting is actually harm reduction. Voting just helps Republicans.
  
  What is the job that needs to get done?
  
  yes, if the democrats won't earn our votes, we'll withhold them. it's not like a democrat in office meaningfully slows down the pace of fascism.

But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that.
You don't have to though.
- In fact there should be no respect for the views of bigots

Okay, so democrats may not be harm reduction, but they'll... checks notes ...look the other way as others cause harm?
- Ah the abortion playbook
- Big serious think piece in which I deride the left for being immature and unrealistic for demanding the government does harm reduction. Trying to dampen the worst atrocities even a little sounds nice if you're young and naive but the serious adults in the room knows that it will simply never be electable.

Oh nice this is on /all/ now. I'd just like to say that anyone that supports democrats after this deserves to be hit by a truck. That is all.
Eat shit, I genuinely hope physical harm comes to you.
On a tangential note, arm lgbt people.
- I'd prefer a nuclear submarine because i'm a sub with nuclear takes.
- In a better world, the right-wing position is to give every LGBT+ person an assault rifle. The centrist position is to give every LGBT+ person a bazooka. The left-wing position is to give every LGBT+ person a railgun. The communist position is to give every LGBT+ person a heavily-armed 30 foot tall mech.
- some lemm.ee lib reported this for “advocating violence” lol. theres a couple references to accidental physical harm and self defense, but no advocacy for illicit, intentional violence!
  
  The violence being perpetrated against trans people by liberals happened first. I have dead friends because of these fucks.
  Fighting back is self defence. They advocated for institutional violence first. What do you think rules and laws are when they're targeted against the marginalised? If any of us break them do you think the system asks us nicely not to? No. It commits violence. That's not even considering the amount of trans people that actively kill themselves over the day to day hellscape liberals have created for the marginalised, but most particularly for trans people.
  Eat shit libs. All you care about is brunch and treats while everyone beneath you gets fucking crushed.

It is a complicated issue tho. Some transphobes deserve re-education camps, while others need to get the wall.
- It's even more complicated than that -- some others need to get the
  , while even more of them need to get the
- Some transphobes deserve re-education camp
  Are there really tho ?
  
  Being turned into compost for a community
  garden is technically re-education
  
  When it comes to killing your transphobic relatives, I'm pro choice

- "fast release power vs endurance" sounds like a rebrand of the "fast twitch muscles" bs
- bigots delenda est

In
speak calling something "complicated" is just an excuse to take the reactionary position

Give them no quarter, hexbears and lemmygrads

The issue of whether or not Joe Biden should be beaten to death with a rusty shovel is 'complicated'
There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated - maybe he should just be shot, or have an anvil dropped on his head instead
- Personally I advocate he be thrown in the
- no more half measures walter

Clearly we need to ban all sports until we can figure out and resolve what the fuck is wrong with Americans.
- What if we need to ban all Amerikans until we know what the fuck is wrong with sports?
  
  This also works
- I unironically think blanket bans on sport might be interesting, mostly because I want to see how
  types might react to seeing something so fundamental to their lives and character yanked out from beneath their feet. Chicago vs. NY? Philidelphia vs. LA? Spain vs. UK? Brazil vs. Poland? Go get a life, dog
  
  They freaked out at the prospect of no sportsball for like 2 weeks back in 2020.

"A lot of people think." , says Biden admin after kidnapping hundreds of kids, sending them to work factory farms

I GrumpigPoopBalls am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood

“Harm reduction”
- 'Harm Reduction' is just libspeak for when they give ground to fascists. I hate the insidious nature of how the liberals disguise their bigotry.
  quote about liberals being lying foxes
  
  Unfortunately I got some harm reduction bs from a fellow Hexbear not too long ago. Saying I have "Biden Derangement Syndrome" because I said
  ing for "harm reduction" is some :LIB: shit

- get em! Get em!

It’s not complicated. The Biden administration wants the support of both those who see trans people as deserving the same rights as cis people and those who would like to see trans people excluded from society.
What is complicated is that the Biden administration wants the support not of me or you if we fall into one of those groups, but the support of both the national and regional bourgeoisie who do so.
- I recently saw H&M clothing describe me as “divided.” I feel like Biden needs their brand manager, because me and my daughter just stood in the mall trying understand what that meant.

Besides what everyone else is saying in defense of trans rights which are human rights, I want to add a tangential point. I wouldn't ever want my elected representative to think an issue is complicated. I sent you to the executive branch to exercise power on my behalf. Not to exercise fairness, not to exercise @Civility@hexbear.net . No, motherfucker, we WON, fucking act like it. I don't need the issue explained to me, you're not a salesman. You don't propose shit; I do. If you're the one for the job, I vote for you. You are my public servant. I don't know what drivel they taught you for that bullshit law degree, but it's clouded you to the reality that your will, desire, and vision for the country as an elected official is secondary to mine. The issue is not complicated as far as you're concerned; we'll tell you what the answer is.

As a trans person, fuck sports, fuck the biden admin, I'm so fucking sick of this shit

I get soft on liberals, then I see them defend shit like this
America needs to be bombed to ash, and then occupied for a thousand years until no one even remembers it.
- A wise man once said: "Don't trust the liberals, they will betray you."
- At the very least we need a century of humiliation

yeah, it's a complicated issue when you're implementing mandatory penis inspections. very simple non-issue if you don't do mandatory penis inspections. even more of a non-issue if sports scholarships were completely unnecessary for obtaining an affordable education

"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Jean-Pierre said
"China is a big country, inhabited by many Chinese" -Charles de Gaulle

can you wait to have rights? The Most Important Election Of Our Lifetime™️is coming up and we can’t afford to lose the transphobes

Can we get that one trans liberal who was constantly saying shit about how great the democrats are for our trans rights?
- I thought of them immediately when i saw this lol!
  
  I don't think the civil rights stronghold of checks notes Democrat Massachusetts is going to last for very long

This sports transphobia is mostly directed at trans girls/femme/women, right?
Are they doing this shit to AFAB people in men's sports?
Regardless all this discourse is wrapped up in misogyny too, implying that people AFAB are always going to be worse at sports.
And it doesn't take into account the general unfairness in sports. Some people are born into wealthy families who can afford to feed their kids, get them healthcare, and train them into sports.
It's all the talking points about affirmative action, just in a different font.
- Are they doing this shit to AFAB people in men's sports?
  chess is lmao
  
  Proving how big their brains actually are, they do transphobia to all trans people.
  
  Oh right. I keep forgetting how many brainworms are active at once
  
  all these hot big tiddy trans women keep distracting me and making me lose my chess game!
  
  Lenin was a revisionist for being an avid chess player and thus a gmer.
- yes. You will notice though that the primary direction of transphobic rhetoric is aimed at trans women and not trans men. this is a result of misogyny at its core. this is part of the phenomenon of transmisogyny, the intersection of misogyny and transphobia
  
  It is also about patriarchy in that it is seen as a problem for a man to give up his patriarchal benefits, while it is seen as a virtue for women to seek patriarchal benefits. Same reason that gay men always suffered more gay hate than lesbians, the appearance of taking on the "feminine" role is viewed as a threat to patriarchy.
  
  I would post more but I am exhausted lol
- Yes, trans men are being forced to compete against women against their will. They never cared about fairness, it's entirely about hurting trans people.
  
  Yeah max beggs in Texas. Trans guy wrestler who absolutely dominated because transphobic Texas politicians made him compete vs women.
- The brain understands that they are not the same, and unfortunately never will be.
  There it is lol. thanks for nothing, bitch
  an ideal world is one where all the fascists and capitalists are laid out in a nice little line and mowed down with .50 cal's
  
  "Period, end of story."
  "That being said..."
  You support trans people. BUT... is not support of trans people. Its not complicated. The science is not complicated, its settled and theres no difference.
  If you support trans peole stop at "end of story."
  Edit: i reread your post and its even worse than i thought at first glance. You're just an outright bigot in denial.
  
  Women's figure skating was created because Madge Syers was too good and the men felt threatened.
  
  It's not complicated whatsoever.
  A transwoman is a woman, regardless of where they are in transition. They don't have to transition AT ALL for that to be true.
  They are a woman with a condition - being trans.
  A trans man is a man, regardless of where they are in transition. They don't have to transition AT ALL for that to be true.
  They are a man with a condition - being trans.
  The only "complicated" thing in this is your bigoted mindset. You believe that these people are not what they say they are until they undergo and complete transition. You see them as their gender assigned at birth, which is incorrect, and you see them as "changing" their gender by undergoing invasive hormone treatment and surgery. This is a completely bigoted transphobic mindset and you need to rid yourself of these brainworms.
  
  There is no easy, fix all answer. It does not exist. You are left with a minority vs a majority. In an ideal world, yes, the answer would be easy and done with. We do not live in an ideal world.
  There an "easy fix." There is an "easy answer" and you know exactly what that is the same way that ghoul does. The reason we don't live in an "ideal world" is because people like you advocate for throwing minorities under the bus the moment our existence becomes even slightly inconvenient for you.
  
  when there is an @ after the username, you can be assured the chance of being a shit opinion is high
  
  Unless you believe that people will change their genders expressly for an advantage in sports, the differences aren't salient. And you shouldn't believe that.

Wow! I love having my continued existence being labelled “complicated” by people in high elected offices.

Because? Are we pretending every trans athlete is Lebron James now
- Lol I also know where this argument is going
  So when do we start testing the levels of all athletes? When do we start banning physically taller people as well? That’s the only way to ensure the fairness you’re concern trolling about, right?
  
  They have been banning cis women from female athletics as well because they were deemed not womanly enough. So it isn't exactly new.
  
  They did that previously maybe in the 80s? Idk but they stopped because a lot of "cis" people found out they weren't...

- they already gassed up the bus, thats what the Iraqi oil was for
  
  They're about to put the key in the ignition

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
-cucks

I genuinely feel like this is such a non issue that even if I was completely wrong and science was a lie and trans women did have some kind of advantage over cis women in sports, it still wouldn't fucking matter because there are roughly six trans women playing sports at a high level. Manufactured outrage go brrrr.
- ik so many trans women are shut in nerds (myself included, i pretty much only go outside to go to the lgbt center and avoid other situations at all cost)
- This is a real genuine question. Can you link me to some peer reviewed studies from a reputable source? I can't find any that say trans women have zero advantage over cis women in physical sports.
  
  https://www.cces.ca/sites/default/files/content/docs/pdf/transgenderwomenathletesandelitesport-ascientificreview-e-final.pdf As far as I know there is no real indicator of advantage, but it isn't the most researched subject of all time. Personally I think the lack of Trans women winning anything outside of like one swimmer once is pretty good evidence.
  
  Also see Mia Mulder's YouTube video on the subject
- Okay so like 8 people

no more half measures walter

Every single democrat and anyone that continues supporting them deserves to be hit by a car.
- unironically would make the world a better place by leagues
  a gun for the republicans next and then we're in a sane country

we may have to start making excuses for the lack of terror

Look at all the harm being reduced.
Look at how this was and will be the most important election of our lives

Clearly trans people are only good enough to get your rocks off to and then be discarded. But tell me again why I need to vote for
and how they're really any different from
?

But Muh “harm reduction” candidate

And Hillary Clinton says the Democrats focus too much on trans issues. Still have no idea what the hell she's talking about. Have heard more about gay marriage than anything explicitly trans.

In what others have described as a total shutdown of the Biden regime's statement, a user on Lemmy has replied, "it is not complicated." Other members said the response was "based" and that Biden was "owned by facts and logic." When reached for comment, President Joe Biden said "What? Hey man I'll--" and was interrupted by falling into his own toilet.

Give blockers to all the kids so they have equal playing field

They just need to combined all sports and make them genderless. In cases like boxing just go by weight class, since they do that for men and women's leagues anyways.
- I think genderless sports by weight class is the ideal but the problem with genderless sports is general sexism. Like the main group who want keep chess of all things segregated by gender are the women, because male chess players are insufferable to women. All of these are solvable problems though.
- Trans people in sports isnt complicated. Let them compete in whatever league or category they want and identify as. Thats perfectly duable right now in the current sports scene. No gender segregation in sports altogether is very complicated and would need a serious advance into a socialist society and population cultural mindset for it to be able to be implemented without hurting most the existing hundreds of millions of women athletes at all levels imo.
  Under a socialist system of mostly amateur,well founded sports scene and the equivalent education i agree thats the ideal. In our current system i feel the realities of founding and way the sports ,especially competitive sports, are structured and approached would have a vast majority of female athletes understandably not wanting genderless sports league and any suggestion or movement towards that policy before or without prioratizing complete reform of how sports and sports leagues are structured wont go anywhere.
  Why would women track and field athletes want genderless sports rn if that would 100% translate to them constantly losing and being left out of competitions, losing sports scholarships let alone financialy supporting themselves and having little chance of proffessional career or any international or national success. Even if they got payed all the same, there still a want and need for athletes to compete and have a chance to win on some level of the sport against their peers. So even in the amateur scene. If the best performing woman in t&f can only hope for in any competition, be it town,city, college, state or national , to with the 20th best time or throw or jump with everyone ahead of them being men then they wouldnt take that deal and even more so the others.
  Same with team sports. At any level the team will be looking to win and will chose the players that will make that more likely. So you will end up with segregated leagues any way where even in amateur leagues 98% of the rosters are male. A solution would be to enforse a quota that every team must have X woman players on the team and they must play at minimum Y minutes but that would still lead to huge issues and idk if again the women athletes would want that
- testosterone dramatically affects more than just muscle volume
  Yet we do not see any post-transition trans woman in any sport wiping the floor with her competition that did not go through a testosterone puberty. That doesn't bother any transphobe who has a say in pro sports, tho, in swimming competitions we now have the situation that cis women who've cheated by taking testosterone throughout their youth get a 2-4 year ban while trans women who had the wrong puberty forced on them get permanent bans from all competitions they'd stand a chance in.
  tl;dr: you're a transphobic gender essentialist idiot who doesn't understand basic biology or how transitioning works and systematically ignores all empiric evidence that shows you're full of shit, go fuck yourself

- Ironically cracker island doesn't have anything like this. I suspect that's mainly because school sports aren't professionalised as for-profit enterprises like the horror show in america though and would exist if that were the case.

"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views… There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated.”
I read this in Stephen Merchant’s voice